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[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

There's something odd about the beacons anyway. If the protheans were able to store VI's in a beacon, you'd think they should have done that in the first place instead of making them show you a vision that can't possibly make sense to you.

True, but it could be because the Protheans were cut of from the different systems for centuries and some systems made advancements the others did not in spite of the Reapers. Like the Ilos team finishing the Conduit, the Protheans on Thesia might have found a way to incoperate VI in a Beacon, something others did not figure out before their end.

Still that VI rups me the wrong way. I mean it mentions how there is a constant pattern in the cycle of the Galaxy and how the Reapers are only a part of the pattern, not the source.

Yet how does it know this? Or rather how did the Protheans know? The moment they had a chance to study the Reapers all of their systems were isolated, they could not compare research across the galaxy, only perform it within their sector. And Liara mentions in ME1 how there is little information on the Protheans and next to nothing of those who came before them, so how did the Protheans find enough evidence to be certain that the Reapers were not the creators of this pattern when they should have had next to no information on the past cycles according to what Liara says.

Beyond that it flies against everything we have learned. Of how the Reapers intentionally leave certain species alive and how the Mass Relays and the Citadel, built by the Reapers, guide the species down the same path cycle after cycle.

This just seems so off...the VI in its entirety seems off...

Food for thought.

Shameless selfbumb since I just thought of something new adding to this and dident want it to get lost on last page as we moved on.

But anyway the way I remember it the VI also talks very much like the godchild when it tells you about the Repeating Patterns and the Reapers not beeing the source. I mean like in it says it, but never offers and indepth explanation of why or how it (or the Protheans) knows of this and you cant question it on the subject...at least that is how I recall it.

[Skillz1986]

Nah, i'm not giving up hope. there's just too much being too fishy, to believe that this the complete game with the complete ending. even pre-release. casey hudson stating, that you do not have to play multiplayer at all, in order to achieve the perfect ending. it's impossible..you just cannot, in any way get enough ems without playing multiplayer at least once. then there was his statement about us not getting a simple a,b,c ending. well i don't know about you, but the way i see it, that's exactly what we got. and don't even start saying that there wer slight differences, making it 16 endings after all. it's like saying "well in one ending shepard armor was pink, while in the other one it was blue, this can be interpreted as followed..." ...seriously? Then we have all those hints in game..i am not going to list them all, they are all in the op and my post is already too long. so iam still holding the line.

Should bioware in fact stick with the current endings...they are just liars..and nothing more.

[Baldsake]

let's just wait til PAX, saying things like ''Oh, they're not changing anything'' or ''I'm 100% sure the IDT is true!'' makes you look like an idiot.

[Grifterkke]

hmmm, no new ending in sight: http://www.escapistm...Effect-3-Ending

http://www.edge-onli...ffect-3s-ending

Modifié par Grifterkke, 05 avril 2012 - 10:14 .

[Skillz1986]

I did not say neither. i just said i'm losing hope. and the statements made by hudson ar a fact. so sticking with the current endings, would in fact..make him a liar and nothing else. as you have noted, i also said there were hints ingame..not evidence..since it's not evidence as long as IT is not confirmed by bioware. in case you were not addressing me..just ignore this post

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Grifterkke wrote...

hmmm, no new ending in sight: http://www.escapistm...Effect-3-Ending

If it is the same as what was quoted a few pages back, then there is still the possibility that the ending is allready done as well as the voice work. Would be fitting if this was planned all along. Remember supposedly they finished early enough to also complete "From the Ashes" before release.

[Skillz1986]

i meant, i was NOT losing hope...(sorry can't use edit function)

[Jaroslav Jakubov]

i think real catalyst is Shepard, not the spacechild. Reapers needed him to activate citadel to convert organics to hybrids. They figured taht out after Shepard destroyed Sovereign. so they tried to get his body/dna to use it as catalyst for the change. When they failed due to Liara initiative, they focused to create a Human Reaper that would work same way.. That would explain all that talk Harbinger had at the end of ME2... Because Shepard destroyed Human Reaper, Harbinger planted info about Crucible on Mars (via Cerberus and doctor Eve) so it was "discovered" just few days prior to invasion... rest is simple - at the end Reapers tried to indoctrinate Shepard, giving him false choices to trick him not to choose reaper destruction.... what you think?

Modifié par Jaroslav Jakubov, 05 avril 2012 - 10:21 .

[Baldsake]

Skillz1986 wrote...

