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bdragon wrote...

Blubox wrote...

just saw/found this. - http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

"The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned"

Seriously... if it's just crap (current ending) + expansion on that crap.... it still equals crap.  I sure hope they're aware of that by now (??).  Not too optimistic, but got to wait and see I suppose.

Reposting this because I think it's important. Long story short, I think we're being toyed with - but not in the way people are thinking...



That 'artistic vision' they keep harping on about?

I think half of that is what is going to be revealed at Pax. I think we'll get a our more definitive ending, but that's only half the story.

The other half is everyone's reaction here on the forums and gaming sites. They're playing everyone like a harp and no one see's it. We're playing out the Christian morality play before our own eyes and can't see it. As I posted a little earlier, today is Maundy Thursday. The date of the last Supper, Judas's betrayal of Christ. I also refer everyone to this portion of the Gospel of Matthew:

--
Matthew 26:31 Then Jesus said to them, "You will all become deserters because of me this night; for it is written,
'I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

32 But after I am raised up, I will go ahead of you to Galilee."

33 Peter said to him, "Though all become deserters because of you, I will never desert you." 34 Jesus said to him, "Truly I tell you, this very night, before the **** crows, you will deny me three times." 35 Peter said to him, "Even though I must die with you, I will not deny you." And so said all the disciples.

So, everyone here has suddenly started doubting after managing to convince ourselves with solid logic and a strong theory on the VERY DAY Peter historically (the most faithful of Jesus's disciples) lost his own faith.

Something is up.

[EpyonX3]

Trollgunner wrote...

I still want to get DLC where I, as Shepard, ride on the top of the Normandy opposing reaper fleet and shouting to joker "Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my omni-tool!"

That would be an epic ending!

[Capeo]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I'll ask a 3rd time. Where in the article does it say the indoctrination theory I not true?

Exactly my thoughts mate.  I knew as soon as I read the article that the haters would just jump up and say he IT is false.  But really it hasn't debunked the IT because the current ( 1st half) ending is staying.

Learn to read:

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]

[chkchkchk]

Can anyone link to the best debunkings of the indoctrination theory? Is there any proof that Shepard wakes up on the Citadel instead of Earth? I love the theory, but I'm curious about the arguments against it. The forums move so quick that I'm sure I've missed this.

[CaliGuy033]

legaldinho wrote...

Well there is much we agree on, but quite how you can believe:

1. That Bioware intended that there be alternative interpretations of the ending, but

2. That it did not intend that one of those be that Shepard was in the process of indoctrination and hallucinating the end,

is something that I will not understand. What alternative interpretation is there that can garner more clues in its favour than that one? In fact, is there anything else, other than variants as to the form of the indoctrination (dream/ VR etc).

There are myriad different issues that come up in the ending, many of which are unexplained.  These open issues lead to several alterantive interpretations.  

That by itself satisfies the desire for multiple interpretations. Bioware didn't also need to specifically intended some radical interpretation in which everything they wrote into the ending is "fake." 

legaldinho wrote... 

Forgive me, but I now have you down as "has made a sort of clan issue out of indoctrination theory" type person. I've seen plenty on these boards. On both sides. Enjoy your time on the internet, young man.

And I now have you down as an intelligent but incredibly presumptuous old man. 

[Tirian Thorn]

Capeo wrote...

IT is not true.

From your point of view. 

Many of the truths we cling to, depend greatly on our own point of view.

Expanding on the ending does not mean IT isn't true. 

If Bioware introduced an ending that completely did away with what is the current ending and it wasn't IDT that would be one thing.

But with cinematics and epilogues they could very well come out and say that Shepard was resisting indoctrination and now here's what happened as a result of that. 

[DreamTension]

I think Mike is having fun with us
https://twitter.com/...947855749713920

[cdancidhe]

So the IT was not true, that was the real crappy ending? Ohh boy, now I am disappointed.
I thought Bioware pull a brilliant idea with the IT, and that more playable content was on the way. I guess is time to trade the game, I can watch new cinematics in youtube.

[I Soya I]

Capeo wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I'll ask a 3rd time. Where in the article does it say the indoctrination theory I not true?

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]
IT is not true.

It looks to me like you just took 2 quotes that in no way relate to the IT except to say there will be DLC and this will be the only one. So connect the dots for me because I clearly am missing how this makes IT not true.

[CLB17]

Cucobr wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I'll ask a 3rd time. Where in the article does it say the indoctrination theory I not true?

dude.. think

IT says.. at the end, Shepard wake up.

right?

ok

the New DLC isnt playble.


Dude chill out. Never in IT does it say what will happen after Shepard wakes up only that the end sequence was a dream. 



it is over man... is over.

so as my respect for BioWare.

ME3 was the last game that bought from BioWare.

[balance5050]

I'm not religious, I find it weird how much my faith is being tested.

[Tirian Thorn]

[blueboxblues]

Wynne wrote...
Quite consciously, and not out of desperation or hope, I will continue to cling to this "fanfiction" as my headcanon even if the DLC just reaffirms the crap we've already seen.

Why? Because it is currently the only thing that makes ANY kind of sense or at all redeems the endings whatsoever.  

It might be true, however thin a theory it may seem at the moment, and even if it's not, it's better than what we got. No reason not to hold on. 

This. Also I still like to think about my ANN Twitter feed theory and the timeline (where the Reapers just pushed into Palaven space a week ago, so there is still plenty of time for the events to line up with the game events...PERHAPS THIS SUMMER???). Which will also be my headcanon forever if it needs to be.

[JustAidan]

chkchkchk wrote...

