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[Earthborn_Shepard]

There's something odd about the beacons anyway. If the protheans were able to store VI's in a beacon, you'd think they should have done that in the first place instead of making them show you a vision that can't possibly make sense to you.

[Vahilor]

The most ridicoulous thing for me is that when the Reapers arrive on earth.. only some minutes/hours later Hakett informs you there is somthing important on Mars (the plans of the crucible).
The humans were searching on Mars for years and didn't find anything. Even Liara seemd to look there for about a half year.. and the plans appear exactly when the reapers arrive earth... very susspicous for me... somhow more proof for me that the crucible is a big fat trojan horse.

[Zylenn]

I posted this vid of the thessia beacon about 100 pages ago and mentioned the reaper-like sounds you start to here at 0:50.
They sound much like the ones you here during the conversation with TIM at the end. An if you listen closely you can here faint whispering.



Also Shepards hand movement looks like if she was controlled somehow.

[Blubox]

bdragon wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

There was also a random Prothean beacon on a side-mission in ME2 that shows the same vision as the two from ME1, it behaved the same way as the other two (can't recall the mission, it was a series of quests that led to it). Going to have to re-watch the Thessia sequence again, it did seem odd that that beacon had a VI attached to it (the very VI that has added heaps of questions to this overall discussion).

This one, Joab, N7: Archeological Dig Site
www.youtube.com/watch

omg i've never seen that before
was that dlc?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Vahilor wrote...

The most ridicoulous thing for me is that when the Reapers arrive on earth.. only some minutes/hours later Hakett informs you there is somthing important on Mars (the plans of the crucible).
The humans were searching on Mars for years and didn't find anything. Even Liara seemd to look there for about a half year.. and the plans appear exactly when the reapers arrive earth... very susspicous for me... somhow more proof for me that the crucible is a big fat trojan horse.

I'm still thinking about wether it had any relevance how Anderson says "why haven't we heard from Hackett?" at the beginning. Probably not, but it struck me as kind of senseless, seeing as it isn't really resolved.

[Sisterofshane]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

The most ridicoulous thing for me is that when the Reapers arrive on earth.. only some minutes/hours later Hakett informs you there is somthing important on Mars (the plans of the crucible).
The humans were searching on Mars for years and didn't find anything. Even Liara seemd to look there for about a half year.. and the plans appear exactly when the reapers arrive earth... very susspicous for me... somhow more proof for me that the crucible is a big fat trojan horse.

I'm still thinking about wether it had any relevance how Anderson says "why haven't we heard from Hackett?" at the beginning. Probably not, but it struck me as kind of senseless, seeing as it isn't really resolved.

I found it odd that the "find" of the device seemed to coincide with the arrival of Dr. Eva - otherwise known as cerberus sleeper agent.

But now I truly believe that we are reading into it too much.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Vahilor wrote...

The most ridicoulous thing for me is that when the Reapers arrive on earth.. only some minutes/hours later Hakett informs you there is somthing important on Mars (the plans of the crucible).
The humans were searching on Mars for years and didn't find anything. Even Liara seemd to look there for about a half year.. and the plans appear exactly when the reapers arrive earth... very susspicous for me... somhow more proof for me that the crucible is a big fat trojan horse.

This makes me very sad. Isn't it enough that they already are F**king all organic species in the galxy that they have to implement such devious plans?

But seriously, reading all these posts about the crucible makes me suspecious that it indeed is a trap. But if it's true that means the ending DLC (if it ever comes) would be bigger than what we think.

Modifié par pirate1802, 05 avril 2012 - 08:20 .

[Blubox]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

The most ridicoulous thing for me is that when the Reapers arrive on earth.. only some minutes/hours later Hakett informs you there is somthing important on Mars (the plans of the crucible).
The humans were searching on Mars for years and didn't find anything. Even Liara seemd to look there for about a half year.. and the plans appear exactly when the reapers arrive earth... very susspicous for me... somhow more proof for me that the crucible is a big fat trojan horse.

I'm still thinking about wether it had any relevance how Anderson says "why haven't we heard from Hackett?" at the beginning. Probably not, but it struck me as kind of senseless, seeing as it isn't really resolved.

Just yesterday while i was playing i thought Hackett is indoctrinated, he said something weird what made me think that, cant remember what though It had something to do with the crucible.

[Vahilor]

pirate1802 wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

The most ridicoulous thing for me is that when the Reapers arrive on earth.. only some minutes/hours later Hakett informs you there is somthing important on Mars (the plans of the crucible).
The humans were searching on Mars for years and didn't find anything. Even Liara seemd to look there for about a half year.. and the plans appear exactly when the reapers arrive earth... very susspicous for me... somhow more proof for me that the crucible is a big fat trojan horse.

This makes me very sad. Isn't it enough that they already are F**king all organic species in the galxy that they have to implement such devious plans?

