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[balance5050]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Never before have so many come together from all quarters of the globe. But never before have we faced an enemy such as this. The Trolls will show us no mercy, we must give them no quarter. They will terrorize our beliefs. We must stand fast in the face of that terror. They will advance until our last believer falls, but we will not fall. We will prevail. Each of us will be defined by our actions in the coming day. Stand fast, stand strong. Stand together. MassEffectFan11 out.

[nyrocron]

RiGoRmOrTiS_UK wrote...

Hate to say I told you so (after you all jumped on me for voicing my doubt over IT) but.. I told you so.

Bioware don't do sutble, clever foreshadowing. Basic structured stories with agressive twists are what they use to do so I knew IT was beyond their abilities and now we have confirmation.

Nothing can totally explain away their current ending, we know it, they know it. Clarification will be insufficient and wafer thin and will never address the pre-launch lies from Casey and Mac.

Did you play KotOR? Obviously not.

[Freckle Face]

monrapias wrote...

If the cinematics (or whatever) explains all the space magic and the other things, I'll be happy.

But I don't see how they can do that.

^^^ agree 100%. As cool as I think the IT is, I'd be just as happy if the ending was real but actually made sense, and gave us some kind of context from which we can extrapolate for ourselves what might have happened to the galaxy. As it stands now, up is down and we have no concept of what the rules even are anymore.

Personally, I think that they'll explain things enough to pacify us, but still leave it open enough that theories like IT can still thrive. I personally think this is what they wanted all along... in the words of Mac Walters himself: "Lots of speculation for EVERYBODY"

[Big G13]

Logistics00 wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Good luck keeping that artistic vision without any fans.

That 'artistic vision' they keep harping on about?

I think half of that is what is going to be revealed at Pax. I think we'll get a our more definitive ending, but that's only half the story.

The other half is everyone's reaction here on the forums and gaming sites. They're playing everyone like a harp and no one see's it. We're playing out the Christian morality play before our own eyes and can't see it. As I posted a little earlier, today is Maundy Thursday. The date of the last Supper, Judas's betrayal of Christ. I also refer everyone to this portion of the Gospel of Matthew:

--
Matthew 26:31 Then Jesus said to them, "You will all become deserters because of me this night; for it is written,
'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

32 But after I am raised up, I will go ahead of you to Galilee."

33 Peter said to him, "Though all become deserters because of you, I will never desert you." 34 Jesus said to him, "Truly I tell you, this very night, before the **** crows, you will deny me three times." 35 Peter said to him, "Even though I must die with you, I will not deny you." And so said all the disciples.

So, everyone here has suddenly started doubting after managing to convince ourselves with solid logic and a strong theory on the VERY DAY Peter historically (the most faithful of Jesus's disciples) lost his own faith.

Something is up.

That is very cool. However, call me Thomas, but Jesus never sowed the seeds of doubt on his own web site.

[DreamTension]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

This press release only did one thing: confirm free DLC and confirm NO NEW ENDING.  That means what we saw either happened or there's another explanation.  We are still thinking there's another explanation because frankly I cannot explain what I saw.  I cannot find any rationale to each of the events.  I have no idea how they can explain it, clarify it, and provide any sort of closure. 

So keep on being a hater on a post that is to discuss a theory that believes there's another explanation.

You didn't answer my question, but okay.

I'm not being a hater.  I'm being realistic.  I'm sorry that you cannot "explain" what you saw--I really am.  But it is what it is.  It's a nice, well-thought-out piece of fan fiction.  Nothing more.

You are asking me to explain what BioWare is doing?  How exactly do I answer what a company I do not work for or have any connection to is going to do?  There press releases are hell-bent on clarify, (ed. personal) closure, and artistic integrity as speaking points.


So what can they do in my opinion?  Yeah, they can do a cinematic scene that (if you have high enough War Assets and picked Destroy) that you take the fight to the Reapers and end the threat.  Would I like a gameplay element?  OF COURSE!  But they could simply show the fight, all the fleets shooting the Reapers and winning.  Then you meet up with crew, LI, and perhaps happily ever after OR you die fighting.  

Now, YOU explain to me how they are going to clarify and provide closure with the ending as is. 

[TheVolusSuck]

llbountyhunter wrote...

TheVolusSuck wrote...

Phoenix92254 wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the
end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will
expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

"Obviously this doesn't disprove IT." -- somebody in denial

You do, of course, realize that IT never changed the endings, it just made them make sense. All IT is, is expanding on the current endings. This annoucement doesn't disprove it at all.

