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[n00bsauce2010]

Big G13 wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

creiGn wrote...

 Well, it was quite obvious that they did not have a "secret ending" so to speak. Though i would not want to despise those who truly believed in IT, it was mostly grasping at straws unfortunately.

Besides, despite being a deus ex machina cliche(and of course the three colour thing), real major downside of the endings was lack of closure.

A few minor tweaks here and there and some closure should do just fine. For example; all starchild and stargazer stuff is quite meaningless and should be altered easily, thus making a good enough ending for the Mass Effect.


I'm not a Bioware fan anymore i think but, i also think we all should get over our disappointment and stop beating the crap out of them. They seem to be reacting to fanbase as best as they can. It has to count for something good when they have a company like EA looking over their shoulders.

Really. In ME1 we kicked the crap out of Sarin. In ME2 we took our crew through the Omega 4 relay and kicked the crap out of the collectors. In ME3 everyone who came to Earth to help us fight the reapers are now trapped there never to see their loved ones again. I realize your trying to be nice and I'm trying not to completely unload on you, but come on. This was worse than a bad ending. It was an ending full of hopelessness.

Exactly.

How exactly can this be clarified and provide me with personal closure.  My f@#@#$ LI is with Joker!  I "may" have taken a breath at the end?  So I'm either in space or somehow alive on Earth after being in space without a helmet and crashing through the atmosphere???  Then what about the relays?  What about...grrr.....

WHAT THE FREAKING FRAK!  Do we really need to explain to everybody that this ending CANNOT BE CLARIFIED.

::DEEP BREATH:: 

Ahem....sorry.  

I need something to put in my emergency induction port.

Sounds like someone is horny.

[mitthrawuodo]

if that had been the ending in the first place the hate may have been worse as people would accuse BW and EA of forcing to pay more money for a final ending

[Macgummi]

Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this sucks. But I think you guys are overreacting. This is a very bad sign, but it's not IT's tombstone. I want to focus on two points here.

1. PR speak isn't gamer speak. The people who write press releases and such aren't the same people who devoted half their lives to gaming. They think things like "cinematic sequences" are bullet points to sell a product. They likely don't understand that we're chomping at the bit for more gameplay and may think that's just implied.

2. The delay doesn't mean it wasn't planned. Games run on deadlines like anything else. ME3 was already delayed for quite a while before it hit the shelves. 6 months at least, I think? They may have prioritized. Release the game up until the indoctrination ending and then finish the post-indoctrination content afterwards. It makes sense in that it buys them some precious extra months to really finish the game. They just didn't expect the immense backlash. How could they? No one did. I've never heard of any game or even movie with an ending that so enraged its fanbase that major news networks covered it. That's unheardof.

I advise my faithful line-holding comrades in arms keyboards not to let this crush all hope. Step back and take a minute to consider the reasons this may not be what it seems at first glance. More importantly, take a look back at all the evidence that made you an IT believer in the first place. So much of it couldn't have been an accident, and so much of it would have been easy to remove if IT was scrapped. Weigh the possibility that all that was random chance versus the possibility that the press release was misleading/poorly worded/ect.

I haven't done the "holding the line" catchphrase yet, but I think this time I'll use it for emphasis. Harbinger himself will have to burn my lifeless corpse off the line.

Exactly my thoughts. We will have to wait until tomorrow, I still have hope.

[EpyonX3]

http://www.eurogamer...-3-extended-cut

[lex0r11]

Big G13 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Everytime people saying they are giving up, it's like our final push and with every bye bye post another soldier gets shot in the head right in front of me.

I don't get it. They have to say tomorrow "DLC will be without new gameplay".



Just wait...

now THATS an ending.

I will repost this picture until tomorrow, no one can stop me!

[DreamTension]

Dwailing wrote...

I had a thought. Just because we're getting new cutscenes, doesn't mean IT isn't true. It is still possible that we will get even more, especially considering there is still PAX tomorrow. IT FTW, Hold the Line!

No it doesn't void IT.  What it does prove is that IDT was not part of the package and I guess for the most part it does mean IDT wasn't planned.
We can maybe assume it was planned but it was too hard to include....I don't thinks so...

Now, what people are missing is that BioWare can still easily use this theory and move on with it.  But that's really sad to admit because that means BioWare honestly thought these endings (ed. ending) were good.  It's just sad sad sad.

As I have posted before, I just CANNOT see any explanation for the current ending.  Entirely too many pitfalls.

