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[Sl4sh3r]

I made a video with the explanation of Indoctrination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch

Seems like all of this is happening to Shep towards the end of the game

Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 12 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[byne]

I was just talking to EDI, and she said something that made Shepard ask "Are you saying submission is preferable to extinction?", which is a quote from Saren on Virmire, I believe. I find it odd that this quote is fresh enough in Shepard's mind that s/he'd remember it in a talk with EDI.

I find it even more odd that the two endings we are putting forth as accepting Reaper indoctrination (in other words, submission) are the endings that DONT cause the extinction of the Reapers and the Geth.

If its all a hallucination/indoctrination, it could be Harbinger trying to convince Shepard that submission is indeed preferable to extinction, like Sovereign did to Saren.

[BlackDragonBane]

Militarized wrote...

My buddy just asked a question that was sort of a revelation to me now as well.

Why didn't Shepard just go to Ilos to get on the citadel if he needed to get into the Citadel so badly? It's a backdoor onto the Citadel....

Doesn't really add to the hallucination question though. Shepard is right next to Reaper tech when he gets blasted, maybe it's trying to invade his mind while he's knocked out?

The Conduit on Illos was rendered inactive after they jumped through it I believe. That thought does bring up an interesting question.

Why do we not hear anything more about Illos or are even able to visit the plaent? After Shepard chased Saren and the Geth through the Conduit, I would think the Alliance and the Council would have had a GREAT interst in such an intact Prothean site.

[lookingglassmind]

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Modifié par lookingglassmind, 12 mars 2012 - 02:09 .

[DifferentD17]

Did anyone notice the kid was standing outside in the beginning? I just did, I don't know what it means though. If it means anything of course.. lol

[Lugaidster]

BTW, Paragon has always been instinctive and represents a follow-your-principles stand. Renegade has always been pragmatic. Even the background alternatives represent that, one is a space hero, the other a sole survivor and finally ruthless which represents a get-the-job-done stand, whatever the cost.

Somehow, if you're paragon all the way, I just don't see how controlling the reapers is that option. It doesn't stay true to principles of Commander Shepard. On the other hand, destroying the reapers is not a calculated move, it's instinctive and principle-guided, clearly the colours are inverted.

[lookingglassmind]

Golferguy758 wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

The two discs you get for the PC version. Disc 2 is 6.08 gigs
Disc one is 7.81 gigs Essentially adds up to 14gigs if you include Origin. Now, Looking at the ME3 file on my computer I have a file that is 11 gigs in size. There are 3 gigabytes of information left on those discs.

Also, the amount of memory that the case says is required is 15 gigs. is there a way to check the size of files on a PS3/360 disc?

13 gigs required on the PS3. Total install: 11 gigs.

Aha... how....interesting!

But, honestly, I don't know what this proves. We'd have to get the input
from a programmer. Who knows where those gigs are going? Maybe, for the
PS3, the 2 missing gigs are used in save-game operations, etc? Or the
projected amount of space that BioWare anticipated that we'd need for
our amalgamated saves throughout the game?

I  know this extrapolation probably doesn't apply to other platforms, but I still have to question it.

[HairyMadDog1010]

There is just enough evidence from this thread and the vids posted here for me to use the indoctrination plot for all my endings, that is if the ending is not expanded apon. God BSN I love you now, you have brought me hope.

[Terryballer]

I just realized something. Not sure if anyone has brought it up yet, but the child says that Shepard is the first Organic to make it "this far", but shortly afterwards it shows that both the TIM and Anderson had made it "that far". VIA TIM trying to assume control and Anderson trying to shoot the destroy all reapers tube. And if that didn't happen and it was just a scene to show us what those characters would have chosen. Then as some people have already said, why is Anderson's choice renegade and the TIM's paragon?

[Bigdoser]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

I don't remember my renegade ever saying that she  supported/wanted to control the reapers the intimidate options with TIM is renegade shep pretty much shouting at TIM saying he is indoctrinated and that you are going to blow the reapers up and if you are not with me you are agaisnt me. 

Plus I picked the intimidate options with TIM at the end and renegade is pretty much be litteling TIM saying that he is wrong and that he is denial and he sacrificed too much for his own lust for power. Lets just say that TIM got pissed off instead of shooting himself in the head because he knew I was right he pushed anderson out of the way then I renegade int him and shot him.  


