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Capeo wrote...
pirate1802 wrote...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't gameplay sections from other games been described as "cinematic sequences" in the past?
No. Cinematics are unplayable by definition. Read the friggin' FAQ. It's quite clear.
lex0r11 wrote...
Guys, no need to fight! This community is awesome!
Everyone gather in for a group hug!
ConVito wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
Capeo wrote...
ConVito wrote...
What people don't seem to realize is that IT can still be true with BW only adding cinematics, conversations, cutscenes, etc. If it's all a "dream," what happens in said dream could actually still be the real "end boss." After that, there's no more gameplay, just some clarification of what happened and then your EMS determines what the Crucible does. Or there could be another choice. My point is it's still possible.
I'll do the same for you:
Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]
does IT change the endings? NO
what exaclty does IT do? expand on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by providing additional clarity and closure
hope this helps.
It does help. For a rational person anyway. For someone who doesn't actually want to listen, you're just talking to a wall.
Michael Gamble
wrote...
Extended cut was one of the things I alluded to. We are working our butts off to make this amazing, gratifying, and over to you ASAP.
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CaliGuy033 wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
CaliGuy033 wrote...
Capeo wrote...
Oh... my... God!!! Go read the BW blog. They say outright that there will be NO CHANGES to how the game ends and are standing by the artistic integrity of the endings as they are now.
Bro, I suggest you just sit back, relax, and watch human psychology at work. Grab a beer and pull up a lawn chair. It is truly a sight to behold.
yes its quite intersting to watch from this side as well.
My god, what are you even saying?
legaldinho wrote...
None of you understand, or at least most on either side of the debate. "Artistic integrity" means the indoctrination interpretation should stand without making an ending that says "woops he's indoctrinated, sorry: have another go. YOU WIN." It means the interpretation is valid, but the face-value ending is prima facie valid as well. They're simply going to try to sell the face-value ending to the fans, make it more acceptable, easier to swallow. They never intended to release any DLC on the ending, and those adherents of IT who believed in it because "the true ending" would come only have themselves to blame for their naivety. The gloaters are even more stupid, because if they understood the theory they would understand it's an interpretation.
Bioware tried to make Total Recall, and failed.
llbountyhunter wrote...
legaldinho wrote...
None of you understand, or at least most on either side of the debate. "Artistic integrity" means the indoctrination interpretation should stand without making an ending that says "woops he's indoctrinated, sorry: have another go. YOU WIN." It means the interpretation is valid, but the face-value ending is prima facie valid as well. They're simply going to try to sell the face-value ending to the fans, make it more acceptable, easier to swallow. They never intended to release any DLC on the ending, and those adherents of IT who believed in it because "the true ending" would come only have themselves to blame for their naivety. The gloaters are even more stupid, because if they understood the theory they would understand it's an interpretation.
Bioware tried to make Total Recall, and failed.
they HAVE to say theyll stick to the cuurent endings, that way the they release the IT dlc, the headlines will read
"bioware fools players in amazing ending" instead of "bioware caved to player demands"
legaldinho wrote...
None of you understand, or at least most on either side of the debate. "Artistic integrity" means the indoctrination interpretation should stand without making an ending that says "woops he's indoctrinated, sorry: have another go. YOU WIN." It means the interpretation is valid, but the face-value ending is prima facie valid as well. They're simply going to try to sell the face-value ending to the fans, make it more acceptable, easier to swallow. They never intended to release any DLC on the ending, and those adherents of IT who believed in it because "the true ending" would come only have themselves to blame for their naivety. The gloaters are even more stupid, because if they understood the theory they would understand it's an interpretation.
Capeo wrote...
DreamTension wrote...
TheVolusSuck wrote...
when you're argument is that bioware is lying, you know you are grasping at emergency induction ports.
I made this account soley to post in this thread after I beat ME3. And in all honesty, I wont be surprised if IT is always going to be my head cannon as it made so much sense. Yes, IT could infact keep the current endings in the game and still function. But in doing so, a new ending would be created. The end is the conclusion of a story. Adding more shepard related scenes would infact add a new conclusion to the story.
"Adding more shepard related scenes would infact add a new conclusion to the story." You mean EXACTLY what BioWare has said they were doing?
Did you read the FAQ? Let me quote for you:
Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]
llbountyhunter wrote...
legaldinho wrote...
None of you understand, or at least most on either side of the debate. "Artistic integrity" means the indoctrination interpretation should stand without making an ending that says "woops he's indoctrinated, sorry: have another go. YOU WIN." It means the interpretation is valid, but the face-value ending is prima facie valid as well. They're simply going to try to sell the face-value ending to the fans, make it more acceptable, easier to swallow. They never intended to release any DLC on the ending, and those adherents of IT who believed in it because "the true ending" would come only have themselves to blame for their naivety. The gloaters are even more stupid, because if they understood the theory they would understand it's an interpretation.
