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Arian Dynas

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Rifneno wrote...
QFT. FemShep looks goofy in the game. At least Shepaloo looks realistic, even if a lot of people don't like the look. Default FemShep, there's... I don't know. I can't quite put my finger on it, but the proportions of her face just don't look realistic.


Personally, I've been going through the game, thinking nearly constantly "God.. Shep needs a shave, that can't be following regulations." Seriously, through the whole game I kept thinking my Shepaloo was rocking the Riker.

Freckle Face, you might wanna trace through the thread, I saw a image capture of the Tweet a while back (around 700 or so I think) more than that I can't help :(

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They should have used a real model to scan their face like they did with Meer.


Actually  that was Mark Vanderloo , Meer does the voice.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Tsuarn wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I will prove that IT can work within the constraints of a cinematic. Watch.

Shepard Breath Scene, then, new custscene begins.

[Star child appears before Shepard, looking down at him if their EMS was low, or they chose destroy, otherwise the scene changes if it was not.]

SC: Shepard, you disappoint me. It seems there is little point in devoting any further effort to you.

......
*snip*
..... 

CHILD: So... what happened after?

STARGAZER [laugh]: That's another story my sweet, and one not related to The Shepard.

CHILD: Well.. what happened to him? And his friends?

STARGAZER: Well...

[cut to text crawl, blue background, ME1 theme playing. Text crawl next to each character's picture, including all squad mates, Wrex, Aria, Joker/EDI, Grissom Academy, Earth, Cerberus, TIM ect.]

There, a serviceable ending, incorporating IT, and entirely in cutscenes. Point made. 


You Sir! I love this! Look here Bioware someone made it for you!


/sign

Thank you for your effort, nice read.


*bow* thank you, thank you, I pride myself on my skill.

But don't get me wrong. This isn't what I imagine the cutscene endings to be. This is what I expect Bioware to MAKE.

The simple explanation of "Bioware dropped the ball." simply defies logic, it requires them to somehow, simataneously be excellent at their jobs (as ME3 attests for the most part) while somehow being absolutely TERRIBLE at their jobs. requiring the entire writing team, as well as the developers, the investors, publisher and CO, CEO, and COO to suddenly, somehow have had brain anuyresms all at the same moment.

MORDIN: Statistically unlikely. Verbal irony, communication of idea intended to bite. Clever. Very clever.


You understand that the writings teams can and did change between 1, 2, and 3, right? So your unlikely statistics are suddenly thrown askew.

Or maybe you didn't notice the funny little letters "EA" in front of Bioware now. I admit. They're easy to miss.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

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One thing everyone seems to keep forgetting.

Clarification does not mean no addition. If you ask someone to "clarify" their feelings, they explain their motivations, they don't go "I am feeling upset because I am upset" That's tautology, not clarification.

Worst case scenario? They give clarification of how the SPAAAAAACE MAGIIICCC!:wizard::alien: worked, how everyone teleported, and somehow why it is everything we know is wrong.

But the thing is, they are on record as having said things like not to trust the boy, and tons of other things, even "well, I wouldn't trust it then" when asked how the squad teleported onto the Normandy.

Why would they make us distrust things if they are meant to be taken at a face value?


I do agree mostly. However, the announcement they made felt like they were trolling were hard ... and, after more than a thousand pages in this thread, I think I had my fair share of trolls.
Seriously, I can hardly make sense of why they would release such a fishy PR text at this moment.

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Hang on, why does this announcement mean the indoc theory isnt viable?

#30731
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sponge56 wrote...

Hang on, why does this announcement mean the indoc theory isnt viable?


IT DOESN'T IF YOU BELIEVE HARD ENOUGH!!!!

Make sure to do some stretches before you get started on the mental gymnastics, though!

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 Uh oh, this could be bad...

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#30733
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IT isn't dead until we have that extended ending dlc.

#30734
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balance5050 wrote...