[Logistics00]

Just read the breaking news regarding the EA announcement. If this is the extent of their response, then I'll admit to some real disappointment. However, as of this point, that's not my take on things.

My personal take is we're being manipulated again, and everyone is *yet again* falling for it.

Today is Thursday, April 5th. Also known as Maundy Thursday. It's generally considered a rememberance of the Last Supper of Christ. However, it's also the point in the Gospel when Judas betrays Christ. It's one of the major 'low points' of the Gospel story. This is one of the lower points of the IT theory with this being announced strangely a day before a major gaming convention. The Christian themed portions of the ME universe have been extensive, and having this announcement over Holy Week and around Easter can't be sheer coincidence.

So, as of now, I'm going to interpret this as being in addition to whatever is going under wraps at PAX. If I'm deluding myself, then I suppose I'll be even more annoyed later. But for the moment, I'm going to keep the faith as it were.

[steve3194]

nyrocron wrote...

They keep ignoring direct questions via twitter...

/edit: Hmmm "additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes"

why seperate the two if the epilogue scenes do not contain gameplay?

yeah the only tweets they seem to respond to are those praising the ending and question about MP

[Rifneno]

EpyonX3 wrote...

http://www.eurogamer...-3-extended-cut

www.facepalm.com

[llbountyhunter]

DreamTension wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I had a thought. Just because we're getting new cutscenes, doesn't mean IT isn't true. It is still possible that we will get even more, especially considering there is still PAX tomorrow. IT FTW, Hold the Line!

No it doesn't void IT.  What it does prove is that IDT was not part of the package and I guess for the most part it does mean IDT wasn't planned.
We can maybe assume it was planned but it was too hard to include....I don't thinks so...

Now, what people are missing is that BioWare can still easily use this theory and move on with it.  But that's really sad to admit because that means BioWare honestly thought these endings (ed. ending) were good.  It's just sad sad sad.

As I have posted before, I just CANNOT see any explanation for the current ending.  Entirely too many pitfalls.

how does it mean ITD was not planned? they could of just modified ID or worked on it a bit more.

[DirtyPhoenix]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You know "additional scenes" can mean gameplay. For example:
Charging the teleporter is a scene
Standing up and shooting the three husketeers and marauder shields is a scene
Being on the Citadel is a scene

I agree, still having some hope.

[Nauks]

Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this sucks. But I think you guys are overreacting. This is a very bad sign, but it's not IT's tombstone. I want to focus on two points here.

1. PR speak isn't gamer speak. The people who write press releases and such aren't the same people who devoted half their lives to gaming. They think things like "cinematic sequences" are bullet points to sell a product. They likely don't understand that we're chomping at the bit for more gameplay and may think that's just implied.

2. The delay doesn't mean it wasn't planned. Games run on deadlines like anything else. ME3 was already delayed for quite a while before it hit the shelves. 6 months at least, I think? They may have prioritized. Release the game up until the indoctrination ending and then finish the post-indoctrination content afterwards. It makes sense in that it buys them some precious extra months to really finish the game. They just didn't expect the immense backlash. How could they? No one did. I've never heard of any game or even movie with an ending that so enraged its fanbase that major news networks covered it. That's unheardof.

I advise my faithful line-holding comrades in arms keyboards not to let this crush all hope. Step back and take a minute to consider the reasons this may not be what it seems at first glance. More importantly, take a look back at all the evidence that made you an IT believer in the first place. So much of it couldn't have been an accident, and so much of it would have been easy to remove if IT was scrapped. Weigh the possibility that all that was random chance versus the possibility that the press release was misleading/poorly worded/ect.

I haven't done the "holding the line" catchphrase yet, but I think this time I'll use it for emphasis. Harbinger himself will have to burn my lifeless corpse off the line.

Maker I hope you're right, and it does sounds very plausible.

[Silhouett3]

Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this sucks. But I think you guys are overreacting. This is a very bad sign, but it's not IT's tombstone. I want to focus on two points here.

1. PR speak isn't gamer speak. The people who write press releases and such aren't the same people who devoted half their lives to gaming. They think things like "cinematic sequences" are bullet points to sell a product. They likely don't understand that we're chomping at the bit for more gameplay and may think that's just implied.

