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Capeo wrote...

Oh... my... God!!! Go read the BW blog.  They say outright that there will be NO CHANGES to how the game ends and are standing by the artistic integrity of the endings as they are now.


Bro, I suggest you just sit back, relax, and watch human psychology at work.  Grab a beer and pull up a lawn chair.  It is truly a sight to behold.

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What people don't seem to realize is that IT can still be true with BW only adding cinematics, conversations, cutscenes, etc. If it's all a "dream," what happens in said dream could actually still be the real "end boss." After that, there's no more gameplay, just some clarification of what happened and then your EMS determines what the Crucible does. Or there could be another choice. My point is it's still possible.

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Capeo wrote...

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Capeo wrote...

IT is done. Check out the BW blog Extended Cut FAQs. They are not changing the endings and they are not doing anything besides some cinematics. Can this finally be put to bed now?


I think you do not know what IDT actually would imply.  Cinematics would be enough.  See my post above.


Oh... my... God!!! Go read the BW blog.  They say outright that there will be NO CHANGES to how the game ends and are standing by the artistic integrity of the endings as they are now.


You are saying something is done, when nothing BioWare has said has confirmed that.  I'm just saying to hold off.

You can not like it or not want it, but I don't see how it's been confirmed done.  That's all

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DreamTension wrote...

TheVolusSuck wrote...

when you're argument is that bioware is lying, you know you are grasping at emergency induction ports.

I made this account soley to post in this thread after I beat ME3.  And in all honesty, I wont be surprised if IT is always going to be my head cannon as it made so much sense.  Yes, IT could infact keep the current endings in the game and still function.  But in doing so, a new ending would be created.  The end is the conclusion of a story.  Adding more shepard related scenes would infact add a new conclusion to the story.



"Adding more shepard related scenes would infact add a new conclusion to the story."  You mean EXACTLY what BioWare has said they were doing? 


Did you read the FAQ?  Let me quote for you:

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]

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biiskit wrote...

The level of faith on display here would put a fundamentalist christian to shame.

I'm working on my N7 burka as we speak.

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What??

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't gameplay sections from other games been described as "cinematic sequences" in the past?

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Wynne wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

IT is fan fiction.  It was not and will never be Bioware's intended ending for this game.  This was quite clear before today, and now it is abundantly clear.  

That said, I understand why people are clinging on to it until they absolutely have to let go.  This phenomenon happens all the damn time in all walks of life.  People will continue to claim it's "possible" and "we still don't know anything" for as long as they can.

Quite consciously, and not out of desperation or hope, I will continue to cling to this "fanfiction" as my headcanon even if the DLC just reaffirms the crap we've already seen.

Why? Because it is currently the only thing that makes ANY kind of sense or at all redeems the endings whatsoever.  

It might be true, however thin a theory it may seem at the moment, and even if it's not, it's better than what we got. No reason not to hold on. 


Absolutely nothing wrong with this.  Hell, not that you care, but I respect you for taking this approach.  

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ConVito wrote...

What people don't seem to realize is that IT can still be true with BW only adding cinematics, conversations, cutscenes, etc. If it's all a "dream," what happens in said dream could actually still be the real "end boss." After that, there's no more gameplay, just some clarification of what happened and then your EMS determines what the Crucible does. Or there could be another choice. My point is it's still possible.


I'll do the same for you:

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]

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CaliGuy033 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Oh... my... God!!! Go read the BW blog.  They say outright that there will be NO CHANGES to how the game ends and are standing by the artistic integrity of the endings as they are now.


Bro, I suggest you just sit back, relax, and watch human psychology at work.  Grab a beer and pull up a lawn chair.  It is truly a sight to behold.


yes its quite intersting to watch from this side as well.

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Capeo wrote...

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Capeo wrote...

IT is done. Check out the BW blog Extended Cut FAQs. They are not changing the endings and they are not doing anything besides some cinematics. Can this finally be put to bed now?


I think you do not know what IDT actually would imply.  Cinematics would be enough.  See my post above.


Oh... my... God!!! Go read the BW blog.  They say outright that there will be NO CHANGES to how the game ends and are standing by the artistic integrity of the endings as they are now.


I'm not going to spam this message board witha duplicate of the 500 posts already out about how the statement you just made is completely unrelated to the discussion. So go read up.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't gameplay sections from other games been described as "cinematic sequences" in the past?


No.  Cinematics are unplayable by definition.  Read the friggin' FAQ.  It's quite clear.

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biiskit wrote...

The level of faith on display here would put a fundamentalist christian to shame.



I find your lack of faith disturbing.

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Capeo wrote...

ConVito wrote...

What people don't seem to realize is that IT can still be true with BW only adding cinematics, conversations, cutscenes, etc. If it's all a "dream," what happens in said dream could actually still be the real "end boss." After that, there's no more gameplay, just some clarification of what happened and then your EMS determines what the Crucible does. Or there could be another choice. My point is it's still possible.


