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[DreamTension]

byne wrote...

Vigil_N7 wrote...

The sooner the endings get released, the sooner your delusions will come to an end.

The sooner, the better. Each time I see someone still clinging onto this idiotic theory my sanity dwindles ten fold.

Why are Anti-IT people always such jerks? I never call you guys delusional or any such things just because you accept the current endings, yet I've been called such by anti-IT people multiple times.

Its like my belief in IT is a personal affront to them and their god and they must take vengeance because of it.

Just chill out, people.

Why indeed....

[Tirian Thorn]

Terran235 wrote...

I think hes just angry that he has to think and rather have a ****ty ending where EA thinks for him. Having a longer ending might strain his poor little brain.

We’re like the kids happily playing a made up game in the park and the anti-IT people come along and are like “you can’t play that, it’s not a real game.  You have to play basketball to have any REAL fun.”   

Modifié par Tirian Thorn, 05 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[Stigweird85]

If these epilogues don't answer the questions that have been raised(teleportation, destruction of relays = destruction of systems etc) then I have one question to the writer(s) of the final scene.

What were your intentions with the endings? What did you hope(and ultimately fail) to put across?

[McGrzegorz]

Setzer Daven wrote...

I don't recommend any of my fellow IT supporters visiting other threads on these forums. It's getting really rough out there. It breaks my heart seeing so many enraged people.

Yep, I've notice that.
And not giving clear answers/info gives fuel to it...

And who is to blame...?

[Lyria]

Capeo wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

Capeo wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

Capeo wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I'll ask a 3rd time. Where in the article does it say the indoctrination theory I not true?

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]
IT is not true.

It looks to me like you just took 2 quotes that in no way relate to the IT except to say there will be DLC and this will be the only one. So connect the dots for me because I clearly am missing how this makes IT not true.

Are you kidding?  They are standing by the current endings and adding cutscenes.  IT nullifies two endings.  They ARE NOT doing that.  How is this hard to understand?  Why do even think they put those questions in the FAQ?  It clearly says they are clarifying the EXISTING ENDING SEQUENCES.  Sequence means cutscenes.

IDT does NOT nullify the ending.  That happened.  IDT completely agrees that the ending happens.  How do we make this clearer?  IDT would require addtional explanation to the ending (clarification and closure) and can be done by cinematics only.

YES IT DOES!.  For IT to be true you would HAVE TO pick destroy.  What don't you get about that?  That makes the other two endings false.  BW has clearly stated in the FAQ that all three endings are valid.  They are not changing the end.

And cinematics only?  Is that a joke?  What?  A cinematic of Shep waking up and shooting Harbinger in the eye: THE END?  

Your inability to understand IT is amusing. All endings mean IT.

Let me explain. Control means you failed to resist. Considering its the only option you get if you saved the collector's base and have low EMS means the reapers own you.

Synthesis only occurs with high EMS. That means the reapers are scared s***less and IT of Shepard is failing and they are using their contingency plan. Everything and everyone is synthetic/living hybrid.

Destruction is best when you have high EMS. Shepard wakes up. IT is beaten.

Now that I've explained IT to you, since you can't be bothered to read the OP, can you explain how clarification and explanation ruin IT?

[LeRavelle]

McGrzegorz wrote...

captainbob8383 wrote...

 https://twitter.com/...956540655935488

"Please Jessica could you at least confirm that Indoc theory is false if that's the case? It's cruel to let us hope in vain". ‏

@JessicaMerizan
as a fan, I like the indoctrination theory and it's definitely how I perceive at least one of my playthroughs.

Seriously ?!?!
No one can just say flat out:
YES or NO

Everyone working for Bioware had at least 2 years of Spindoctor training it seems.

Modifié par LeRavelle, 05 avril 2012 - 06:10 .

[Big G13]

It's raining trolls, hallelujah, It's raining trolls.

[Logistics00]

bigstig wrote...

It's becoming harder and harder to keep faith in Bioware.

This epilogue content they have announced better have a lot of answers to the many many many legitimate questions that "passionate" fans have asked otherwise they may face another revolt which I suspect would be bigger than the last one.

