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[blueboxblues]

Fhaarkas wrote...

You what would be gold? The released DLC is another dream-like sequence. Incepted.

WE GOT A DREAM FOR YOUR DREAM SO YOU CAN DREAM WHILE YOU DREAM 

[byne]

Indoctrination has always been about explaining the current endings as they are, and why certain things are the way they are.

It has never been about changing the endings or getting new ones.

Bioware saying they arent going to make new endings, but are simply expanding on the current ones neither confirms nor denies IT.

>Anti-IT people accuse us of twisting every little thing Bioware says to support IT
>Bioware releases a statement that doesnt really have any relevance to IT
>Anti-IT people twist it into a 100% official denial of IT

Sure is hypocritical in here.

[Sammuthegreat]

LeRavelle wrote...

Good luck keeping that artistic vision without any fans.

Ha!

There's been loads of threads asking whether I'd buy another BioWare game if the current endings turned out to be canon, and I held off answering them because I didn't really know. My gut reaction to this announcement is as mixed as ever. I still don't think the blog post tolls the death knell for IT, but as much as I'm trying to remain positive, I don't like the sound of it.

The thing I'm clinging to, though, is that you'd think if IT wasn't true, they'd have outright said it by now. The simple fact that they keep stringing the fans along, leaving a little hint here and a clue there, never outright denying or confirming anything, is in danger of doing more damage to their fanbase than the endings themselves.

On the other hand, why would they bother releasing this blog post if they're just going to do a total 180 tomorrow?

Oh well, I guess we'll find out in 24 hours or so. I'm still holding the line, but more in hope than expectation now.

P.S. Can anyone fill me in on what time their panel starts? I'm in Spain so I'll be 6 or 9 hours ahead, depending on which bit of USA it's in (I should probably know that).

[llbountyhunter]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Capeo wrote...

ConVito wrote...

What people don't seem to realize is that IT can still be true with BW only adding cinematics, conversations, cutscenes, etc. If it's all a "dream," what happens in said dream could actually still be the real "end boss." After that, there's no more gameplay, just some clarification of what happened and then your EMS determines what the Crucible does. Or there could be another choice. My point is it's still possible.

I'll do the same for you:

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]

does IT change the endings? NO

what exaclty does IT do? expand on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by providing additional clarity and closure 

hope this helps.

[DreamTension]

Capeo wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

Capeo wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I'll ask a 3rd time. Where in the article does it say the indoctrination theory I not true?

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]
IT is not true.

It looks to me like you just took 2 quotes that in no way relate to the IT except to say there will be DLC and this will be the only one. So connect the dots for me because I clearly am missing how this makes IT not true.

Are you kidding?  They are standing by the current endings and adding cutscenes.  IT nullifies two endings.  They ARE NOT doing that.  How is this hard to understand?  Why do even think they put those questions in the FAQ?  It clearly says they are clarifying the EXISTING ENDING SEQUENCES.  Sequence means cutscenes.

IDT does NOT nullify the ending.  That happened.  IDT completely agrees that the ending happens.  How do we make this clearer?  IDT would require addtional explanation to the ending (clarification and closure) and can be done by cinematics only.

[Dwailing]

OK, this is the line that sums up how I feel right now.

[Baldsake]

Well they're saying it will add closure to the current endings, isnt that the #1 complaint? That theres no closure? Let's wait til we see/play the endings, then judge. Like I said b4, i support the IDT but wouldve surprised if it was actually true.

[Pathero]

savagejuicebox wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

I still want to get DLC where I, as Shepard, ride on the top of the Normandy opposing reaper fleet and shouting to joker "Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my omni-tool!"

That would be an epic ending!

Wow I dont know about everyone else but...um how do i put this...ah, j*zz buckets? hahahah:P:lol:

Dude, it's okay.  Jazz might be odd, but no need to censor it.  I'm just not sure buckets of JAzz would improve it.

[I Soya I]

Piplodocus wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

It looks to me like you just took 2 quotes that in no way relate to the IT except to say there will be DLC and this will be the only one. So connect the dots for me because I clearly am missing how this makes IT not true.

Let me preface this by saying that I wanted IT to be Bioware's true intention as much as anybody, and more than most of them.