I'll do the same for you:

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]



does IT change the endings? NO

what exaclty does IT do? expand on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by providing additional clarity and closure 

hope this helps.:)

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 05 avril 2012 - 04:37 .


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biiskit wrote...

The level of faith on display here would put a fundamentalist christian to shame.


^^^LOL

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Capeo, have you read what you're quoting?

It doesn't end on "additional cinematics". It also has "and epilogue scenes". So there are cinematics AND there are scenes in the epilogue that aren't cinematics.

Of course, it might be just poorly worded, but usuing it as a final argument isn't a good idea.

EDIT: spelling

Modifié par Shooter__Andy, 05 avril 2012 - 04:40 .


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llbountyhunter wrote...

Capeo wrote...

ConVito wrote...

What people don't seem to realize is that IT can still be true with BW only adding cinematics, conversations, cutscenes, etc. If it's all a "dream," what happens in said dream could actually still be the real "end boss." After that, there's no more gameplay, just some clarification of what happened and then your EMS determines what the Crucible does. Or there could be another choice. My point is it's still possible.


I'll do the same for you:

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]



does IT change the endings? NO

what exaclty does IT do? expand on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by providing additional clarity and closure 

hope this helps.:)


It does help. For a rational person anyway. For someone who doesn't actually want to listen, you're just talking to a wall.

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None of you understand, or at least most on either side of the debate. "Artistic integrity" means the indoctrination interpretation should stand without making an ending that says "woops he's indoctrinated, sorry: have another go. YOU WIN." It means the interpretation is valid, but the face-value ending is prima facie valid as well. They're simply going to try to sell the face-value ending to the fans, make it more acceptable, easier to swallow. They never intended to release any DLC on the ending, and those adherents of IT who believed in it because "the true ending" would come only have themselves to blame for their naivety. The gloaters are even more stupid, because if they understood the theory they would understand it's an interpretation.

Bioware tried to make Total Recall, and failed.

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Capeo wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't gameplay sections from other games been described as "cinematic sequences" in the past?


No.  Cinematics are unplayable by definition.  Read the friggin' FAQ.  It's quite clear.


Aww....man, don't act like a Catalyst. It will be funny if Bioware is testing us in a last hours, they are watchin how we can "fight" their "indocrination". Still opposing reapers, be strong mate, nothing is over, fight is still going....but now warfare is in our minds. Hold your position soldier!

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ConVito wrote...

What people don't seem to realize is that IT can still be true with BW only adding cinematics, conversations, cutscenes, etc. If it's all a "dream," what happens in said dream could actually still be the real "end boss." After that, there's no more gameplay, just some clarification of what happened and then your EMS determines what the Crucible does. Or there could be another choice. My point is it's still possible.



People are jumping to the conclusion that they know exactly that the added scenes will invalidate the IT for sure, but for all we know they might make it clearer. There's no need to freak out just yet. 

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llbountyhunter wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Oh... my... God!!! Go read the BW blog.  They say outright that there will be NO CHANGES to how the game ends and are standing by the artistic integrity of the endings as they are now.


Bro, I suggest you just sit back, relax, and watch human psychology at work.  Grab a beer and pull up a lawn chair.  It is truly a sight to behold.


yes its quite intersting to watch from this side as well.


My god, what are you even saying?  

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llbountyhunter wrote...



let me explain further. 

you see advertisment of a prius out racing a ferrari.... then you realize the video was docterd, the ferrari actually won and you were fooled

what really happended?????

the ferrair won since the begining, hence the conlusion DIDNT change.




When they say "the endings wont be changed" I get the impression that they will still be the endings, however, I do see how it could mean "The endings wont be changed, but we may pile some **** after them that would make the previous ending no longer the end of the story."  Seriously, **** PR SPEAK.  I personally think this is a long shot that IT is true.  Its better to be spcetical and not be dissappointed than to be fanatical and be dissappointed, atleast in my book.


Heres to hoping im wrong and IT is played out miraculously... I just think that this concrete announcment is not a good omen.  I am not jumping ship (Not til after tomorrow anyway:P), Im just wary and cautious.  Bioware broke my heart once, I wont let it happen again. 

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Hey guys, could someone point out exactly where bioware says in that article that the indoctrination theory isn't true. All I see is them saying they're releasing new dlc that will clarify the ending through more scenes and tht they're releasing it in the summer.

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None of you understand, or at least most on either side of the debate. "Artistic integrity" means the indoctrination interpretation should stand without making an ending that says "woops he's indoctrinated, sorry: have another go. YOU WIN." It means the interpretation is valid, but the face-value ending is prima facie valid as well. They're simply going to try to sell the face-value ending to the fans, make it more acceptable, easier to swallow. They never intended to release any DLC on the ending, and those adherents of IT who believed in it because "the true ending" would come only have themselves to blame for their naivety. The gloaters are even more stupid, because if they understood the theory they would understand it's an interpretation.

Bioware tried to make Total Recall, and failed.