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[MegumiAzusa]

XwingVmanX wrote...

I don't believe this has been said yet (of course I am not reading 1000 pages), correct me if I am wrong, but the catalyst also tells Shepard that if he destroys synthetic life he will also kill himself because he is only alive because of synthetic enhancements. So why is that the only ending where Shepard survives?

Because the guardian lied.

[Reptilian Rob]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

XwingVmanX wrote...

I don't believe this has been said yet (of course I am not reading 1000 pages), correct me if I am wrong, but the catalyst also tells Shepard that if he destroys synthetic life he will also kill himself because he is only alive because of synthetic enhancements. So why is that the only ending where Shepard survives?

Because Bioware lied.

Fixed. 

[acidic-ph0]

Kroen135 wrote...

Another thing I wanted to point out after just finishing the game (3rd time) the final scene with stargazer. If you look at it closely it looks like your dream world you are in during the dream sections of the game. Only it has leaves on the trees. Could be reused textures but still interesting.

I also want some people to give feed back on the main "moon" in that scene. During the stargazer scene it looks like more then a moon. It has an obvious cloud cover and perhaps even continents. Now I know moons can have an atmosphere and even water given the rare conditions. It just seems like it might be Earth and Luna there. Only problem with that is if that IS Earth and Luna, then where are they standing?

Sorry but the background in the stargazer scene is just another poorly shopped stock photo. Google "winter in space" and you'll see what I mean.

SO MUCH FOR ARTIST INTEGRITY!

[Kroen135]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Kroen135 wrote...

Another thing I wanted to point out after just finishing the game (3rd time) the final scene with stargazer. If you look at it closely it looks like your dream world you are in during the dream sections of the game. Only it has leaves on the trees. Could be reused textures but still interesting.

I also want some people to give feed back on the main "moon" in that scene. During the stargazer scene it looks like more then a moon. It has an obvious cloud cover and perhaps even continents. Now I know moons can have an atmosphere and even water given the rare conditions. It just seems like it might be Earth and Luna there. Only problem with that is if that IS Earth and Luna, then where are they standing?

It is more likely the scene plays on a moon and that is the planet. If the moon were that close to be so big it would either result in horrific conditions because of the stress, or the moon crashing into the planet.

Fair enough. What about the setting around them looking like the "park" you dream up throughout the game? Do you think it looks like that; only with foliage of course. Trees look close.

[delldo]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dranks wrote...

 Well I got the idea to check around from this Youtube video. It's all the sounds you hear in the dreams extracted from the game. I at least could not hear any of those Reaper/demonic sounding sounds unless I was standing near the child. I'm probably not the first to have noticed this. 

www.youtube.com/watch

I wanted to add: there are clearly 3 lines from the child, but queued right after that there are more "reaper/demonic" sounds but if listened closely they are, in my opinion, also lines from the child but so much distorted with effects to sound different. What *I think* I hear:
Kids voice:
25s-33s    Come with me.
34s-40s    [...] I'm alone. (Can't really make it out, it seems to begin with "kills" but it doesn't make much sense with the rest)
41s-49s    Come with me.
Reaper/Demon voice:
50s-62s    Come with me. .. Come. (Not sure, but sounds very much like that)
71s-76s    [...]tion (The -tion part is pretty clear but I can't make out the rest)

Very creepy.  I find it crazy that starting out at 3:20 the noises sound like the ones from the prothean beacon visions.  

Prothean vision:

Modifié par delldo, 05 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

Indylavi wrote...

Kroen135 wrote...

I literally just finished the game and wanted to quickly point something out I just noticed. I am playing with a headset on and the different sounds are very discernible.

This was posted some time back and has it's own thread but is relevant. In the 2nd dream (After the shroud) if you get very close to the child at the end of the dream, but don't trigger the ending; you will hear a very noticeable noise. Very dark sounding and can have some undertone of a machine/metallic sound. It's not saying words that can be understood but more like just speaking in tongues really fast.

Right at the end, right when you get to the citadel control panel and Anderson starts to turn around; you hear that same noise all the way up to when TIM does his first "Oily Shadows" thing.

Pretty interesting since, even if you don't buy into IT, the whole theme of that part of the game is TIM is obviously indoctrinated and that keys his entrance.

Thoughts?

Noticed that as well. Interesting. I do think the dreams have more (or should have) to do with what's going on than meets the eye. They are just too much out of context not just in the game but in the series itself. Espeically if you play renegade. Seems strange that I can delight in killing and just being a rather unpleasant person. Then start having dreams of just one kid

Being renegade doesn't necessarily mean I'd be a psychopath who takes pleasure in killing, just sayin'.

[MilitanT07]

before shepard wake up in the extra scene for those with +4000EMS, you hear noises, then it stopps then shepard wake up and take a breath!

