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lex0r11

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DuskRose wrote...

I love the fact we have a thread full of snarky people, who happen to also be insane :)


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:lol:

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schneeland wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

I love the fact we have a thread full of snarky people, who happen to also be insane :)


The big advantage about insanity is that you can always claim that it's just the rest of the world that happens to be insane - while you are actually the only sane person around ;)


I think all people in this thread passed the insanity line about 700 pages ago. :wizard:

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Not sure if anyone seen this post from the consensus theory but entering the Geth VR and the reapers sound exactly the same.

Start at 3:05 until 3:12
Then here starting at 1:45 until 1:56


HOLY F*CK

people need to see this.. it IS the same sound




Similar, but not exactly the same.



well yeah, there's some filter or editing.. but the sound underneath is the same.


It could just be reused sounds and mean nothing, just saying. I wouldn't consider it evidence at all, if IT turns out to be true people looking back can go "Hey, yeah that's what they were doing" but it doesn't mean anything right now.

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schneeland wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

does anyone know when exactly the bioware q&a will be?


16:30 EST, that's 22:30 for us (assuming that you are also from Germany).


thanks. i am. and i obviously live at waldstr. 18. if you wanna visit me, that is.

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LeRavelle wrote...

Not sure if anyone seen this post from the consensus theory but entering the Geth VR and the reapers sound exactly the same.

Start at 3:05 until 3:12
Then here starting at 1:45 until 1:56


Yeah, a pretty good spot... but you know what the answer is don't you.... here it comes:

ASSET REUSE

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LeRavelle wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Not sure if anyone seen this post from the consensus theory but entering the Geth VR and the reapers sound exactly the same.

Start at 3:05 until 3:12
Then here starting at 1:45 until 1:56


HOLY F*CK

people need to see this.. it IS the same sound




Similar, but not exactly the same.



well yeah, there's some filter or editing.. but the sound underneath is the same.


have a look at this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eac8kbjM78w

Listen to the answers from Legion when Shephard asks questions about the VR, and then compare it to the last ME3 scene.




LOL. The consensus theory huh? I like it. Image IPB Link is in my sig if you want MOAR!

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Ah, lex0r, always to the rescue with a motivational.

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N7xELITE wrote...

They may take the endings and destroy them, but they will never take... OUR IMAGINATION


Son and I are watching SB, can't resist.

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Earthborn_Shepard

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Well, of course the sound stuff could just be reused material. I mean, it probably is. But it just fits together so nicely.

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JustAidan wrote...

schneeland wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

I love the fact we have a thread full of snarky people, who happen to also be insane :)


The big advantage about insanity is that you can always claim that it's just the rest of the world that happens to be insane - while you are actually the only sane person around ;)


I think all people in this thread passed the insanity line about 700 pages ago. :wizard:

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Not sure if anyone seen this post from the consensus theory but entering the Geth VR and the reapers sound exactly the same.

Start at 3:05 until 3:12
Then here starting at 1:45 until 1:56


HOLY F*CK

people need to see this.. it IS the same sound




Similar, but not exactly the same.



well yeah, there's some filter or editing.. but the sound underneath is the same.


It could just be reused sounds and mean nothing, just saying. I wouldn't consider it evidence at all, if IT turns out to be true people looking back can go "Hey, yeah that's what they were doing" but it doesn't mean anything right now.


Maybe re-used for the same fucntion? ;)

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This indoctrinated theory is plausible but it really feels like an excuse for people that can't let go of commander Shepard....

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Random Internet Person wrote...

The IT is balony. There are clearly 3 (not very well written) choices in front Commander Shepard. If Shep was indoctrinated, there would only be one choice. I don't buy the arguement that the star-child was misleading Shepard. Manipulation and indoctrination are two different things.

Name me one religious cult that allows followers to do one of 3 things. No, they are indoctrinated and do the same thing over and over.


Indoctrination, like Inception, relies on the subject believing that the ideas came from themselves and not a foreign entity.

Thus indoctrination only works (is believable to the subject) is if there are multiple "decisions/options". If there was only one option, the indoctrination would be more obvious, and thus not work, especially if it is a viewpoint the subject disagrees with. By using these "options" it creates doubt and leads you to a different conclusion in line with the will of the enforcer. Religions/cults can't actively and physically change your thought patterns like indoctrination as presented in game; they have to rely on well-reasoned arguements or otherwise fail.

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Rifneno wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Not sure if anyone seen this post from the consensus theory but entering the Geth VR and the reapers sound exactly the same.

Start at 3:05 until 3:12
Then here starting at 1:45 until 1:56


HOLY F*CK

people need to see this.. it IS the same sound


Wow.  Seriously: WOW.  It's incredibly how after weeks of us looking for pieces of this puzzle, new stuff, major stuff, is still being found.

But yeah, BW didn't have IT planned.  The Nile.  It's not just a river--actually, that doesn't work with text.  ****.  Nevermind.


