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[humes spork]

Sierra163 wrote...

Bakara also said that at first she dug in the wrong direction, but doing so gave he the means to survive. And didn't she give the chisel to Shep'? Maybe s/he uses it to help get out of the rubble at the end?

Well if you really want to get into it...

Shepard gets hit with the Reaper beam. Then she gets up and walks into the light of the Conduit, symbolising crossing the threshold between life and death. Then she enters a dark, long hall of dead and mangled bodies, representing Purgatory or more appropriately Limbo (a place where those who died in Original Sin but without being condemned to Hell), or even Sheol (considering the Keeper could be considered nephaim). She crosses a dark, long chasm representing the threshold between Limbo and Hell to confront the Illusive Man (Satan).

She defeats TIM, but pays a toll of blood (Anderson) and ascends to Heaven. But due to her own sins, she cannot remain -- she is tainted and condemned by her past sins. She confronts a child (a cherubim, who are in Jewish mysticism guardians of Paradise, and associated with children) who explains the situation to her and why she cannot remain and must make a choice. So, she sacrifices herself for the good of the galaxy, becoming a messianic figure. Oh, and by the way in that same Jewish mysticism, the soul communicates sins to the cherubim in your sleep, through dreams.

I'm pretty sure there's not a single thing in that entire sequence that isn't symbolic in some way.

Modifié par humes spork, 12 mars 2012 - 01:29 .

[Optimus J]

kyrieee wrote...

Big question:
If Shepard is fighting indoctrination, then obviously Harbinger knows that Shepard is alive. Why not just fire the laser again and finish the job, instead of risking Shepard breaking free?

Because even if Sheppy breaks free, the effects of forced indoctrination will render him a vegetable in hours. And if he doesn't break free they will have a huge propaganda weapon against troops morale for some hours.

What bothers me the most on this theory is that ME3 HAVEN'T AN END if it's hallucinations. Harbinger sieges the beam and the Citadel/True-Catalyst doesn't have its arms open, and the Crucible still stationary in another relay.
Meanwhile the battle rips apart the fleets and troops.

And EARTH WASN'T RETAKEN.

[ArbitorEAAcc]

BigBossBoo wrote...

 I keep hearing about this 1m1 ship theory, but I can not find anything about what 1m1 is.  Can someone elaborate for me?

The only issue I see with that is upon closer inspection of the model that makes up that prop it was clear that art development just made 1/2 the model and mirrored it. That would lead to the reversed 1m1 on the odd side. I do believe that it had to be a dream. I mean in me2 they went and spaced him they already used the rehash card on Tim's confrontation. It would be cool that there was some connect the dots thing.

I want to know what bioware is tracking in terms if mass effect 3 that could give us clues as to what is important to them.

[k8ee]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Wait, there was this. Someone sent this thread to Mass Effect's twitter. And this was the response:

http://twitter.com/#...880979274960897

PLEASE GOD

[Invisibilly]

littleork wrote...

Gam3Ov3r wrote...

 Whats all this about joker dialogue? Anyone have a link?

http://social.biowar...index/9787569/4

There you go

Thanks

[littleork]

Optimus J wrote...

kyrieee wrote...

Big question:
If Shepard is fighting indoctrination, then obviously Harbinger knows that Shepard is alive. Why not just fire the laser again and finish the job, instead of risking Shepard breaking free?

Because even if Sheppy breaks free, the effects of forced indoctrination will render him a vegetable in hours. And if he doesn't break free they will have a huge propaganda weapon against troops morale for some hours.

What bothers me the most on this theory is that ME3 HAVEN'T AN END if it's hallucinations. Harbinger sieges the beam and the Citadel/True-Catalyst doesn't have its arms open, and the Crucible still stationary in another relay.
Meanwhile the battle rips apart the fleets and troops.

And EARTH WASN'T RETAKEN.

Im sorry but why do people think that hallucination ending ends with you waking up? it could be the beginning of the end, after you wake up, the game continues and you get the real b oss fight and retake Earth, some ending we had would still exist in my opinion, some of them will be continued, all depends of how you played the game and your resolve.

[Jackalope]

By the way, did anyone turn around after Harbinger knocks you out?

That is not London.