I did not say neither. i just said i'm losing hope. and the statements made by hudson ar a fact. so sticking with the current endings, would in fact..make him a liar and nothing else. as you have noted, i also said there were hints ingame..not evidence..since it's not evidence as long as IT is not confirmed by bioware. in case you were not addressing me..just ignore this post

I wasn't addressing you, just people in general who seem to be so sure about this whole thing. BW has told us they will clarify the ending, that's a fact, now we'll just have to wait 1 day to find out how. It could be a million different things, both good and bad. We'll see. Personally I hope they will have after-ending gameplay and dialogue, as well as a multiplayer update with new races, powers and maps. But thats just me, I'm sure whatever BW announces this weekend, it won't please everyone.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Jaroslav Jakubov wrote...

i think real catalyst is Shepard, not the spacechild. Reapers needed him to activate citadel to convert organics to hybrids. They figured taht out after Shepard destroyed Sovereign. so they tried to get his body/dna to use it as catalyst for the change. When they failed due to Liara initiative, they focused to create a Human Reaper that would work same way.. That would explain all that talk Harbinger had at the end of ME2... Because Shepard destroyed Human Reaper, Harbinger planted info about Crucible on Mars (via Cerberus and doctor Eve) so it was "discovered" just few days prior to invasion... rest is simple - at the end Reapers tried to indoctrinate Shepard, giving him false choices to trick him not to choose reaper destruction.... what you think?

Has been brought up and there are two major flaws in a "Indoctrination, but it also happened" theory.

First is the fact that Synthesis in the way the Space-Child explains it is Space Magic. It is not possible in any capacity within the way we are told about it and shown it.

The second is then the question of how Shepard survived in destroy. It is pretty damn certain he could not survive the explosion on the Citadel, so the only possibility is that he was never there.

[Skillz1986]

" I wasn't addressing you, just people in general who seem to be so sure about this whole thing. BW has told us they will clarify the ending, that's a fact, now we'll just have to wait 1 day to find out how. It could be a million different things, both good and bad. We'll see. Personally I hope they will have after-ending gameplay and dialogue, as well as a multiplayer update with new races, powers and maps. But thats just me, I'm sure whatever BW announces this weekend, it won't please everyone."

I said ignore the post!!!!

Just kidding. You're definitely right, whatever they do..haters gonna hate. and sure they will have thei reasons. while i cannot, and will nit understand how anyone coulb possibly enjoy the endings as they are, there sure are many people who actually do. And guess what, they're also entitled to their opinion and will be majorly pissed off if bioware announces an extended ending. on the other hand, they just don't have to download it. But it would drive me insane, knowing that there is an extended ending which i refuse to download, because i enjoy the current one (which i do not). So yeah, if they announce this dlc, they are going to ruin someone's day, somewhere, sometime.

[ryuasiu]

Rob Psyence wrote...

Bioware probably isnt just going to come out "yep it's indoctorination folks" whats the point of that? It'll most likely be "we are providing an ending dlc to expand on the current endings that are in place." If they just out and said it then it'd completely destroy the in game reveal lol

My guess is that they are going to atleast hint at it if it is true. saying something like "going over the forums it looks like a large chunk of our fans figured it out" or something like that. I dont think they are going to give a complete answer till DLC is out

[ChuckieJ]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

This is not directly related, but how many Indoctrination Boosters did you see and where are they?
They are quite interesting as usually every single object you can interact with or destroy is marked but them. You can shoot them and they explode but as they are not being marked they are a lot less noticeable. (Clever hint of indoctrination maybe?)
I saw one in the Asari Monastery, in the room where you also find the daily schedule iirc. I also think I remember a screen with one but with a completely different background, so I guess there are more than that one which leads me again to my original question: how many Indoctrination Boosters did you see and where are they?

Definitely one of the things you are told to do in multiplayer is deactivate Indoctrination boosters.

[Spiderman_2028]

I barely played multiplayer- I think maybe one complete mission, one up to wave 9 and one up to wave 4... Wound up with over 6k EMS. That said, I did play Infiltrator on IPad and upload intel, and have the Datapad app with the Galaxy at War mini game.

That's what helped me bump my readiness up.

[Spiderman_2028]

Also, this:

http://blog.bioware....r-john-dombrow/

This is a really good reason, for me at least, why the "Lazy, Bad writing" argument holds no water.

Also- I don't get the Jennifer Hale article at all, considering Mark Meer has ME DLC on HIS schedule, but she doesn't?

[Interslice]

Grifterkke wrote...

hmmm, no new ending in sight: http://www.escapistm...Effect-3-Ending

http://www.edge-onli...ffect-3s-ending

See, that's weird because Mark Meer said in an interview that he was called back to do voice work for DLC. (Sorry, read this a little while back and I don't have the link)

Modifié par Interslice, 05 avril 2012 - 11:11 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Interslice wrote...

Grifterkke wrote...

hmmm, no new ending in sight: http://www.escapistm...Effect-3-Ending

http://www.edge-onli...ffect-3s-ending

See, that's weird because Mark Meer said in an interview that he was called back to do voice work for DLC. (Sorry, read this a little while back and I don't have the link)

HE DID???
YES
SO THEY'RE MAKING AN ENDING WHERE SHEP IS ALIVE

[JustAidan]

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

Also, this:

http://blog.bioware....r-john-dombrow/

This is a really good reason, for me at least, why the "Lazy, Bad writing" argument holds no water.