Both paragon and renegade shepard want to blow up the reapers. 

You are right about the TIM dialogue in the beginning, I misremembered.  Apologies!  But, in going with the topic, Renegade doesn't always mean kill and Paragon save.  The side mission with the Batarian terrorist is an example.  Paragon does a mercy kill and Renegade let's him suffer more.  The way that the choices are presented at the end is just a bit suspicious considering Shepard's motivations throughout the entire series.  Suddenly, saving the Reapers is presented as reasonable.

I took that batarian as if I mercy killed him there I would still be committing murder and that would just prove the batarian point before so I did not kill him. 

[BlackDragonBane]

-Insert random conspiracy theories because the forum double posted on me-

Modifié par BlackDragonBane, 12 mars 2012 - 02:13 .

[KaZZaPisGOD]

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite reasoning for what has happened

[TamiBx]

lookingglassmind wrote...

OT Question: Where are you guys getting your signature images from? I'd love one of the Canadian Fleet.

It's in some page back in 670 something on this thread http://social.biowar...916/776#9798383

[lookingglassmind]

KaZZaPisGOD wrote...

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite reasoning for what has happened

I am Garrus Vakarian, and this is now my favourite place on the BSN!

[Lambchopz]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

I made a video with the explanation of Indoctrination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch

Seems like all of this is happening to Shep towards the end of the game

I noticed this. Shepard is definitely in a fragile psychological state towards the end of the game, would have been a pretty prime opportunity for the Reapers to try and indocrinate him or at least trick him into picking bad choices.

I would be thoroughly impressed if BioWare went through with this... Even if this wasn't exactly their original vision, this would pretty much save the ending to this game if they followed this.

If this was their plan from the start, I would pretty much hail BioWare as devious gods of RPGs.

[Ecmoose]

Debi-Tage wrote...

lil_89 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Sharrack wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

k8ee wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand this common misconception that you destroy most technology.

The Catalyst outright says that it does.

No I'm pretty sure it destroys synthetic life...

Here, I made this for you.

k8ee wrote...

which is BS because how could the crucible know exactly what to kill over an entire galaxy

That's exactly what my problem would be with it destroying only the Reapers. Destroying all synthetic life and most technology in order to destroy the Reapers makes much more sense.

Okay, well I'll stop arguing with those people then who say all tech is destroyed, but God Child does not say that in every ending. I've beaten the game twice and he did not say it either time.

I wonder what the parameters are that you have to meet to alter that, because it seems like a fairly big distinction.

Some one would have to check this, but is it possible that destruction becomes more and more disagreeable depending on your EMS,

That's a good question but it wouldn't make sense for me. In my first playthrough I had over 5000 ems, in my second I had 4800.

Those are good EMSes.

Ellestor what was your EMS when God Child said "most of the technology you rely one"?

I got that speech too, about "most of your technology, including the geth" and i only had 3256 EMS. I think it has something to do with previous decisions, i for once rewrote the and Geth, Legion was loyal in me2 and made peace with quarians/geth in me3 + talked to EDI and unlocked her "special power", supported the claim that synthetic life is also life and was about 95% paragon, don't know, but it seems like these factors are more likely to have an impact on what GodChild says

I would agree. Your choices basically mirror mine regarding the Geth and your paragon %, but my EMS was 5200+ and I got the same spiel where the GodChild mentions the Geth, That made my paragon Shep think twice about the decision, and may be why it is there in the first place. Because someone with those choices may essentially consider the Geth a fledgling-sapient species and waiver from the destruction decision.

That can't be it though. Because I made the same choices as both of you (as far as Geth and EDI) with an EMS of way over 5000 and did not get that same speech. He mentions the Geth, yes, but not destroying all the tech. So we still don't know what makes him decide to tell you if it's just synthetic life that's destroyed or if he reveals the "all tech" bit.

[Bigdoser]

byne wrote...

I was just talking to EDI, and she said something that made Shepard ask "Are you saying submission is preferable to extinction?", which is a quote from Saren on Virmire, I believe. I find it odd that this quote is fresh enough in Shepard's mind that s/he'd remember it in a talk with EDI.

I find it even more odd that the two endings we are putting forth as accepting Reaper indoctrination (in other words, submission) are the endings that DONT cause the extinction of the Reapers and the Geth.

