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#30401
JustAidan

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balance5050 wrote...

 It's not much, but here's a little hope:
https://twitter.com/...955998584078337


Gah, the twitter keeps us in suspense.

I wanna know nooowoowoooowwww:O

#30402
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It's becoming harder and harder to keep faith in Bioware.

This epilogue content they have announced better have a lot of answers to the many many many legitimate questions that "passionate" fans have asked otherwise they may face another revolt which I suspect would be bigger than the last one.

The ball is in your court Bioware. Don't let us down.

Also and this is directed at EA. Think twice before shouting from the rafters about MP DLC. The MP DLC is fun but when a game was created and made on the back of a single player story MP will always feel shoehorned in. While the level of displeasure at the endings, adding more MP and making it a hugh announcement would leave a really bad taste in a lot of peoples mouth.

Modifié par bigstig, 05 avril 2012 - 06:05 .


#30403
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Vigil_N7 wrote...

The sooner the endings get released, the sooner your delusions will come to an end.

The sooner, the better. Each time I see someone still clinging onto this idiotic theory my sanity dwindles ten fold.


Then why are you here, digging through this thread? Go elsewhere if you don't agree.

#30404
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Tirian Thorn wrote...

Vigil_N7 wrote...

The sooner the endings get released, the sooner your delusions will come to an end.

The sooner, the better. Each time I see someone still clinging onto this idiotic theory my sanity dwindles ten fold.


Then leave.  Don't look at the posts, just go. 

But you can't do that can you?  You want to troll around and make snide remarks.  If it's really affecting your sanity - just ignore it and go away. 


He can't because he has realized his need to belittle others comes from his low-self esteem due to talking way too much sh*t IRL and getting his **** beat one too many times.

#30405
Vigil_N7

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Because the endings aren't taking place in the real word rather in Shep's head?


How does that make any sense? So shepard dreams of the citadel being destroyed if he picks synthesise but dreams about the citadel remaining intact if he picks control? If he wanted to dream of an ending which soothed his soul (this being the main justification used) why would one dream be different from another? 

#30406
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Cucobr wrote...

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So tell me what did the IT theory say was going to happen after Shepard woke up.


IT is about explain everything about the ending. To make sense and logic.

correct?

OK.

At the ending of the game, Shepard wake up and the game is over correct?


BioWare says that Mass Effect 3 is the last game of Shepard. There isn't a Mass Effect 4 beginning with Shepard wake up.

The Reapers still there... the Citadel still there... the crucible still there.


is it a ending for you?

No


The DLC will give to us the continuation from where the IT stopped.


Not anymore.



What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.



Why are you releasing the Extended Cut DLC?Though we remain committed and are proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game, we are aware that there are some fans who would like more closure to Mass Effect 3. The goal of the DLC is not to provide a new ending to the game, rather to offer fans additional context and answers to the end of Commander Shepard's story.



so... it's over.

Mass Effect 3 was the last game that I bought from BioWare.
Never more.

 
Uh.. dude I asked you what happens after shepard wakes up according to the It and you didn't answer my question and by doing so you proved my point. The Indoctrination theory IS NOT about changing the ending in any way, shape or form. It is expanding on the ending after Shepard waked up in the rubble.

You even said yourself "What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3."

To me the indoctrination theory fits what you describe perfectly.

#30407
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Vigil_N7 wrote...

The sooner the endings get released, the sooner your delusions will come to an end.

The sooner, the better. Each time I see someone still clinging onto this idiotic theory my sanity dwindles ten fold.


Leave then. Stop wasting space, let those who have an interest in this theory discuss in piece. All your doing is throwing gasoline on the flame. The sooner you realise that eating **** tastes bad the quicker you'll notice why bioware fans are angry. Now if you want to be a conformist that doesn't like to discuss theories...

There's the god damn door.<3

#30408
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Vigil_N7 wrote...

As of right now, high EMS and picking destroy is the only way to get "Shepard Breath" so right now, there is only one ending that gives you this scene.  Call it what you will (perfect ending/happy ending/twist ending), but BioWare did this on PURPOSE. 
It never said anything about these endingS being fact.  You are making all of this up as you go.





And the citadel remains intact in control, but gets destroyed in synthesise, if both resulted in indoctrination then why the hell would the citadel be destroyed in one of the endings? 

Oh yeah, because the theory isn't right. 


^ Because this is how you logically discuss the different points to a theory.

'Lolz, if we are evolveded from monkeys, why r monkeys still here? BEcuase teh theory is incorrect!!12! LOL WTF LMAO'

#30409
JustAidan

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DreamTension wrote...

EDIT:
You know what.  Not necessary to continue this conversation because it's obvious attempt.


Moving on:

Hmm.  Jessica is either a savior or masochist....


Think you mean Sadist :D

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captainbob8383 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...56540655935488' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'> https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/187956540655935488

"Please Jessica could you at least confirm that Indoc theory is false if that's the case? It's cruel to let us hope in vain". ‏

@JessicaMerizan
as a fan, I like the indoctrination theory and it's definitely how I perceive at least one of my playthroughs.