Also- I don't get the Jennifer Hale article at all, considering Mark Meer has ME DLC on HIS schedule, but she doesn't?

NDAs? Mark said something to the effect that he didn't have anything and couldn't say if he did even if he did.
But yeah he said he had more DLC *stuff* to do.

[Rifneno]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

The reason I believe it could be rebar is because the rebar we see during the game is built with really low res textures. While the cables use High res. This rendered cutscene uses high res so it's a possibility we're getting a clear look at the textures.

The thing about the video is it ignores all the major points of the theory...

Rebar is the logical conclusion. That's what the surgeon joke was about. If you find a stomach inside a human, you assume it's a human stomach until there's some damn convincing evidence otherwise. If you find a rod in broken concrete, you assume it's a rebar until there's some damn convincing evidence otherwise. Could it be those wires we see all over the game? Sure. But until there's something a lot more convincing than "it COULD be!", that's just a ridiculous conclusion. IT opponents claiming it to be Reaper wires are just doing the very thing they accuse us of: only seeing what they want to see.

EpyonX3 wrote...

Developers reuse graphical assets all the time. Bioware is no different.

"Shepard is definitely on the Citadel." - EpyonX3 after finding something that may or may not be concrete on a part of the Citadel found only using the flycam to access areas that are impossible to see by legitimate means.

"Developers reuse graphical assets all the time." - EpyonX3 after seeing something that didn't jive with his/her viewpoint.

Jeffro0050 wrote...

There aint no gettin offa this train We're on.

Barret approves. (+15)
Morrigan disapproves. (-10)

byne wrote...

This doesnt really have anything to do with IT, but I'm bored and reading random codex entries. Just read the Miracle at Palaven one.

The Reapers did not understand the seriousness of the threat at first--those that detected the landing crafts sent husks and Collector swarms to intercept them, but little more.


Where the hell did the Reapers get Collector swarms? Didnt we kill the all the Collectors?

Didnt that supposedly discredited DLC rumor called The Truth supposedly have something to do with Shepard going to a Collector ship that somehow survived?

Most intriguing.

There's also Oculuses serving as a kind of fighter jet for the Reapers. Both on Earth at the beginning and against Sword at the end. Maybe other places too. An oculus is 'piloted' by a collector that's stripped down to their nervous system and then the machine built around them. I suppose it's possible they may be able to use other organics for the process as well, but we only know for sure that they use collectors. Given the striking similarity between oculuses and the Prothean machine that was seen in the cro-magnan flashback on Eletania in ME1 (that was in ME3 confirmed to be real Protheans, not collectors) there's a good possibility that the oculus is actually a Prothean technology that the Reapers stole and perverted.

[monrapias]

http://consumerist.c...a-for-2012.html

No suprise there.

[S Atomeha]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Interslice wrote...

Grifterkke wrote...

hmmm, no new ending in sight: http://www.escapistm...Effect-3-Ending

http://www.edge-onli...ffect-3s-ending

See, that's weird because Mark Meer said in an interview that he was called back to do voice work for DLC. (Sorry, read this a little while back and I don't have the link)

HE DID???
YES
SO THEY'RE MAKING AN ENDING WHERE MAN SHEP IS ALIVE

fixed

[JustAidan]

monrapias wrote...

http://consumerist.c...a-for-2012.html

No suprise there.

Isn't that an internet-based poll though?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

S Atomeha wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Interslice wrote...

Grifterkke wrote...

hmmm, no new ending in sight: http://www.escapistm...Effect-3-Ending

http://www.edge-onli...ffect-3s-ending

See, that's weird because Mark Meer said in an interview that he was called back to do voice work for DLC. (Sorry, read this a little while back and I don't have the link)

HE DID???
YES
SO THEY'RE MAKING AN ENDING WHERE MAN SHEP IS ALIVE

fixed

Imagine the rage if only Manshep could survive! Civil war!

[S Atomeha]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Interslice wrote...

Grifterkke wrote...

hmmm, no new ending in sight: http://www.escapistm...Effect-3-Ending

http://www.edge-onli...ffect-3s-ending

See, that's weird because Mark Meer said in an interview that he was called back to do voice work for DLC. (Sorry, read this a little while back and I don't have the link)

HE DID???
YES
SO THEY'RE MAKING AN ENDING WHERE MAN SHEP IS ALIVE

fixed

Imagine the rage if only Manshep could survive! Civil war!

it's what BW wants!

[CfChrismo]

Saw someone mentioning the datapad on the way to Anderson earlier. Don't know if it's been mentioned earlier, but this is what it says;

"Sammy where are you? Can't find you, message me back please!!!

People go into that place and come out not the same not human anymore


Can hear the voices crawling inside the back of my skull whispering they won't


Stop why won't it stop until I go where the others went get turned into of those things


Oh god please makeit stop make itstop makeitsto!!!!!!!!!!~


Won't listen to the voices won't go in there. Can make it stop. Know what to do."

Modifié par CfChrismo, 05 avril 2012 - 11:44 .