The ball is in your court Bioware. Don't let us down.

Also and this is directed at EA. Think twice before shouting from the rafters about MP DLC. The MP DLC is fun but when a game was created and made on the back of a single player story MP will always feel shoehorned in. While the level of displeasure at the endings, adding more MP and making it a hugh announcement would leave a really bad taste in a lot of peoples mouth.

I keep running into this and can't believe people aren't making the connection. 'It's becoming harder and harder to keep faith...."

Now...think about what today's date is. Maundy Thursday. Think about what happened on that date. Then start thinking about how many allusions the game has to Christian imagery and I think you'll make the connection.

[n00bsauce2010]

I love how all the massive trolls come in needing an explanation of the theory.. holy ****.. where were you 2-3 weeks ago?

[Shooter__Andy]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

If its a forced hallucination, then why are there two different scenarios? Why not just the one? 

Because just control was the plan of TIM, a VILLAIN of this game. It's obvious that this isn't a very good idea, but, what if say, there's a third possibility? The one that Shepard would choose? Not that brute Anderson and not the manipulator IM, but Shepard him/herself, huh? The one where you become the saviour and live through every creature? Wouldn't it be so... tempting to give in?

[n00bsauce2010]

Logistics00 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

It's becoming harder and harder to keep faith in Bioware.

This epilogue content they have announced better have a lot of answers to the many many many legitimate questions that "passionate" fans have asked otherwise they may face another revolt which I suspect would be bigger than the last one.

The ball is in your court Bioware. Don't let us down.

Also and this is directed at EA. Think twice before shouting from the rafters about MP DLC. The MP DLC is fun but when a game was created and made on the back of a single player story MP will always feel shoehorned in. While the level of displeasure at the endings, adding more MP and making it a hugh announcement would leave a really bad taste in a lot of peoples mouth.

I keep running into this and can't believe people aren't making the connection. 'It's becoming harder and harder to keep faith...."

Now...think about what today's date is. Maundy Thursday. Think about what happened on that date. Then start thinking about how many allusions the game has to Christian imagery and I think you'll make the connection.

I'm confused sir. Enlighten us on the connection.

[JTP117]

byne wrote...

Vigil_N7 wrote...

The sooner the endings get released, the sooner your delusions will come to an end.

The sooner, the better. Each time I see someone still clinging onto this idiotic theory my sanity dwindles ten fold.

Why are Anti-IT people always such jerks? I never call you guys delusional or any such things just because you accept the current endings, yet I've been called such by anti-IT people multiple times.

Its like my belief in IT is a personal affront to them and their god and they must take vengeance because of it.

Just chill out, people.

Welcome to the internet, where every A-hole has a computer and the need to tell everyone that they are wrong. Please enjoy your stay

[balance5050]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

It's more a forced hallucintaion than just a dream, Shepard isn't in control of what he dreams. You tired or something? cause it seems you have a hard time thinking critically.

If its a forced hallucination, then why are there two different scenarios? Why not just the one? 

LOL! Saren and TIM were both indoctrinated and could be "talked out of it" or they could "snap out of it". Going by that logic we can deduce that they were either convinced or tricked into believing in a certain thing even if that thing isn't true, this is whats happenning in the hallucination. If they just wanted to force it on Shep then he would just be a worthless husk and the Galaxy would still have a chance because he already gathered an army. They need to control his mind at this point so that indoc Shep could sabotage the resistance.

Sorry, it just requires the player to connect some dots on their own without the help of the game, not hard for people who like to read... or like to think.

[JustAidan]

hwf wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
 It's not much, but here's a little hope:
https://twitter.com/...955998584078337

Gah, the twitter keeps us in suspense.
I wanna know nooowoowoooowwww:O

Damnit! Reading this forum and these twitters makes you feel bipolar.
Extended Cut DLC minifaq tears your belief in IT down, then that twitter blurb gives you hope again.

I hope those sickos know what they're doing, juggling trolling dynamite like that!

Who knows, for all we know they could be trying to get more ME3 sales after all the bad press it has had.