2. The delay doesn't mean it wasn't planned. Games run on deadlines like anything else. ME3 was already delayed for quite a while before it hit the shelves. 6 months at least, I think? They may have prioritized. Release the game up until the indoctrination ending and then finish the post-indoctrination content afterwards. It makes sense in that it buys them some precious extra months to really finish the game. They just didn't expect the immense backlash. How could they? No one did. I've never heard of any game or even movie with an ending that so enraged its fanbase that major news networks covered it. That's unheardof.

....
....

Yes. This.

The announcement didn't disprove IT. Only thing it disproved is that the "true" ending was deliberately cut . The ending can still be designed to be interpreted as an indoctrination end. What the IT ending needed was clarification and closure, not another hour of gameplay.

[MegumiAzusa]

DreamTension wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I had a thought. Just because we're getting new cutscenes, doesn't mean IT isn't true. It is still possible that we will get even more, especially considering there is still PAX tomorrow. IT FTW, Hold the Line!

No it doesn't void IT.  What it does prove is that IDT was not part of the package and I guess for the most part it does mean IDT wasn't planned.
We can maybe assume it was planned but it was too hard to include....I don't thinks so...

Now, what people are missing is that BioWare can still easily use this theory and move on with it.  But that's really sad to admit because that means BioWare honestly thought these endings (ed. ending) were good.  It's just sad sad sad.

As I have posted before, I just CANNOT see any explanation for the current ending.  Entirely too many pitfalls.

Where does it say it wasn't planned from the beginning? In fact it can be the opposite:
"to provide
the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the
ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each
player"
This could read as "we wanted to do a general exposition about what really happened, but changed it to be a personalized exposition"

[Tirian Thorn]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You know "additional scenes" can mean gameplay. For example:
Charging the teleporter is a scene
Standing up and shooting the three husketeers and marauder shields is a scene
Being on the Citadel is a scene

The only time anyone has ever called me "sir" is when it includes "you're making a scene." 

[captainbob8383]

Rifneno wrote...

Okay, this sucks. But I think you guys are overreacting. This is a very bad sign, but it's not IT's tombstone. I want to focus on two points here.

1. PR speak isn't gamer speak. The people who write press releases and such aren't the same people who devoted half their lives to gaming. They think things like "cinematic sequences" are bullet points to sell a product. They likely don't understand that we're chomping at the bit for more gameplay and may think that's just implied.

2. The delay doesn't mean it wasn't planned. Games run on deadlines like anything else. ME3 was already delayed for quite a while before it hit the shelves. 6 months at least, I think? They may have prioritized. Release the game up until the indoctrination ending and then finish the post-indoctrination content afterwards. It makes sense in that it buys them some precious extra months to really finish the game. They just didn't expect the immense backlash. How could they? No one did. I've never heard of any game or even movie with an ending that so enraged its fanbase that major news networks covered it. That's unheardof.

I advise my faithful line-holding comrades in arms keyboards not to let this crush all hope. Step back and take a minute to consider the reasons this may not be what it seems at first glance. More importantly, take a look back at all the evidence that made you an IT believer in the first place. So much of it couldn't have been an accident, and so much of it would have been easy to remove if IT was scrapped. Weigh the possibility that all that was random chance versus the possibility that the press release was misleading/poorly worded/ect.

I haven't done the "holding the line" catchphrase yet, but I think this time I'll use it for emphasis. Harbinger himself will have to burn my lifeless corpse off the line.

Nice post, completely agree with you.
Actually this press release is not really different from what Ray Muzyka already said. He already announced this same DLC, and it was only two weeks after game release. Which is damn short.
For now I wont change my mind on that, you cant announce a DLC only two weeks after release unless it was already planned.
If IT is true, and regarding the huge fan backlash, they just cant screw up now, and they know it, which could explain why they would take their time and do a summer release.

But yeah, btw, let's wait for tomorrow.

Modifié par captainbob8383, 05 avril 2012 - 03:38 .

[Dwailing]

DreamTension wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I had a thought. Just because we're getting new cutscenes, doesn't mean IT isn't true. It is still possible that we will get even more, especially considering there is still PAX tomorrow. IT FTW, Hold the Line!

No it doesn't void IT.  What it does prove is that IDT was not part of the package and I guess for the most part it does mean IDT wasn't planned.
We can maybe assume it was planned but it was too hard to include....I don't thinks so...

Now, what people are missing is that BioWare can still easily use this theory and move on with it.  But that's really sad to admit because that means BioWare honestly thought these endings (ed. ending) were good.  It's just sad sad sad.

As I have posted before, I just CANNOT see any explanation for the current ending.  Entirely too many pitfalls.