[lex0r11]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

XwingVmanX wrote...

I don't believe this has been said yet (of course I am not reading 1000 pages), correct me if I am wrong, but the catalyst also tells Shepard that if he destroys synthetic life he will also kill himself because he is only alive because of synthetic enhancements. So why is that the only ending where Shepard survives?

Because Bioware lied.

Fixed. 

Dude, you can't just go around fixing peoples posts.

What about the artistic integrity?

[DirtyPhoenix]

lex0r11 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

XwingVmanX wrote...

I don't believe this has been said yet (of course I am not reading 1000 pages), correct me if I am wrong, but the catalyst also tells Shepard that if he destroys synthetic life he will also kill himself because he is only alive because of synthetic enhancements. So why is that the only ending where Shepard survives?

Because Bioware lied.

Fixed. 

Dude, you can't just go around fixing peoples posts.

What about the artistic integrity?

Yea I heard those, sound like rumble and soldiers screaming?

[MegumiAzusa]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

XwingVmanX wrote...

I don't believe this has been said yet (of course I am not reading 1000 pages), correct me if I am wrong, but the catalyst also tells Shepard that if he destroys synthetic life he will also kill himself because he is only alive because of synthetic enhancements. So why is that the only ending where Shepard survives?

Because Bioware lied.

Fixed. 

I cannot agree on that. The real quote is that the guardian lied and just changing it is not okay, even for trolling. If you got something to say don't change the quote anyone else said to suit yourself.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 05 avril 2012 - 05:42 .

[byne]

This doesnt really have anything to do with IT, but I'm bored and reading random codex entries. Just read the Miracle at Palaven one.

The Reapers did not understand the seriousness of the threat at first--those that detected the landing crafts sent husks and Collector swarms to intercept them, but little more.

Where the hell did the Reapers get Collector swarms? Didnt we kill the all the Collectors?

Didnt that supposedly discredited DLC rumor called The Truth supposedly have something to do with Shepard going to a Collector ship that somehow survived?

Most intriguing.

Modifié par byne, 05 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[Terran235]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

XwingVmanX wrote...

I don't believe this has been said yet (of course I am not reading 1000 pages), correct me if I am wrong, but the catalyst also tells Shepard that if he destroys synthetic life he will also kill himself because he is only alive because of synthetic enhancements. So why is that the only ending where Shepard survives?

Because Bioware lied.

Fixed. 

I can agree on that. The real quote is that bioware lied and just changing it is okay, even for trolling. If you got something to say change the quote everyone else said to suit yourself.

Fixed:wizard:

[DirtyPhoenix]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

XwingVmanX wrote...

I don't believe this has been said yet (of course I am not reading 1000 pages), correct me if I am wrong, but the catalyst also tells Shepard that if he destroys synthetic life he will also kill himself because he is only alive because of synthetic enhancements. So why is that the only ending where Shepard survives?

Because Bioware lied.

Fixed. 

I cannot agree on that. The real quote is that the guardian lied and just changing it is not okay, even for trolling. If you got something to say don't change the quote anyone else said to suit yourself.

The Catalyst didn't lie. It said all synthetic lives with die. Shepard, despite having synthetic implant, was an organic creature.

[Terran235]

Not true, he said all synthetics would die "even you shepard" Listen to that scene again.

[byne]

pirate1802 wrote...


The Catalyst didn't lie. It said all synthetic lives with die. Shepard, despite having synthetic implant, was an organic creature.

But if your EMS is low enough, destroy also kills fully organic beings, like the marines fighting on Earth in the end cinematic.

So one way or another, godchild lied to us.

Modifié par byne, 05 avril 2012 - 05:52 .

[yagaelvin]

Terran235 wrote...

Not true, he said all synthetics would die "even you shepard" Listen to that scene again.

He says "Even you are partially synthethic"

[DirtyPhoenix]

byne wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...


The Catalyst didn't lie. It said all synthetic lives with die. Shepard, despite having synthetic implant, was an organic creature.

But if your EMS is low enough, destroy also kills fully organic beings, like the marines fighting on Earth in the end cinematic.

So one way or another, godchild lied to us.

Yeah that's ture. Boy I was sad as it was, with the "perfect" ending, I can only imagine the situation of someone who got the worst ending, destroying everything you fought for.. -___-

EDIT: Does that kid's dialog play as exact same fashion as the high EMS, if we get the low EMS ending or does he say something different?

Modifié par pirate1802, 05 avril 2012 - 05:59 .

[byne]

pirate1802 wrote...

byne wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...


The Catalyst didn't lie. It said all synthetic lives with die. Shepard, despite having synthetic implant, was an organic creature.