This. The extended cut easily could just be three (or more) extended cut scenes after Shepard wakes from Indoctrination and they all could be based on the choice you made in the Crucible. The IT was never going to change the ending just give another a new understanding context.

Right now, the ending is shepard is either dead or half-dead in god knows where; the Mass relays are destroyed; and your crew is stranded in the middle of Nowhere.  Do you not understand what the word change means?  The star child scene was the ending.  Saying the starchild never exisisted would infact CHANGE THE ENDINGS.  Having shepard wake up and kick ass would CHANGE THE ENDINGS.  Having the current ending be a "dream" would CHANGE THE ENDINGS.

does having a dream change the fact that you had a dream? 

you only change your perception- NOT reality.

I think we need some definitions to some of the key words here.  I dont think you understand.

Ending- The final or concluding part.
Change- To become Altered or Modified

Now please do explain how saying it was all just a dream does not ALTER the CONLCLUSION (Relays blowing up, crew stranded, shepard as good as dead) that we were supplied with?

I want nothing more for IT to be true, believe me.  But unless you want to completley ignore what Bioware and EA are saying, its hard to keep believe it will make it into DLC.

[llbountyhunter]

TheVolusSuck wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

TheVolusSuck wrote...

Phoenix92254 wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the 
end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will 
expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

"Obviously this doesn't disprove IT." -- somebody in denial

You do, of course, realize that IT never changed the endings, it just made them make sense. All IT is, is expanding on the current endings. This annoucement doesn't disprove it at all.

This. The extended cut easily could just be three (or more) extended cut scenes after Shepard wakes from Indoctrination and they all could be based on the choice you made in the Crucible. The IT was never going to change the ending just give another a new understanding context.

Right now, the ending is shepard is either dead or half-dead in god knows where; the Mass relays are destroyed; and your crew is stranded in the middle of Nowhere.  Do you not understand what the word change means?  The star child scene was the ending.  Saying the starchild never exisisted would infact CHANGE THE ENDINGS.  Having shepard wake up and kick ass would CHANGE THE ENDINGS.  Having the current ending be a "dream" would CHANGE THE ENDINGS.

does having a dream change the fact that you had a dream? 

you only change your perception- NOT reality.

I think we need some definitions to some of the key words here.  I dont think you understand.

Ending- The final or concluding part.
Change- To become Altered or Modified

Now please do explain how saying it was all just a dream does not ALTER the CONLCLUSION (Relays blowing up, crew stranded, shepard as good as dead) that we were supplied with?

I want nothing more for IT to be true, believe me.  But unless you want to completley ignore what Bioware and EA are saying, its hard to keep believe it will make it into DLC.

your not changing the ending- only what you THINK was the ending, so you change your ideas- not the actuall ending.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 05 avril 2012 - 04:24 .

[MassEffectFan11]

TheVolusSuck wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

TheVolusSuck wrote...

Phoenix92254 wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the
end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will
expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

"Obviously this doesn't disprove IT." -- somebody in denial

You do, of course, realize that IT never changed the endings, it just made them make sense. All IT is, is expanding on the current endings. This annoucement doesn't disprove it at all.

This. The extended cut easily could just be three (or more) extended cut scenes after Shepard wakes from Indoctrination and they all could be based on the choice you made in the Crucible. The IT was never going to change the ending just give another a new understanding context.

Right now, the ending is shepard is either dead or half-dead in god knows where; the Mass relays are destroyed; and your crew is stranded in the middle of Nowhere.  Do you not understand what the word change means?  The star child scene was the ending.  Saying the starchild never exisisted would infact CHANGE THE ENDINGS.  Having shepard wake up and kick ass would CHANGE THE ENDINGS.  Having the current ending be a "dream" would CHANGE THE ENDINGS.

does having a dream change the fact that you had a dream? 

you only change your perception- NOT reality.

I think we need some definitions to some of the key words here.  I dont think you understand.

Ending- The final or concluding part.
Change- To become Altered or Modified

Now please do explain how saying it was all just a dream does not ALTER the CONLCLUSION (Relays blowing up, crew stranded, shepard as good as dead) that we were supplied with?

I want nothing more for IT to be true, believe me.  But unless you want to completley ignore what Bioware and EA are saying, its hard to keep believe it will make it into DLC.