I mean, there are bodies, and tanks, and rubble, but that tree right behind you is straight out of the dream scenes. I actually spent so long staring at it that Shepard fell over and died. Whoops.

[Bigdoser]

kyrieee wrote...

Big question:
If Shepard is fighting indoctrination, then obviously Harbinger knows that Shepard is alive. Why not just fire the laser again and finish the job, instead of risking Shepard breaking free?

Cause harbinger wants shepard I mean look at me2 when harbinger talks he says bring in shepard alive if you can and kill the rest hell the collectors also really wanted shepard's body but thanks to liara they did not get their hands on her/him. Plus in my opinion making your enemy conform to your view and break them to see your way is true defeat in my opinion than just killing them. Knowing harbinger he would do something like that. 

Modifié par Bigdoser, 12 mars 2012 - 01:28 .

[BlackDragonBane]

Kabraxal wrote...

kyrieee wrote...

Big question:
If Shepard is fighting indoctrination, then obviously Harbinger knows that Shepard is alive. Why not just fire the laser again and finish the job, instead of risking Shepard breaking free?

Bigger question:

Why would Harbinger simply fly off adn not make sure no one makes it through?  I mean, he missed both Anderson and Shepard if you are to believe the end is reality and not indoctrination.  Talk about royally screwing up...

This is a guess, but I think Harbinger has developed a sense of hubris after the attack on Earth went so well, despite knowing that the galaxy would be preparing for them. It either assumed Shepard died in the blast or would be picked off by Reaper troops after being wounded so badly.

Harbinger has exhibited strange behavior since ME2 and doesn't seem to think in the same manner and patterns as Sovereign did. Sovereign was very aloof and didn't really give a damn as long as it could accomplish its goal. Harbinger has spent the better part of a year hounding Shepard, taunting him/her when possible, but yet failing at keeping the Commander down for the count.

It's like stepping on a cockroach and seeing it not move, so you walk off, only to return later and find the bugger didn't quite die.

[Hellfire257]

All right, I've followed this long enough for this evening. Try not to post too much while I'm gone! It took way too long to catch up with it all this morning...LOL

[Ecmoose]

Jackalope wrote...

By the way, did anyone turn around after Harbinger knocks you out?

That is not London.

I mean, there are bodies, and tanks, and rubble, but that tree right behind you is straight out of the dream scenes. I actually spent so long staring at it that Shepard fell over and died. Whoops.

Woah really? I need to check this out now. I'd been temped to turn around, but he moves soooooo slow and I don't have all that much patience for slow walkers

[k8ee]

littleork wrote...

Gam3Ov3r wrote...

 Whats all this about joker dialogue? Anyone have a link?

http://social.biowar...index/9787569/4

There you go

That is... so odd

[txgriff]

Jackalope wrote...

By the way, did anyone turn around after Harbinger knocks you out?

That is not London.

I mean, there are bodies, and tanks, and rubble, but that tree right behind you is straight out of the dream scenes. I actually spent so long staring at it that Shepard fell over and died. Whoops.

I'll have to look at this again!!

[GrumpyM00SE]

http://social.biowar...index/9789361/1

[BlackDragonBane]

Jackalope wrote...

By the way, did anyone turn around after Harbinger knocks you out?

That is not London.

I mean, there are bodies, and tanks, and rubble, but that tree right behind you is straight out of the dream scenes. I actually spent so long staring at it that Shepard fell over and died. Whoops.

I did and recall taking a screen shot. The entire scenrey was extremely blurred and there were two dead trees and I don't remember seeing as I was running towards the Conduit. In fact, if you try to look at the background from any direction, it's all blurred past the point of recognition, which isn't normal.

[BigBossBoo]

 Anyone notice that when the kid offers the destroy option, he says "you can destroy us."

Has anyone considered the importance of when the dreams happen during the game?  Could that be a hint to the indoctrination?

Modifié par BigBossBoo, 12 mars 2012 - 02:09 .

[Fledgey]

Alright I've seen questions about why different endings unlock as your EMS goes up but I don't know if anyone answered them. Basically the theory goes that the more time you spend gathering resources the longer the reapers have to get their hold on you, allowing them more freedom of control. If you rush the game the only option open to you is destroy, and that's definitely indicative of something.