But seriously, reading all these posts about the crucible makes me suspecious that it indeed is a trap. But if it's true that means the ending DLC (if it ever comes) would be bigger than what we think.

Regarding how old that crucible is and somone states, that the crucible was not invented by the Protheans... everything is possible here and I think the Reapers would do anything possible to trick Shep.

[Gernbuster]

The most interesting point is, when u tell Hacket about the crucible after the Mars Mission, he says we have no idea what it is gonna to do. Paragon Shep answeres he/she is not trusting it and the renegade one is glad to hear of that super weapon.
Normally in books, movies, games, if you find something super weapon like and don't know where it comes from, its either a trap or will destroy everything.
I see a coherence between the crucible and a Halo ring.

[Leonia]

Just the name "Crucible" sends off a red flag to me and who gave it that name? Hackett.

[Skillz1986]

"I'm still thinking about wether it had any relevance how Anderson says "why haven't we heard from Hackett?" at the beginning. Probably not, but it struck me as kind of senseless, seeing as it isn't really resolved."

Well, the thought that hackett could be indoctrinated crossed my mind some time ago but i somehow let fo of the idea. but thinking about it now, it makes a certain kind of sense, especially when you're talking about the crucible being a reaper trojan horse.

Concider:

The order to search fo it's blueprints comes from hackett.
He is hellbent on building that thing, orders you to rally everybody you can to build it.
Anderson's strange remark on why they haven't heard from hackett before the reapers invaded earth.
The codex entry on indoctrination, about how disastrous it would be, were the reapers to indoctrinate important politicians or high ranking military personell.

Of course it's far fetched. but i love speculating

[Leonia]

Eh, the comment about "Why haven't we heard from Hackett" is probably innocent since Arcturus station was hit before Earth and Hackett explains later that he ordered a retreat leaving one of the fleets behind. There probably wasn't much time before that and the attack on Earth for communication to occur (and the comm buoys would have been out, not sure if QED communication was being used yet).

The idea of Hackett possibly being indoctrinated goes as far back as Arrival, there was some scepticism after that first came out. I doubt it's true, but we really don't know a whole lot about Hackett as a person.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

There's something odd about the beacons anyway. If the protheans were able to store VI's in a beacon, you'd think they should have done that in the first place instead of making them show you a vision that can't possibly make sense to you.

True, but it could be because the Protheans were cut of from the different systems for centuries and some systems made advancements the others did not in spite of the Reapers. Like the Ilos team finishing the Conduit, the Protheans on Thesia might have found a way to incoperate VI in a Beacon, something others did not figure out before their end.

Still that VI rups me the wrong way. I mean it mentions how there is a constant pattern in the cycle of the Galaxy and how the Reapers are only a part of the pattern, not the source.

Yet how does it know this? Or rather how did the Protheans know? The moment they had a chance to study the Reapers all of their systems were isolated, they could not compare research across the galaxy, only perform it within their sector. And Liara mentions in ME1 how there is little information on the Protheans and next to nothing of those who came before them, so how did the Protheans find enough evidence to be certain that the Reapers were not the creators of this pattern when they should have had next to no information on the past cycles according to what Liara says.

Beyond that it flies against everything we have learned. Of how the Reapers intentionally leave certain species alive and how the Mass Relays and the Citadel, built by the Reapers, guide the species down the same path cycle after cycle.

This just seems so off...the VI in its entirety seems off...

Food for thought.

[WebFoo]

Blubox wrote...

bdragon wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

There was also a random Prothean beacon on a side-mission in ME2 that shows the same vision as the two from ME1, it behaved the same way as the other two (can't recall the mission, it was a series of quests that led to it). Going to have to re-watch the Thessia sequence again, it did seem odd that that beacon had a VI attached to it (the very VI that has added heaps of questions to this overall discussion).

This one, Joab, N7: Archeological Dig Site
www.youtube.com/watch

omg i've never seen that before
was that dlc?

No, one of the side missions in the standard game..  pretty short one!  Leads to "N7: MSV Strontium Mule"

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/N7:_Archeological_Dig_Site

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I also thought it was strange how the VI kind of looks like Glyph (Liara's VI) at first and then changes its form to a prothean.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

ConVito wrote...

Dranks wrote...

This thread is 1186 pages long so forgive me if this has already been posted (which I'm sure it has) but I've just noticed that in the dream scenes if you turn the music off there are a ton of loud Reaper sounds when you stand next to the kid. Going away it gets much more quiet and you just hear some vague whispers. Approaching the child again will once against start the loud noises. 

Don't know if it's been posted, but if this is true then that's some great evidence.

Also, I just finished my second playthrough. If anyone wasn't sure, I can confirm completely that there are trees and shrubs in the run to the beam, before you get hit by Harby. The tree you see behind you after the hit is identical to those other ones. I still believe fully in IT, but I'm afraid that piece of evidence is officially debunked.