It's not like Bioware and EA have been completely honest about everything involving ME3 anyway. Regardless, like I said before, you CANNOT have ANY ending-related DLC without somehow changing what they have already. You have to understand that first, then you see why IT could still be true. It's expanding on the ending, not full-on changing it. There is no way to have ending DLC without changing something in some way, so what Bioware said is already inherently a lie, whether or not they realize it.

[Capeo]

IT is done. Check out the BW blog Extended Cut FAQs. They are not changing the endings and they are not doing anything besides some cinematics. Can this finally be put to bed now?

[DreamTension]

TheVolusSuck wrote...
Change- 
to become altered or modified: Colors change if they areexposed to the sun

Ending- 
the final or concluding part; conclusion: a story with a happyending.

Now
please explain how IT does not ALTER THE CONLCUDING PART?  In my
opinion, saying it was all a dream does in fact alter the conclusion we
were given.

It doesn't change the fact that the ending happened.  Nobody who believes in the IDT says the ending would CHANGE. 

I think what you are saying is that BioWare is not ALTERING the ending, but that's is not true...The Press Release has even said they are going to clarify and EXPAND on the ending so by that very statement the current ENDING is no longer the ENDING because they will expand on it.

[Wynne]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

IT is fan fiction.  It was not and will never be Bioware's intended ending for this game.  This was quite clear before today, and now it is abundantly clear.  

That said, I understand why people are clinging on to it until they absolutely have to let go.  This phenomenon happens all the damn time in all walks of life.  People will continue to claim it's "possible" and "we still don't know anything" for as long as they can.

Quite consciously, and not out of desperation or hope, I will continue to cling to this "fanfiction" as my headcanon even if the DLC just reaffirms the crap we've already seen.

Why? Because it is currently the only thing that makes ANY kind of sense or at all redeems the endings whatsoever.  

It might be true, however thin a theory it may seem at the moment, and even if it's not, it's better than what we got. No reason not to hold on. 

Modifié par Wynne, 05 avril 2012 - 04:30 .

[CaliGuy033]

DreamTension wrote...

Seriously, that's trolling. 

I'm sorry that you get all sandy when somebody calls out your hilarious conspiracy theories.  

But hey, at least you've found a cute little meaningless word to throw around at your leisure.  "Troll!!!!"

[R3MUS]

Yes, and this thread needs to be locked now.

And all the whiny fans screaming and yelling can now rest and move on to other games.

[McGrzegorz]

Freckle Face wrote...

https://twitter.com/...929762017193984

I don't know about you guys, but that makes me pretty hopeful that we're going to get more than just a few cutscenes. I personally don't think we can look forward to any more gameplay (unfortunately), but at least that suggests that things may be actually explained, in a way that would require Shepard talking through something with someone? Am I reaching for straws here?

See, that's not even funny... It's toying with people...
But like I said before I'll wait till tomorrow.

[DreamTension]

Capeo wrote...

IT is done. Check out the BW blog Extended Cut FAQs. They are not changing the endings and they are not doing anything besides some cinematics. Can this finally be put to bed now?

I think you do not know what IDT actually would imply.  Cinematics would be enough.  See my post above.

[biiskit]

The level of faith on display here would put a fundamentalist christian to shame.

[Kyzee]

 Here's a bit from Mike Gamble's Twitter: twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/187929762017193984

So apparently Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale are going to have parts in the DLC. Could mean anything, yes, but I think it's another reason way people should calm down about the Extended Cut announcement.

And yeah, the DLC's free, so maybe we can also put the whole "BiOwArE iS EVIL!!" thing to bed too? 

[TheVolusSuck]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

TheVolusSuck wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

TheVolusSuck wrote...

Phoenix92254 wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the
end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will
expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

"Obviously this doesn't disprove IT." -- somebody in denial

You do, of course, realize that IT never changed the endings, it just made them make sense. All IT is, is expanding on the current endings. This annoucement doesn't disprove it at all.

This. The extended cut easily could just be three (or more) extended cut scenes after Shepard wakes from Indoctrination and they all could be based on the choice you made in the Crucible. The IT was never going to change the ending just give another a new understanding context.

Right now, the ending is shepard is either dead or half-dead in god knows where; the Mass relays are destroyed; and your crew is stranded in the middle of Nowhere.  Do you not understand what the word change means?  The star child scene was the ending.  Saying the starchild never exisisted would infact CHANGE THE ENDINGS.  Having shepard wake up and kick ass would CHANGE THE ENDINGS.  Having the current ending be a "dream" would CHANGE THE ENDINGS.

does having a dream change the fact that you had a dream? 

you only change your perception- NOT reality.