[mupp3tz]

littleork wrote...

BigBossBoo wrote...

 I keep hearing about this 1m1 ship theory, but I can not find anything about what 1m1 is.  Can someone elaborate for me?

M=13th letter in alphabet

1+13+1=15, march 15th is asian release of the game,

The 1+13+1 is a bit stretching for my tastes... but,

The most compelling argument I've seen is some guy who said 1M1 is used in optics... and that it means opposite, or something.  Essentially, that the backwards 1M1 is supposed to suggest that things are, well, backwards... that the sequence is the opposite of reality.  Which helps to also explain why saving the Reapers has become a Paragon choice, while destroying them is Renegade.

But then again the ME series hasn't really been big on subliminal messages in the past.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 12 mars 2012 - 01:38 .

[Militarized]

humes spork wrote...

Sierra163 wrote...

Bakara also said that at first she dug in the wrong direction, but doing so gave he the means to survive. And didn't she give the chisel to Shep'? Maybe s/he uses it to help get out of the rubble at the end?

Well if you really want to get into it...

Shepard gets hit with the Reaper beam. Then she gets up and walks into the light of the Conduit, symbolising crossing the threshold between life and death. Then she enters a dark, long hall of dead and mangled bodies, representing Purgatory or more appropriately Limbo (a place where those who died in Original Sin but without being condemned to Hell), or even Sheol (considering the Keeper could be considered nephaim). She crosses a dark, long chasm representing the threshold between Limbo and Hell to confront the Illusive Man (Satan).

She defeats TIM, but pays a toll of blood (Anderson) and ascends to Heaven. But due to her own sins, she cannot remain -- she is tainted and condemned by her past sins. She confronts a child (a cherubim, who are in Jewish mysticism guardians of Paradise, and associated with children) who explains the situation to her and why she cannot remain and must make a choice. So, she sacrifices herself for the good of the galaxy, becoming a messianic figure. Oh, and by the way in that same Jewish mysticism, the soul communicates sins to the cherubim in your sleep, through dreams.

I'm pretty sure there's not a single thing in that entire sequence that isn't symbolic in some way.

Please. Stop. I do not want the endings ruined even more for me with metaphysical crap. 

[Jackalope]

BigBossBoo wrote...

 Anyone notice that when the kid offers the destroy option, he says "you can destroy us."

I remember pressing the trigger butten at the time to get a Renegade interrupt.  Or a Paragon interrupt.  Any interrupt.

[David Bergsma]

Fledgey wrote...

Alright I've seen questions about why different endings unlock as your EMS goes up but I don't know if anyone answered them. Basically the theory goes that the more time you spend gathering resources the longer the reapers have to get their hold on you, allowing them more freedom of control. If you rush the game the only option open to you is destroy, and that's definitely indicative of something.

Plus destroy is the only endind where is possible to see Shepard alive.


Guys, there is something wrong with the ending. You're right, it's obvious now.

[littleork]

Fledgey wrote...

Alright I've seen questions about why different endings unlock as your EMS goes up but I don't know if anyone answered them. Basically the theory goes that the more time you spend gathering resources the longer the reapers have to get their hold on you, allowing them more freedom of control. If you rush the game the only option open to you is destroy, and that's definitely indicative of something.

Nice catch, kinda pushing it from bioware to pretty much say to not do side quests if you want to destroy and a good ending  but its interesting indeed.

[Sharrack]

Fledgey wrote...

Alright I've seen questions about why different endings unlock as your EMS goes up but I don't know if anyone answered them. Basically the theory goes that the more time you spend gathering resources the longer the reapers have to get their hold on you, allowing them more freedom of control. If you rush the game the only option open to you is destroy, and that's definitely indicative of something.

Posted something about it, in essence i think it goes like this: the more assets you have the higher is you moral, willpower and so on. So the endings get better the higher your score and new possibilities get added because the old ones wouldn't work on you anymore.

[DXLelouch15]

quick someone do a rush run without doing any sidequests except the timed ones and legions

[k8ee]

I know I've already said this, but I think it's really telling that the last save you can make (except for on the PC) is the chapter save the games makes for you at the beginning of the 'dream'

There just has to be something to this.