However, the reality is that this news very strongly implies that it is not what Bioware intended, and almost certainly will not happen. If IT was true, then Shep would have to get up and conclude the fight with Harbinger. But this statement says there will be "cinematics and epilogues", i.e. no more gameplay. Now in theory I suppose they could have the Shep get up and somehow win the war as part of one long cinematic, but that seems very unlikely to me; I think those of us who were putting their faith in IT assumed that if true there would be playable content after the "breath scene". Since this statement tells us there is no more playable content I think it's exceptionally unlikely that anything recognisable as IT will be implemented now, in the summer, or ever.

Please show me the part where it says no more gameplay? Becasue there is in fact none.  Whatever tone the article sets can easily be disregarded for the actual context.   I will wait and see until content is released or is talked about more. Hell, maybe I will only have to wait until tomorrow. So what I am saying is please refrain from saying that the statement says IT isn't true, because that statement itself is not true.

EDIT: I'm not trying to sound hostile even though I realize it might seem like that. Just trying to prove a point.

Modifié par I Soya I, 05 avril 2012 - 05:36 .

[lomar1o]

oh my godness.. bioware..srsly.. "Are we going to change the ending of the game? No." That's just FAIL............................................

[blueboxblues]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Good luck keeping that artistic vision without any fans.

Ha!

There's been loads of threads asking whether I'd buy another BioWare game if the current endings turned out to be canon, and I held off answering them because I didn't really know. My gut reaction to this announcement is as mixed as ever. I still don't think the blog post tolls the death knell for IT, but as much as I'm trying to remain positive, I don't like the sound of it.

The thing I'm clinging to, though, is that you'd think if IT wasn't true, they'd have outright said it by now. The simple fact that they keep stringing the fans along, leaving a little hint here and a clue there, never outright denying or confirming anything, is in danger of doing more damage to their fanbase than the endings themselves.

On the other hand, why would they bother releasing this blog post if they're just going to do a total 180 tomorrow?

Oh well, I guess we'll find out in 24 hours or so. I'm still holding the line, but more in hope than expectation now.

P.S. Can anyone fill me in on what time their panel starts? I'm in Spain so I'll be 6 or 9 hours ahead, depending on which bit of USA it's in (I should probably know that).

430pm tomorrow in Bostom (EST), so that's like 1030pm in Spain? Maybe?

[CLB17]

@Cucobr

So tell me what did the IT theory say was going to happen after Shepard woke up.

[llbountyhunter]

What the trolls here were strategically placed by bioware to break our spirits? Lol

[lex0r11]

Kyzee wrote...

I can't find my post calling for people to calm down on their reactions to IT, so I'm just going to bump the awesomeness that is this post from Lex0r11. 

lex0r11 wrote...

Guys, no need to fight! This community is awesome!

Everyone gather in for a group hug!

That's right people. Feel the love.

[blueboxblues]

Pathero wrote...
Dude, it's okay.  Jazz might be odd, but no need to censor it.  I'm just not sure buckets of JAzz would improve it.

Ending DLC: Purgatory becomes a smooth jazz and beat poet club.

[Golferguy758]

no matter what happens it has been a hell of a ride

[Bill Casey]

CLB17 wrote...

@Cucobr

So tell me what did the IT theory say was going to happen after Shepard woke up.

We don't know what happens after Shepard wakes up...

[Shooter__Andy]

blueboxblues wrote...
Ending DLC: Purgatory becomes a smooth jazz and beat poet club.

And a new hat -- a berret!

[Kyzee]

Geez, the forum (as I sadly expected) has once again devolved into insults and yelling. It's like the scene from Shawn of the Dead, and I feel like Liz at this point.

And so, with that in mind: 

Modifié par Kyzee, 05 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[LeRavelle]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Good luck keeping that artistic vision without any fans.

Ha!

There's been loads of threads asking whether I'd buy another BioWare game if the current endings turned out to be canon, and I held off answering them because I didn't really know. My gut reaction to this announcement is as mixed as ever. I still don't think the blog post tolls the death knell for IT, but as much as I'm trying to remain positive, I don't like the sound of it.

The thing I'm clinging to, though, is that you'd think if IT wasn't true, they'd have outright said it by now. The simple fact that they keep stringing the fans along, leaving a little hint here and a clue there, never outright denying or confirming anything, is in danger of doing more damage to their fanbase than the endings themselves.

On the other hand, why would they bother releasing this blog post if they're just going to do a total 180 tomorrow?