I think we need some definitions to some of the key words here.  I dont think you understand.

Ending- The final or concluding part.
Change- To become Altered or Modified

Now please do explain how saying it was all just a dream does not ALTER the CONLCLUSION (Relays blowing up, crew stranded, shepard as good as dead) that we were supplied with?

I want nothing more for IT to be true, believe me.  But unless you want to completley ignore what Bioware and EA are saying, its hard to keep believe it will make it into DLC.

It's not like Bioware and EA have been completely honest about everything involving ME3 anyway. Regardless, like I said before, you CANNOT have ANY ending-related DLC without somehow changing what they have already. You have to understand that first, then you see why IT could still be true. It's expanding on the ending, not full-on changing it. There is no way to have ending DLC without changing something in some way, so what Bioware said is already inherently a lie, whether or not they realize it.

when you're argument is that bioware is lying, you know you are grasping at emergency induction ports.

I made this account soley to post in this thread after I beat ME3.  And in all honesty, I wont be surprised if IT is always going to be my head cannon as it made so much sense.  Yes, IT could infact keep the current endings in the game and still function.  But in doing so, a new ending would be created.  The end is the conclusion of a story.  Adding more shepard related scenes would infact add a new conclusion to the story.

[OriginalTibs]

Unless we somehow gained a controlling interest in EA stock we will not change their values and priorities.

There are things we can change, and things we cannot.

Have the wisdom to know the difference.

We can change our buying habits, I suppose, and hope for an eventual positive outcome in this matter.

EA is banking that we will forget their misapprehension of business priorities just as soon as they release another title.

It is for each person to evaluate their own values and determine their own behavior.

For myself I will make a final decision when I see what they release as their 'artistic vision'. As it is, I cannot have evidence whether the 'artistic vision' was forceably altered by a meataxe of a management decision because the writers are all under NDA and cannot tell us what may really have happened.

We may never discover whether the official line is the full truth without someone violating their contract and speaking freely, and I would not wish that on anyone with the character to try it.

Modifié par OriginalTibs, 05 avril 2012 - 04:32 .

[Capeo]

DreamTension wrote...

Capeo wrote...

IT is done. Check out the BW blog Extended Cut FAQs. They are not changing the endings and they are not doing anything besides some cinematics. Can this finally be put to bed now?

I think you do not know what IDT actually would imply.  Cinematics would be enough.  See my post above.

Oh... my... God!!! Go read the BW blog.  They say outright that there will be NO CHANGES to how the game ends and are standing by the artistic integrity of the endings as they are now.

[llbountyhunter]

"I think we need some definitions to some of the key words here. I dont think you understand.

Ending- The final or concluding part.
Change- To become Altered or Modified

Now please do explain how saying it was all just a dream does not ALTER the CONLCLUSION (Relays blowing up, crew stranded, shepard as good as dead) that we were supplied with?I want nothing more for IT to be true, believe me. But unless you want to completley ignore what Bioware and EA are saying, its hard to keep believe it will make it into DLC"





let me explain further. 

you see advertisment of a prius out racing a ferrari.... then you realize the video was docterd, the ferrari actually won and you were fooled

what really happended?????

the ferrair won since the begining, hence the conlusion DIDNT change.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 05 avril 2012 - 04:31 .

[nyrocron]

Seriously. All the indoctrination theory is about is expanding on the ending. Now they announce to expand on the ending and everyone says IT is disproved. How?

[MassEffectFan11]

ConVito wrote...

Capeo wrote...

IT is done. Check out the BW blog Extended Cut FAQs. They are not changing the endings and they are not doing anything besides some cinematics. Can this finally be put to bed now?

No, but you can leave. It would have the same effect. We'd all be happy and you could pretend you never saw this thread.

I love how I read that in Joker's voice and it still sounds like something he would say.

[DreamTension]

TheVolusSuck wrote...

when you're argument is that bioware is lying, you know you are grasping at emergency induction ports.

I made this account soley to post in this thread after I beat ME3.  And in all honesty, I wont be surprised if IT is always going to be my head cannon as it made so much sense.  Yes, IT could infact keep the current endings in the game and still function.  But in doing so, a new ending would be created.  The end is the conclusion of a story.  Adding more shepard related scenes would infact add a new conclusion to the story.

"Adding more shepard related scenes would infact add a new conclusion to the story."  You mean EXACTLY what BioWare has said they were doing?