[natalZ]

McGrzegorz wrote...

captainbob8383 wrote...

 https://twitter.com/...956540655935488

"Please Jessica could you at least confirm that Indoc theory is false if that's the case? It's cruel to let us hope in vain". ‏

@JessicaMerizan
as a fan, I like the indoctrination theory and it's definitely how I perceive at least one of my playthroughs.

Seriously ?!?!
No one can just say flat out:
YES or NO

But if they answer us with a YES or NO, the  is broken!

[Fattness132]

Setzer Daven wrote...

I don't recommend any of my fellow IT supporters visiting other threads on these forums. It's getting really rough out there. It breaks my heart seeing so many enraged people.

I think people have the right to be enraged right now. We were blatently lied to about being listened to. Its rather insulting and I'm pretty damn pissed off at the moment. It is clear they had no intention of listening to our complaints, and would rather spout an "artistic integrity" BS excuse than actually listen to our feedback.

[Dark_Caduceus]

I'll play them, but I won;t buy them.

[Trollgunner]

Sooooo....Bioware now get even more attention,more then any other game company got.
*clap clap*
Well done Bioware, well done.

P.S I still demand a DLC where my Shepard rides on Normandy with omni-tool.

[CLB17]

Is it me or are the trolls of the IT are doing what they've always done. They look for every little thing that they think implies IT is not true then say it without a doubt proves IT is false. They always say we grasp at straws but it the other way around.

[Sire Styx]

I'm not too pleased about the announcement like. There are no other endings, only clarification of this ending. This ending is not being scrapped and is instead being kept. There is no mention of additional gameplay, only extended cinematic sequences.
Whether IT is true or not, this announcement doesn't really say. But it doesn't fill me with hope.

I feel like we've been strung along and tempted with the prospect of big news, getting our hopes up. Something may be announced tomorrow, which contradicts this but I don't think it will.
If tomorrow we find that a myriad of alternative endings are actually being released then that's still terrible. It would mean we've actually been lied to (again?).

I don't know if this is the worst thing or not, but It's NOT coming out until summer. That's.... unfortunate. I don't know what I'm doing in the summer, but I find it hard to beileve that I'd keep my hopes up that long. For a few weeks after finishing, I was raring to go and finish the game if alternative endings were released. But I'm not going to be as excited or motivated to play it in the summer.

I originally thought the idea that bioware became lazy and ran out of time was stupid and couldn't happen. Why could a brilliant games company suddenly just 'give up' after making 2 brilliant games. Now though, it seems like all the evidence points to them patching a frakenstein's monster-style game out of the first 2 and some multiplayer shooter, then discarding storylines and plots before rounding the game up with some strange ending that doesn't fit correctly with the rest of the game.

The whole thing about giving us hope and telling us to keep onto our games/saves just seems (to me) to be something to stop the market getting flooded with hundreds of cheap second hand games soon after release and to get people who've heard about the ending to actually buy the game and to milk us for any DLC they come out with.

I can't say I'm optimistic that some other news will be released tomorrow. I'm not buying any more DLC because, well, what's the point? I know it's just a game but the ending wasn't satisfactory and unless our choices are reflected properly it won't mean anything. But whatever happens (unless it's fantastic news) I'm not buying other bioware games.

[Tirian Thorn]

byne wrote...

Vigil_N7 wrote...

The sooner the endings get released, the sooner your delusions will come to an end.

The sooner, the better. Each time I see someone still clinging onto this idiotic theory my sanity dwindles ten fold.

Why are Anti-IT people always such jerks? I never call you guys delusional or any such things just because you accept the current endings, yet I've been called such by anti-IT people multiple times.

Its like my belief in IT is a personal affront to them and their god and they must take vengeance because of it.

Just chill out, people.

It's odd.  But some people just cannot handle differing opinions. 

It's live Evolution vs. Creation. 

You can't sway someone with insults and rhetoric. 

[Capeo]

protognosis wrote...

Capeo wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

Capeo wrote...

I Soya I wrote...

Capeo wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

I'll ask a 3rd time. Where in the article does it say the indoctrination theory I not true?

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]
IT is not true.