Can anyone link to the best debunkings of the indoctrination theory? Is there any proof that Shepard wakes up on the Citadel instead of Earth? I love the theory, but I'm curious about the arguments against it. The forums move so quick that I'm sure I've missed this.

Shepard only wakes up during the Destroy ending which has the Citedal explode (right where he was too in a dramatic fashion) so he couldn't have survived there.

A lot of the 'debunkings' of the indoctrination theory are pretty bad, mostly focusing on ad homin attacks and retoric rather than logic. Many focus on attacking the weakest evidence and never address the strong stuff like how Shepard survived an exploding Citedal without armour, helment, while bleeding or why Shepard bleeds from where he shot Anderson.

Unfortunately I can give you the best debunkings right now:

• They planned IT then scrapped it without removing all the bits leading to it.
• The planned IT but never intended their to be a definite ending to promote "Speculation"
• They planned IT but deadlines made them just throw anything together.

In sort: It was bad writing not intended subtly.

[Tirian Thorn]

[savagejuicebox]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

I still want to get DLC where I, as Shepard, ride on the top of the Normandy opposing reaper fleet and shouting to joker "Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my omni-tool!"

That would be an epic ending!

Wow I dont know about everyone else but...um how do i put this...ah, j*zz buckets? hahahah:P:lol:

[Fhaarkas]

You know what would be gold? The released DLC is another dream-like sequence. Incepted.

Modifié par Fhaarkas, 06 avril 2012 - 02:03 .

[N7xELITE]

Were finished the reapers have won.

[Cucobr]

CLB17 wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I'll ask a 3rd time. Where in the article does it say the indoctrination theory I not true?

dude.. think

IT says.. at the end, Shepard wake up.

right?

ok

the New DLC isnt playble.






it is over man... is over.

so as my respect for BioWare.

ME3 was the last game that bought from BioWare.

Dude chill out. Never in IT does it say what will happen after Shepard wakes up only that the end sequence was a dream.  

srly?

YOU REALY POST THIS?

[Piplodocus]

I Soya I wrote...

It looks to me like you just took 2 quotes that in no way relate to the IT except to say there will be DLC and this will be the only one. So connect the dots for me because I clearly am missing how this makes IT not true.

Let me preface this by saying that I wanted IT to be Bioware's true intention as much as anybody, and more than most of them.

However, the reality is that this news very strongly implies that it is not what Bioware intended, and almost certainly will not happen. If IT was true, then Shep would have to get up and conclude the fight with Harbinger. But this statement says there will be "cinematics and epilogues", i.e. no more gameplay. Now in theory I suppose they could have the Shep get up and somehow win the war as part of one long cinematic, but that seems very unlikely to me; I think those of us who were putting their faith in IT assumed that if true there would be playable content after the "breath scene". Since this statement tells us there is no more playable content I think it's exceptionally unlikely that anything recognisable as IT will be implemented now, in the summer, or ever.

[brickheart]

You have to admit that the IT is looking very hard to believe if there are no "false
" endings. It was a good run though. A very clever diversion from disappointment.

[legaldinho]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

Well there is much we agree on, but quite how you can believe:

1. That Bioware intended that there be alternative interpretations of the ending, but

2. That it did not intend that one of those be that Shepard was in the process of indoctrination and hallucinating the end,

is something that I will not understand. What alternative interpretation is there that can garner more clues in its favour than that one? In fact, is there anything else, other than variants as to the form of the indoctrination (dream/ VR etc).

There are myriad different issues that come up in the ending, many of which are unexplained.  These open issues lead to several alterantive interpretations. 

That by itself satisfies the desire for multiple interpretations.

The fact that you keep asserting that there are all these interpretations doesn't make them true. I suspect you're talking about arguments about the ramifications of the ending. That's not an alternative interpretation of the events in the game's narrative, in the sense I've been meaning: the IT, Total Recall (dream and brain aneurysm), inception (god let's not go there).

Bioware didn't also need to specifically intended some radical interpretation in which everything they wrote into the ending is "fake."

And here I was thinking we had made progress. Just a few posts ago we had established what interpretations, specifically alternative interpretations of the same narrative material, meant. We had established that it was possible to have more than one at once. If you build in an alternative interpretation of your fictional material, it doesn't make the face-value interpretation "fake"  at all. The mistake of the IT hardcore was to insist their interpretation was real and the face-value interpretation was fake. You yourself bemoaned that mistake. Now examine your own assertions: you are making the converse mistake of insisting there is only one real interpretation and to take another would mean rendering any rival interpretations "fake".  Go back and read our exchanges.

CaliGuy wrote...

legaldinho wrote... 

Forgive me, but I now have you down as "has made a sort of clan issue out of indoctrination theory" type person. I've seen plenty on these boards. On both sides. Enjoy your time on the internet, young man.

And I now have you down as an intelligent but incredibly presumptuous old man.

That's fine.

[Capeo]

I Soya I wrote...

Capeo wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I'll ask a 3rd time. Where in the article does it say the indoctrination theory I not true?

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]
IT is not true.

It looks to me like you just took 2 quotes that in no way relate to the IT except to say there will be DLC and this will be the only one. So connect the dots for me because I clearly am missing how this makes IT not true.

Are you kidding?  They are standing by the current endings and adding cutscenes.  IT nullifies two endings.  They ARE NOT doing that.  How is this hard to understand?  Why do even think they put those questions in the FAQ?  It clearly says they are clarifying the EXISTING ENDING SEQUENCES.  Sequence means cutscenes.

[llbountyhunter]

 

So there are going to be no more dlc, but we have to save our chacters? The answer is obvious: the dlc serves as a bridge to MASS EFFECT 4!!!