Bioware tried to make Total Recall, and failed.
they HAVE to say theyll stick to the cuurent endings, that way the they release the IT dlc, the headlines will read
"bioware fools players in amazing ending" instead of "bioware caved to player demands"
Guest_ConVito_*
In my mind, "clarify" means they will try to salvage the ending as much as possible... while "expanding" could mean anything from giving the Starchild a wise cracking sidekick to adding in IT theory.CLB17 wrote...
Hey guys, could someone point out exactly where bioware says in that article that the indoctrination theory isn't true. All I see is them saying they're releasing new dlc that will clarify the ending through more scenes and tht they're releasing it in the summer.
CaliGuy033 wrote...
legaldinho wrote...
None of you understand, or at least most on either side of the debate. "Artistic integrity" means the indoctrination interpretation should stand without making an ending that says "woops he's indoctrinated, sorry: have another go. YOU WIN." It means the interpretation is valid, but the face-value ending is prima facie valid as well. They're simply going to try to sell the face-value ending to the fans, make it more acceptable, easier to swallow. They never intended to release any DLC on the ending, and those adherents of IT who believed in it because "the true ending" would come only have themselves to blame for their naivety. The gloaters are even more stupid, because if they understood the theory they would understand it's an interpretation.
This would be accurate if the theory were being offered exclusively as a "fan interpretation" and not "the narrative construct Bioware intended for the ending." The former allows for certain fans to believe one thing while still maintainin the "prima facie" validity of the "face-value" ending. But the latter is preclusive (in addition to obviously being incorrect).
I'll 2nd that Lex0r11 bump.Kyzee wrote...
I can't find my post calling for people to calm down on their reactions to IT, so I'm just going to bump the awesomeness that is this post from Lex0r11.lex0r11 wrote...
Guys, no need to fight! This community is awesome!
Everyone gather in for a group hug!
Trollgunner wrote...
I still want to get DLC where I, as Shepard, ride on the top of the Normandy opposing reaper fleet and shouting to joker "Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my omni-tool!"
Pascal219 wrote...
Michael Gamble
wrote...
Extended cut was one of the things I alluded to. We are working our butts off to make this amazing, gratifying, and over to you ASAP.
twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/187928555408211968
@[/s]GambleMike[/b] So it was planned from the beginning? Even before ME3 release?[/b]Close[/list]@[/s]NJacquemet[/b] I wouldnt say that. It's because we've been listening since launch!
@[/s]GambleMike[/b] That's great, but why wasn't it done pre-release? Surely you guys understand why the current ending isn't liked by the fans?
@[/s]MrXBob[/b] well, we only started getting feedback post launch from the fans!
Clos@[/s]MrXBob[/b] well, we only started getting feedback post launch from the fans![/list]
ConVito wrote...
https://twitter.com/...944453229645826
Just sent this to Gamble. Waiting for a response (sorry for not being a link, kind of in a rush right now)
Freckle Face wrote...
If anyone bought/read The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 or whatever that app for the iPad was called, it's actually pretty interesting. They made it quite clear that they wanted the endings to spark discussion and theories. I would guess that the extended cut will explain the ending as is, so that it is possible to take the endings at face value, but that it will also be careful not to step on the toes of the IDT, so that there is still room for speculation. Again I'll quote Mac Walters: "Lots of speculation for EVERYBODY." The more people speculate, the more they talk about the game, and the fresher it stays in all our minds so that the hype doesn't die out before Mass Effect 4 can make its debut.
Trollgunner wrote...
I still want to get DLC where I, as Shepard, ride on the top of the Normandy opposing reaper fleet and shouting to joker "Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my omni-tool!"
legaldinho wrote...
CaliGuy033 wrote...
legaldinho wrote...
None of you understand, or at least most on either side of the debate. "Artistic integrity" means the indoctrination interpretation should stand without making an ending that says "woops he's indoctrinated, sorry: have another go. YOU WIN." It means the interpretation is valid, but the face-value ending is prima facie valid as well. They're simply going to try to sell the face-value ending to the fans, make it more acceptable, easier to swallow. They never intended to release any DLC on the ending, and those adherents of IT who believed in it because "the true ending" would come only have themselves to blame for their naivety. The gloaters are even more stupid, because if they understood the theory they would understand it's an interpretation.
This would be accurate if the theory were being offered exclusively as a "fan interpretation" and not "the narrative construct Bioware intended for the ending." The former allows for certain fans to believe one thing while still maintainin the "prima facie" validity of the "face-value" ending. But the latter is preclusive (in addition to obviously being incorrect).
Nonsense. The alternative interpretation in Total Recall is worked into a narrative. It's possible to have multiple interpretations of a story. In fact, that's one of the main artistic traits of storytelling.
It's not fan fiction, it was intended- the clues are there. But it was done in a totally inept way. Mainly because the ending makes little sense, is abrupt etc etc I'm sure we can agree on that. You need a strong ending, and then a clue. Arnie looking a bit melancholic on being victorious, and fade to white. That's how you do it. Bioware botched it, is all.
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