It looks to me like you just took 2 quotes that in no way relate to the IT except to say there will be DLC and this will be the only one. So connect the dots for me because I clearly am missing how this makes IT not true.

Are you kidding?  They are standing by the current endings and adding cutscenes.  IT nullifies two endings.  They ARE NOT doing that.  How is this hard to understand?  Why do even think they put those questions in the FAQ?  It clearly says they are clarifying the EXISTING ENDING SEQUENCES.  Sequence means cutscenes.

IDT does NOT nullify the ending.  That happened.  IDT completely agrees that the ending happens.  How do we make this clearer?  IDT would require addtional explanation to the ending (clarification and closure) and can be done by cinematics only.

YES IT DOES!.  For IT to be true you would HAVE TO pick destroy.  What don't you get about that?  That makes the other two endings false.  BW has clearly stated in the FAQ that all three endings are valid.  They are not changing the end.

And cinematics only?  Is that a joke?  What?  A cinematic of Shep waking up and shooting Harbinger in the eye: THE END?  

Your inability to understand IT is amusing. All endings mean IT.

Let me explain. Control means you failed to resist. Considering its the only option you get if you saved the collector's base and have low EMS means the reapers own you.

Synthesis only occurs with high EMS. That means the reapers are scared s***less and IT of Shepard is failing and they are using their contingency plan. Everything and everyone is synthetic/living hybrid.

Destruction is best when you have high EMS. Shepard wakes up. IT is beaten.

Now that I've explained IT to you, since you can't be bothered to read the OP, can you explain how clarification and explanation ruin IT?

I already knew that dumb crap.  Thanks for making my point.  To beat indoctrination in It you HAVE TO CHOOSE DESTROY!  That's idiotic.  They are not going to retcon the choices so only one allows you to actually win.  How is this hard to understand.  It turns two choices that currently are victories into failures and leaves everyone with one choice to make.  How you see that as a good idea is beyond me.

The FAQ clearly states they are NOT changing the endings.  They are ALL still victories.  They are not retconning anything.

Modifié par Capeo, 05 avril 2012 - 06:16 .

[Skillz1986]

Since i do not know why you would still bother to argue with ithaters..since the only thimg you're achieving with this behaviour, is actually keeping them involved, which only makes them stay longer...i'll gladly repost what i have writzen earlier. since i could not phrase it any better than back then.

Skillz1986 wrote... I gotta say i'm proud of you all for straight out ignoring trolls. This thread is meant for people who enjoy speculating, and evolving upon the idea of indoctrination within the me series. We do not have to explain sh** to people who do not participate. i mean seriously...how much of a no life having jackass do you have to be, to run arou d the world (or the internet) searching for people who do not agree with your point of view, just to try to convince them otherwise. you do not believe in it? Fine...guess what, you're entitled to do so, for whatever reason you have. but so are we...so if you do not want to speculate why it still holds weight, get lost..this forum is not for you. and for all it belivers..ignore those guys...discussion only lead to more discussions. they don't want to believe it..you will certainly not convince them

[balance5050]

Logistics00 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

It's becoming harder and harder to keep faith in Bioware.

This epilogue content they have announced better have a lot of answers to the many many many legitimate questions that "passionate" fans have asked otherwise they may face another revolt which I suspect would be bigger than the last one.

The ball is in your court Bioware. Don't let us down.

Also and this is directed at EA. Think twice before shouting from the rafters about MP DLC. The MP DLC is fun but when a game was created and made on the back of a single player story MP will always feel shoehorned in. While the level of displeasure at the endings, adding more MP and making it a hugh announcement would leave a really bad taste in a lot of peoples mouth.

I keep running into this and can't believe people aren't making the connection. 'It's becoming harder and harder to keep faith...."

Now...think about what today's date is. Maundy Thursday. Think about what happened on that date. Then start thinking about how many allusions the game has to Christian imagery and I think you'll make the connection.

I hope you're right, and I see the obvious similarities to Jesus. But this is straight the ballsiest thing I'v ever heard of in PR. I want that connection to be true, but it's a stretch.

[MintyCool]

I'm suprised everyone is so upset? We won! We are receiveing free dlc now!

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