Wait, this doesn't mean IT wasn't planned from the start.  The reason I say this is because the endings being an Indoc attempt wouldn't have the same impact if it just went from explosion cutscene to breath cutscene to game.  This way, we had to THINK about the "endings" instead of just saying, "Oh, they tried to Indoc us.  Woop de doo.  Let's get this over with."

Modifié par Dwailing, 05 avril 2012 - 03:39 .

[DreamTension]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I had a thought. Just because we're getting new cutscenes, doesn't mean IT isn't true. It is still possible that we will get even more, especially considering there is still PAX tomorrow. IT FTW, Hold the Line!

No it doesn't void IT.  What it does prove is that IDT was not part of the package and I guess for the most part it does mean IDT wasn't planned.
We can maybe assume it was planned but it was too hard to include....I don't thinks so...

Now, what people are missing is that BioWare can still easily use this theory and move on with it.  But that's really sad to admit because that means BioWare honestly thought these endings (ed. ending) were good.  It's just sad sad sad.

As I have posted before, I just CANNOT see any explanation for the current ending.  Entirely too many pitfalls.

Where does it say it wasn't planned from the beginning? In fact it can be the opposite:
"to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each player"

This could read as "we wanted to do a general exposition about what really happened, but changed it to be a personalized exposition"

Possible.  I'm still trying to stay positive about this.  I do not see this announcement as a nail in the coffin for IDT, but it certainly doesn't help.

Man...you're really optimistic that BioWare plans on doing something really big.  Here's hoping.

[llbountyhunter]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You know "additional scenes" can mean gameplay. For example:
Charging the teleporter is a scene
Standing up and shooting the three husketeers and marauder shields is a scene
Being on the Citadel is a scene

The only time anyone has ever called me "sir" is when it includes "you're making a scene." 

lol. and isnt the whole cod game considered a "cinematic experience?"

[nyrocron]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I had a thought. Just because we're getting new cutscenes, doesn't mean IT isn't true. It is still possible that we will get even more, especially considering there is still PAX tomorrow. IT FTW, Hold the Line!

No it doesn't void IT.  What it does prove is that IDT was not part of the package and I guess for the most part it does mean IDT wasn't planned.
We can maybe assume it was planned but it was too hard to include....I don't thinks so...

Now, what people are missing is that BioWare can still easily use this theory and move on with it.  But that's really sad to admit because that means BioWare honestly thought these endings (ed. ending) were good.  It's just sad sad sad.

As I have posted before, I just CANNOT see any explanation for the current ending.  Entirely too many pitfalls.

Where does it say it wasn't planned from the beginning? In fact it can be the opposite:
"to provide
the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the
ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each
player"
This could read as "we wanted to do a general exposition about what really happened, but changed it to be a personalized exposition"

true.

[Ravel1992]

I see it is really easy to break your hope.

Wait for PAX people.

Hold the line.

[llbountyhunter]

Ravel1992 wrote...

I see it is really easy to break your hope.

Wait for PAX people.

Hold the line.

its just another test.

[Dwailing]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Ravel1992 wrote...

I see it is really easy to break your hope.

Wait for PAX people.

Hold the line.

its just another test.

Agreed.

[CaliGuy033]

This announcement isn't what killed IT; IT was dead from the moment it was imagined by a bunch of overly emotional fans.

But this announcement does make the continued "support" of IT even more ridiculous. So, that's good, I guess.

[steve3194]

Logistics00 wrote...

Just read the breaking news regarding the EA announcement. If this is the extent of their response, then I'll admit to some real disappointment. However, as of this point, that's not my take on things.

My personal take is we're being manipulated again, and everyone is *yet again* falling for it.

Today is Thursday, April 5th. Also known as Maundy Thursday. It's generally considered a rememberance of the Last Supper of Christ. However, it's also the point in the Gospel when Judas betrays Christ. It's one of the major 'low points' of the Gospel story. This is one of the lower points of the IT theory with this being announced strangely a day before a major gaming convention. The Christian themed portions of the ME universe have been extensive, and having this announcement over Holy Week and around Easter can't be sheer coincidence.

So, as of now, I'm going to interpret this as being in addition to whatever is going under wraps at PAX. If I'm deluding myself, then I suppose I'll be even more annoyed later. But for the moment, I'm going to keep the faith as it were.

Nice theory there it actually makes sense.

How likely it is however.........

But I'll not give up until tommorow

If theres any bright side to this it's that least they have the decency not to charge us for the dlc