So you're an anti IT?

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I admit when I posted the comment in my thread about those sounds, I figured it was just asset re-use, I still found it curious just the same. Probably just confirmation bias on my part, LOL.

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Earthborn_Shepard

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Well.. it's getting late here.. or rather early, lol.. enough for today! Earthborn Shepard out.

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waldstr18 wrote...

schneeland wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

does anyone know when exactly the bioware q&a will be?


16:30 EST, that's 22:30 for us (assuming that you are also from Germany).


thanks. i am. and i obviously live at waldstr. 18. if you wanna visit me, that is.


The only Waldstraße I remember is in Karlsruhe. If you happen to live there, have a beer for me at Alter Brauhof (I used to go there while I was still studying). If its another Waldstraße, feel free to have a beer, anyway ;)

Modifié par schneeland, 04 avril 2012 - 10:05 .


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This thread has begun grasping at straws. The beam being an indoctrination device? Omega being a "Left over" crucible? I mean, come on guys. I understand there isnt much new evidence to discuss, but now we're just looking desperate.

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LeRavelle wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

It could just be reused sounds and mean nothing, just saying. I wouldn't consider it evidence at all, if IT turns out to be true people looking back can go "Hey, yeah that's what they were doing" but it doesn't mean anything right now.


Maybe re-used for the same fucntion? ;)


Lol, maybe so but it is still pretty weak on its own. All the really blatant stuff was found ages ago in the thread. Still nice stuff popping up but at most it would fall under supporting evidence.

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I totally forgot I made this video a while ago and made a special YouTube account for it.

The video still amuses me. The song fits too well.

I especially like when Joker looks over his shoulder, sees the magic, and the singing starts again. Its like it was sneaking up on him.

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kirajc wrote...

This indoctrinated theory is plausible but it really feels like an excuse for people that can't let go of commander Shepard....


Thanks for your feedback. What parts of the theory do you like most?

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Not sure if anyone seen this post from the consensus theory but entering the Geth VR and the reapers sound exactly the same.

Start at 3:05 until 3:12
Then here starting at 1:45 until 1:56


HOLY F*CK

people need to see this.. it IS the same sound


Wow.  Seriously: WOW.  It's incredibly how after weeks of us looking for pieces of this puzzle, new stuff, major stuff, is still being found.

But yeah, BW didn't have IT planned.  The Nile.  It's not just a river--actually, that doesn't work with text.  ****.  Nevermind.


So you're an anti IT?


Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

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kirajc wrote...

This indoctrinated theory is plausible but it really feels like an excuse for people that can't let go of commander Shepard....


Personally, it's much harder for me to swallow the endings we got than let go of Shepard. I'd be fine with an ending where Shepard dies. I'm not fine with an ending where nothing makes sense and most of the series is contradicted by a character introduced in the last 10 minutes.

And yeah, I'll readily admit that part of the reason why I belive in the IT is because I don't want to believe the endings we got are legit.

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schneeland

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byne wrote...

I totally forgot I made this video a while ago and made a special YouTube account for it.

The video still amuses me. The song fits too well.

I especially like when Joker looks over his shoulder, sees the magic, and the singing starts again. Its like it was sneaking up on him.


Oh, my god! This is hilarious! Biggest laugh of the day! Thanks a lot, bryne!

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waldstr18

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schneeland wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

schneeland wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

does anyone know when exactly the bioware q&a will be?


16:30 EST, that's 22:30 for us (assuming that you are also from Germany).


thanks. i am. and i obviously live at waldstr. 18. if you wanna visit me, that is.


The only Waldstraße I remember is in Karlsruhe. If you happen to live there, have a beer for me at Alter Brauhof (I used to go there while I was still studying). If its another Waldstraße, feel free to have a beer, anyway ;)


not in karlsruhe and im one of those non drinkers, but thanks anyways.

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kirajc wrote...

This indoctrinated theory is plausible but it really feels like an excuse for people that can't let go of commander Shepard....


I find it to be like watching an excellent 10 hr mystery series then being told: "Ok, that was all the clues. In one months time we will have a special episode explaining all the clues, their purpose and the killer. Can you solve it before then?"

TheVolusSuck wrote...

This thread has begun grasping at
straws. The beam being an indoctrination device? Omega being a "Left
over" crucible? I mean, come on guys. I understand there isnt much new
evidence to discuss, but now we're just looking desperate.


PAX is Friday, we're trying to pass time, please let us pass time:crying:. Besides those are well under wild speculation.

I must take responsiblity for the 2nd crucible thing but I did say it was wild speculation (So I can claim "I told you so" after :innocent:)

Modifié par JustAidan, 04 avril 2012 - 10:11 .


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TheVolusSuck wrote...

This thread has begun grasping at straws. The beam being an indoctrination device? Omega being a "Left over" crucible? I mean, come on guys. I understand there isnt much new evidence to discuss, but now we're just looking desperate.


Now now, it's grasping at emergency induction ports