I can confirm those Reaper noises, though I would call them more metallic than Reaper. They get stronger near the kid and seem to get weaker among the Oily shadows, though that might just be their "whispers" drowning the noise (subtle Indoctrination and direct Indoctrination anyone?)

[Blubox]

bdragon wrote...

Blubox wrote...

bdragon wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

There was also a random Prothean beacon on a side-mission in ME2 that shows the same vision as the two from ME1, it behaved the same way as the other two (can't recall the mission, it was a series of quests that led to it). Going to have to re-watch the Thessia sequence again, it did seem odd that that beacon had a VI attached to it (the very VI that has added heaps of questions to this overall discussion).

This one, Joab, N7: Archeological Dig Site
www.youtube.com/watch

omg i've never seen that before
was that dlc?

No, one of the side missions in the standard game..  pretty short one!  Leads to "N7: MSV Strontium Mule"

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/N7:_Archeological_Dig_Site

Thanks... Great, now I have to play ME2 again. Its not acceptable that I havnt played that bit...

Modifié par Blubox, 05 avril 2012 - 09:13 .

[JustAidan]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I also thought it was strange how the VI kind of looks like Glyph (Liara's VI) at first and then changes its form to a prothean.

In fairness, spheres are pretty stable structures (equal dispersion of forces arcoss their surfaces). Much like wings are considered to be a standard for biological systems to use if they want to fly, they are just easier than, say, trying to evolve helicopeter blades.

Also, bit of a stretch, each cycles' technology is based off the same sources, so it is likely they would share similarities.

Modifié par JustAidan, 05 avril 2012 - 09:32 .

[monrapias]

http://epantiras.dev...set=96#/d4upbuq funny.

anyway, no news?

I guess we wont really get anything untill pax now.

[Arian Dynas]

zakaryzb wrote...

So it is late for me and I will leave this here for discussion if anyone wants to.  I am a big supporter of IT but this is the only gripe I have with it, but it is more so in defense of the "face value" approach to the current endings.

So if you have Javik, he has a long conversation with you about his cycle and the machines and why he hates them.  here is the link to it () but basically, he states that the machines rose up in his cycle and saw themselves as superior to organics because they are timeless, much like the reapers, and thus there was no purpose to organics.  The catalyst says the exact same thing and makes the same argument, albeit in a much simpler form.

Yes, depending on how you played you can make the argument that we have proved this wrong, however, as Javik states, you can never trust a machine and you never know when they will realize they are superior and turn on organics.  He personally thinks that the peace Shepard creates will not last.  The Catalyst states this as well and says he was the one who created the reapers to make sure that when organics make synthetics that can revolt (this is how I am interpreting it) they must ALL be destroyed so that the synthetics that are created do not destroy all organic life.  The reapers, in contrast, are synthetics that only destroy advanced organic life and allow the rest to flourish for a time being.

The Prothean VI even states that every cycle followed a distinct path, not just what the reapers wanted but in terms of conflict and he believed that the reapers were controlled by some higher force/being.  Here is the link, listen carefully to what he says:  .

I tried to keep this brief, but I apologize for it's length.  I know there are a TON of plot holes, but I am trying to
approach the meanings of what the catalyst represents and the fact that everything he states is not from way out in left field.  Let me know what your guys' thoughts are on this.  I know all the other things wrong with the original ending, I've been following this thread for a while, the part about "who controls the Reapers and why" has been bothering me and from what I can see "at face value" it is present in the game and at the end.

EDIT: stupid word formating issues...

Doesn't hurt that Javik was the catalyst in a earlier draft.

[Skillz1986]

Bioware rep at pax: "well, we tried to be all artsy like..you know nolan was with inception, oh boy..he he he..gotta love that movie. so yeah, no indoctrination took place, it was just supposed to be an ambiguous ending"

Fan:" but there is no closure whatsoever..what abou our choices..all the time we've put into that game. it has no impact at all."

Rep: "well..ahem..i should go! Hehe..se what i did there?. But seriously...i'm out!" (runs away)


I hope it doesn't happen!

[Kazalord2]

If you google ME3, you can easily find an article about the voice actress who states that she does not know anything abot the new ending, though she is definitely working on something else.

[ref]

At this point, it's safe to say the indoc. theory isn't going to happen, unless it's still planned and they're just not saying anything, in which case, the ending wouldn't be changed since it was planned, however, I'm grasping at straws probably.

Shame.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Refara wrote...

At this point, it's safe to say the indoc. theory isn't going to happen, unless it's still planned and they're just not saying anything, in which case, the ending wouldn't be changed since it was planned, however, I'm grasping at straws probably.

Shame.

Did Bioware release a new statement I dident hear about, cause last I checked they were not going to change the ending only "Clarify" (they have really loved that word) it.