If its all a hallucination/indoctrination, it could be Harbinger trying to convince Shepard that submission is indeed preferable to extinction, like Sovereign did to Saren.

As renegade shepard pretty much says to TIM comprimising with the reapers is a sure fire way to get yourself Indoctrinated it was not those exact words but that's what it seemed like to me. Control and synthesis ending seems like comprimising to me. 

Modifié par Bigdoser, 12 mars 2012 - 02:14 .

[humes spork]

Oh, and has anyone played through as a Shepard who never had an LI? Maybe the extended Anderson dialog is for a "single" Shepard.

I have a Shepard who never had an LI, but I can't imagine Anderson, even mortally wounded, being so balls-out insane as to tell the extremist, human supremacist whose personal philosophy is "lead, follow, or die" she'd make a great mom.

[Lugaidster]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

The two discs you get for the PC version. Disc 2 is 6.08 gigs
Disc one is 7.81 gigs Essentially adds up to 14gigs if you include Origin. Now, Looking at the ME3 file on my computer I have a file that is 11 gigs in size. There are 3 gigabytes of information left on those discs.

Also, the amount of memory that the case says is required is 15 gigs. is there a way to check the size of files on a PS3/360 disc?

13 gigs required on the PS3. Total install: 11 gigs.

Aha... how....interesting!

But, honestly, I don't know what this proves. We'd have to get the input
from a programmer. Who knows where those gigs are going? Maybe, for the
PS3, the 2 missing gigs are used in save-game operations, etc? Or the
projected amount of space that BioWare anticipated that we'd need for
our amalgamated saves throughout the game?

I  know this extrapolation probably doesn't apply to other platforms, but I still have to question it.

I'd need like 1000 careers to get to 1 gig in the saves folder each of ones fully complete. However, it's completely possible that the extra space in the PC is required for temporary files during installation and playing. I honestly don't know. This isn't strong evidence for me though.

[PhazeDelta1]

if this turns to be a hallucination, bioware should get troll of the year award. GG

[Sl4sh3r]

lookingglassmind wrote...

OT Question: Where are you guys getting your signature images from? I'd love one of the Canadian Fleet.

http://social.biowar...5/index/9786308

I made a thread with all of the ones I've made so far.

Unfortunatedly they can't be displayed because I am using a new BSN account. Registered ME3 under the wrong Origin account.. DAMN YOU ORIGIN!

Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 12 mars 2012 - 02:15 .

[Debi-Tage]

I totally support this theory and not only for the plot-related nuances. I purposefully avoided reading spoilers and endgame leaks prior to playing ME3. I didn't by any means blow through the game and completed about 85% of the EMS-related side-quests. All in all I found myself face to face with the endgame in under 35 hours on Xbox CE (including the Prothean dlc). I was a bit miffed about this - seeing as how doing all the same type of things in ME2 clocked me at about 60 hours (including all DLC). Seems pretty slim in content for such an important installment in the series...

[krystalevenstar]

I think the biggest thing noticed today is all the cut dialogue. The 2 extended conversations of Male/Female shep with Anderson are extremely telling to me. They're finished clips of audio. There's no reason those aren't assets that could be used in a -true- ending.

[Zhuinden]

Lambchopz wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

I made a video with the explanation of Indoctrination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch

Seems like all of this is happening to Shep towards the end of the game

I noticed this. Shepard is definitely in a fragile psychological state towards the end of the game, would have been a pretty prime opportunity for the Reapers to try and indocrinate him or at least trick him into picking bad choices.

I would be thoroughly impressed if BioWare went through with this... Even if this wasn't exactly their original vision, this would pretty much save the ending to this game if they followed this.

If this was their plan from the start, I would pretty much hail BioWare as devious gods of RPGs.

Indeed. The plot twist was so subtle and intricate that it took a while to catch it!
I hope this was their plan, that would just make them awesome.

[Ecmoose]

Terryballer wrote...

I just realized something. Not sure if anyone has brought it up yet, but the child says that Shepard is the first Organic to make it "this far", but shortly afterwards it shows that both the TIM and Anderson had made it "that far". VIA TIM trying to assume control and Anderson trying to shoot the destroy all reapers tube. And if that didn't happen and it was just a scene to show us what those characters would have chosen. Then as some people have already said, why is Anderson's choice renegade and the TIM's paragon?

Well if this theory is true, it's because the reapers are trying to trick you into not killing them.