Red Ending: perceived as indoc./breaking free
other endings: not perceived as indoc -> does not mean it is not indoc. (indoc has worked and you think its your own decision)

=> can be interpreted as confirmation

Modifié par nyrocron, 05 avril 2012 - 06:05 .


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Vigil_N7 wrote...

The sooner the endings get released, the sooner your delusions will come to an end.

The sooner, the better. Each time I see someone still clinging onto this idiotic theory my sanity dwindles ten fold.


Why are Anti-IT people always such jerks? I never call you guys delusional or any such things just because you accept the current endings, yet I've been called such by anti-IT people multiple times.

Its like my belief in IT is a personal affront to them and their god and they must take vengeance because of it.

Just chill out, people.

#30412
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Vigil_N7 wrote...

Because the endings aren't taking place in the real word rather in Shep's head?


How does that make any sense? So shepard dreams of the citadel being destroyed if he picks synthesise but dreams about the citadel remaining intact if he picks control? If he wanted to dream of an ending which soothed his soul (this being the main justification used) why would one dream be different from another? 


I'd like to ask where the hell you've been the past few weeks when we were explaining this theory 200+ times?

#30413
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These forums are ablaze in QQ.

#30414
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Vigil_N7 wrote...

Because the endings aren't taking place in the real word rather in Shep's head?


How does that make any sense? So shepard dreams of the citadel being destroyed if he picks synthesise but dreams about the citadel remaining intact if he picks control? If he wanted to dream of an ending which soothed his soul (this being the main justification used) why would one dream be different from another? 


It's more a forced hallucintaion than just a dream, Shepard isn't in control of what he dreams. You tired or something? cause it seems you have a hard time thinking critically.

Modifié par balance5050, 05 avril 2012 - 06:05 .


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Vigil_N7 wrote...

Because the endings aren't taking place in the real word rather in Shep's head?


How does that make any sense? So shepard dreams of the citadel being destroyed if he picks synthesise but dreams about the citadel remaining intact if he picks control? If he wanted to dream of an ending which soothed his soul (this being the main justification used) why would one dream be different from another? 


Welcome to INDOCTRINATION thoery.  Not INCEPTION theory.  Dream =/= Indoctrination.

I could edit your post to the following:

How does that make any sense? So the citadel being destroyed if he picks synthesise but  the citadel remaining intact if he picks control?  

#30416
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Vigil_N7 wrote...

Because the endings aren't taking place in the real word rather in Shep's head?


How does that make any sense? So shepard dreams of the citadel being destroyed if he picks synthesise but dreams about the citadel remaining intact if he picks control? If he wanted to dream of an ending which soothed his soul (this being the main justification used) why would one dream be different from another? 

Because one man can't live 3 lives? Bioware said smth like that, can't remember it properly. You get what you decided to get (wow, that sounds crappy). You get different dreams depending on your choises and in new DLC i think we will get closure on each of those. Be strong soldier.

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JustAidan wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
 It's not much, but here's a little hope:
https://twitter.com/...955998584078337

Gah, the twitter keeps us in suspense.
I wanna know nooowoowoooowwww:O

Damnit! Reading this forum and these twitters makes you feel bipolar.
Extended Cut DLC minifaq tears your belief in IT down, then that twitter blurb gives you hope again.

I hope those sickos know what they're doing, juggling trolling dynamite like that!

#30418
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captainbob8383 wrote...

 https://twitter.com/...956540655935488

"Please Jessica could you at least confirm that Indoc theory is false if that's the case? It's cruel to let us hope in vain". ‏

@JessicaMerizan
as a fan, I like the indoctrination theory and it's definitely how I perceive at least one of my playthroughs.


Seriously ?!?!
No one can just say flat out:
YES or NO

#30419
Terran235

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I think hes just angry that he has to think and rather have a ****ty ending where EA thinks for him. Having a longer ending might strain his poor little brain.

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Vigil_N7

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It's more a forced hallucintaion than just a dream, Shepard isn't in control of what he dreams. You tired or something? cause it seems you have a hard time thinking critically.


If its a forced hallucination, then why are there two different scenarios? Why not just the one? 

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long live skyrim!

#30422
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Oh Jessica you beautiful, beautiful woman. You're STILL the only reason I have hope. Hold the Line, for Marauder Shields and Jessica Merizan.

#30423
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I saw where Casey said something along the lines of that this dlc is taking priority right now.
I take this 2 ways...
1. IT was never the case and this is just damage control
2. IT is the case and they realize that they made the ending a little too hard to figure out so this free dlc will clear it up and prove IT before releasing the true post ending DLC. Like this is a bridge between

#30424
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I don't recommend any of my fellow IT supporters visiting other threads on these forums. It's getting really rough out there. It breaks my heart seeing so many enraged people.

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Vigil_N7 wrote...

It's more a forced hallucintaion than just a dream, Shepard isn't in control of what he dreams. You tired or something? cause it seems you have a hard time thinking critically.


If its a forced hallucination, then why are there two different scenarios? Why not just the one? 


The post decision cutscene comes from what shepard perceives in his mind. It comes from what god-child tells him will happen.. therefore it's not ludicrous to think it's in his head.

The god child said "the mass relays will be destroyed and/or control,synthesis,destroy.. shepard sees them all.. in his head.