Oh well, I guess we'll find out in 24 hours or so. I'm still holding the line, but more in hope than expectation now.

P.S. Can anyone fill me in on what time their panel starts? I'm in Spain so I'll be 6 or 9 hours ahead, depending on which bit of USA it's in (I should probably know that).

If the IT isn't true they need a lot of explaining of how Sheperd ends up between congrete rubble gaining consiousness.

If the IT is true, they'll have to explain a lot less, just fill in the remaining epilogue.

What still bugs me though is the messaage you get after the end"  Shepherd is now a legend but you;ll be able to have more adventures through DLC"

It's likeley they meant DLC that plays before the ending, but it's strange they add the whole Legend is a Shephard text.

Modifié par LeRavelle, 05 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[balance5050]

 It's not much, but here's a little hope:
https://twitter.com/...955998584078337

[Capeo]

DreamTension wrote...

Capeo wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

Capeo wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I'll ask a 3rd time. Where in the article does it say the indoctrination theory I not true?

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]
IT is not true.

It looks to me like you just took 2 quotes that in no way relate to the IT except to say there will be DLC and this will be the only one. So connect the dots for me because I clearly am missing how this makes IT not true.

Are you kidding?  They are standing by the current endings and adding cutscenes.  IT nullifies two endings.  They ARE NOT doing that.  How is this hard to understand?  Why do even think they put those questions in the FAQ?  It clearly says they are clarifying the EXISTING ENDING SEQUENCES.  Sequence means cutscenes.

IDT does NOT nullify the ending.  That happened.  IDT completely agrees that the ending happens.  How do we make this clearer?  IDT would require addtional explanation to the ending (clarification and closure) and can be done by cinematics only.

YES IT DOES!.  For IT to be true you would HAVE TO pick destroy.  What don't you get about that?  That makes the other two endings false.  BW has clearly stated in the FAQ that all three endings are valid.  They are not changing the end.

And cinematics only?  Is that a joke?  What?  A cinematic of Shep waking up and shooting Harbinger in the eye: THE END?  

[CLB17]

Bill Casey wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

@Cucobr

So tell me what did the IT theory say was going to happen after Shepard woke up.

We don't know what happens after Shepard wakes up...

Yes thank you. We don't know, but the trolls are jumping all over this thread saying no gameplay after the end means tgat IT cannot be true. Seems just like before where they focus on one little thing and say "this completely disproves IT." Trolls grasping at straws.

Modifié par CLB17, 05 avril 2012 - 05:46 .

[Capeo]

I Soya I wrote...

Piplodocus wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

It looks to me like you just took 2 quotes that in no way relate to the IT except to say there will be DLC and this will be the only one. So connect the dots for me because I clearly am missing how this makes IT not true.

Let me preface this by saying that I wanted IT to be Bioware's true intention as much as anybody, and more than most of them.

However, the reality is that this news very strongly implies that it is not what Bioware intended, and almost certainly will not happen. If IT was true, then Shep would have to get up and conclude the fight with Harbinger. But this statement says there will be "cinematics and epilogues", i.e. no more gameplay. Now in theory I suppose they could have the Shep get up and somehow win the war as part of one long cinematic, but that seems very unlikely to me; I think those of us who were putting their faith in IT assumed that if true there would be playable content after the "breath scene". Since this statement tells us there is no more playable content I think it's exceptionally unlikely that anything recognisable as IT will be implemented now, in the summer, or ever.

Please show me the part where it says no more gameplay? Becasue there is in fact none.  Whatever tone the article sets can easily be disregarded for the actual context.   I will wait and see until content is released or is talked about more. Hell, maybe I will only have to wait until tomorrow. So what I am saying is please refrain from saying that the statement says IT isn't true, because that statement itself is not true.

EDIT: I'm not trying to sound hostile even though I realize it might seem like that. Just trying to prove a point.

People you do realize there's an FAQ on the blog right?  Not just the press release?  I quote:

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]
What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]
Cinematics means unplayable cutscenes.  It has a very defined meaning.  There will be no gameplay.

Modifié par Capeo, 05 avril 2012 - 05:47 .

[blueboxblues]

Shooter__Andy wrote...
And a new hat -- a berret!

I would like to unlock a monocle for Marauder Shields.

I'm Marauder Shields. Stay classy, Planet Earth.