But if your EMS is low enough, destroy also kills fully organic beings, like the marines fighting on Earth in the end cinematic.

So one way or another, godchild lied to us.

Yeah that's ture. Boy I was sad as it was, with the "perfect" ending, I can only imagine the situation of someone who got the worst ending, destroying everything you fought for.. -___-

EDIT: Does that kid's dialog play as exact same fashion as the high EMS, if we get the low EMS ending or does he say something different?

I know when you first meet him with low EMS, instead of being all nice and saying 'Wake up.', he angrily yells 'Why are you here?!'

I believe instead of 'You have hope. More than you know.' he says something along the lines of 'You have hope. More than you deserve', but I'm not sure about the exact words he uses.

I dont know what else changes.

[DirtyPhoenix]

byne wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

byne wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...


The Catalyst didn't lie. It said all synthetic lives with die. Shepard, despite having synthetic implant, was an organic creature.

But if your EMS is low enough, destroy also kills fully organic beings, like the marines fighting on Earth in the end cinematic.

So one way or another, godchild lied to us.

Yeah that's ture. Boy I was sad as it was, with the "perfect" ending, I can only imagine the situation of someone who got the worst ending, destroying everything you fought for.. -___-

EDIT: Does that kid's dialog play as exact same fashion as the high EMS, if we get the low EMS ending or does he say something different?

I know when you first meet him with low EMS, instead of being all nice and saying 'Wake up.', he angrily yells 'Why are you here?!'

I believe instead of 'You have hope. More than you know.' he says something along the lines of 'You have hope. More than you deserve', but I'm not sure about the exact words he uses.

I dont know what else changes.

That's stupid... Why am I here? Because your freaking elavator brought me here! ... without asking me >_<

[Sweawm]

Biggest proof on Indoctrination Theory is that some how: Anderson surviving for an extra minute affect the endings.
Now, in logical sense, how the hell does that work? Saving Anderson from the Illusive Man gives you the 'good' Ending with 4000+ but Anderson dying takes 5000+?

Two Explanations:
Unlikely: Anderson is a space magical force which shapes the energy of the Crucible itself. Anderson is the Catalyst...
Likely: Indoctrination Theory. The whole Shepard's will being contested thing.

Take the likely answer. Or if you like space magic, go with the unlikely answer.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

EDIT: Does that kid's dialog play as exact same fashion as the high EMS, if we get the low EMS ending or does he say something different?

I know when you first meet him with low EMS, instead of being all nice and saying 'Wake up.', he angrily yells 'Why are you here?!'

I believe instead of 'You have hope. More than you know.' he says something along the lines of 'You have hope. More than you deserve', but I'm not sure about the exact words he uses.

I dont know what else changes.

It's basically mocking you all the way.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 05 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

I think all this little differences between the different ending cutscenes you get depending on your EMS (like the three different "destroy" scenes you get) point that there is more than what meets the eyes. If Bioware ran out of time why would they make almost identical end scenes for similar situations?

[Rob Psyence]

acidic-ph0 wrote...

Kroen135 wrote...

Another thing I wanted to point out after just finishing the game (3rd time) the final scene with stargazer. If you look at it closely it looks like your dream world you are in during the dream sections of the game. Only it has leaves on the trees. Could be reused textures but still interesting.

I also want some people to give feed back on the main "moon" in that scene. During the stargazer scene it looks like more then a moon. It has an obvious cloud cover and perhaps even continents. Now I know moons can have an atmosphere and even water given the rare conditions. It just seems like it might be Earth and Luna there. Only problem with that is if that IS Earth and Luna, then where are they standing?

Sorry but the background in the stargazer scene is just another poorly shopped stock photo. Google "winter in space" and you'll see what I mean.

SO MUCH FOR ARTIST INTEGRITY!

First of all they probably got permission to use it. Secondly just because you use something that previously exists does not take away "artistic integrity" Have you heard of pop art or Andy Warhol? Pop art includes comic enlargements: take a pre existing comic panel and blow it up. Andy warhol made numerous peices of art that used preexisting photos/items, Marilyn Monroe, and most notably Campbell's soup cans. If you use something to prove a point or to get a certain look you maintain "artistic integrity"

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Back Online...

This unit sees we have yet to achieve consensus......error

Reaper code is insufficient to achieve consensus....

Pax announcement....ending dlc plan confirmation needed...


Anderson is good but their's no way he followed Shepard up and managed to get to the control room before him.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 05 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Leonia]

pirate1802 wrote...

I think all this little differences between the different ending cutscenes you get depending on your EMS (like the three different "destroy" scenes you get) point that there is more than what meets the eyes. If Bioware ran out of time why would they make almost identical end scenes for similar situations?

Think you just answered your own question there.