 Uh oh, this could be bad...

https://twitter.com/...013641365327873 


I think they will all die a slow and painful death ... I'd almost feel sorry for them.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

People in this topic have discussed and put forward REALLY good alternatives to this ending and how to go about it. Even if the endings were kept, IT can go on to improve the game afterwards, meaning the original 'art' endings are kept but still finishing the game to our satisfaction.

However, if the FAQ thing is true and the endings are being kept, then it's a bit disillusioning. If the endings are just 'clarified' (i.e. not added to, or changed or whatever) then that's not helping anyone and it's essentially bioware going "here, this is what the endings mean because you are too dumb to understand this art."

Anyway, I've summed up what I think will happen in this image lol.

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Nicely summed up. I kind of wonder where Bioware/EA is heading with all this. I will wait until tomorrow for making my final judgement, but it confuses me how they handle the whole ending debate - I really feel unable to believe that they thought they would get away unharmed with the current ending taked at face value. Yet, even if it turns out that they have some IT-compatible explenation, waiting to disclose it until summer is going to leave a lot of people (including me) quite bitter.

But then, let's see what (space) magic they have prepared for tomorrow.


One thing everyone seems to keep forgetting.

Clarification does not mean no addition. If you ask someone to "clarify" their feelings, they explain their motivations, they don't go "I am feeling upset because I am upset" That's tautology, not clarification.

Worst case scenario? They give clarification of how the SPAAAAAACE MAGIIICCC!:wizard::alien: worked, how everyone teleported, and somehow why it is everything we know is wrong.

But the thing is, they are on record as having said things like not to trust the boy, and tons of other things, even "well, I wouldn't trust it then" when asked how the squad teleported onto the Normandy.

Why would they make us distrust things if they are meant to be taken at a face value?


I don't understand why, if they are going to announce something different tomorrow, they'd 'lie' to us today. Seems odd :S

And about the clarification thing. The endings are staying the same, or so they said. Unless IT is true and there is stuff added on (which isn't really clarifying, but instead adding extra ending stuff) we have to take the ending as 'true' which goes against the supposedly established physics of the ME universe. It would have to be some pretty good clarification for the ending to make sense -as it is now- without seeming like convoluted space magic :(

#30736
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[quote]Makatak wrote...

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

[quote]lex0r11 wrote...

[quote]Tsuarn wrote...

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...

I will prove that IT can work within the constraints of a cinematic. Watch.

Shepard Breath Scene, then, new custscene begins.

[Star child appears before Shepard, looking down at him if their EMS was low, or they chose destroy, otherwise the scene changes if it was not.]

SC: Shepard, you disappoint me. It seems there is little point in devoting any further effort to you.

......
*snip*
..... 

CHILD: So... what happened after?

STARGAZER [laugh]: That's another story my sweet, and one not related to The Shepard.

CHILD: Well.. what happened to him? And his friends?

STARGAZER: Well...

[cut to text crawl, blue background, ME1 theme playing. Text crawl next to each character's picture, including all squad mates, Wrex, Aria, Joker/EDI, Grissom Academy, Earth, Cerberus, TIM ect.]

There, a serviceable ending, incorporating IT, and entirely in cutscenes. Point made. 
[/quote]

You Sir! I love this! Look here Bioware someone made it for you!

[/quote]

/sign

Thank you for your effort, nice read.

[/quote]

*bow* thank you, thank you, I pride myself on my skill.

But don't get me wrong. This isn't what I imagine the cutscene endings to be. This is what I expect Bioware to MAKE.

The simple explanation of "Bioware dropped the ball." simply defies logic, it requires them to somehow, simataneously be excellent at their jobs (as ME3 attests for the most part) while somehow being absolutely TERRIBLE at their jobs. requiring the entire writing team, as well as the developers, the investors, publisher and CO, CEO, and COO to suddenly, somehow have had brain anuyresms all at the same moment.

MORDIN: Statistically unlikely. Verbal irony, communication of idea intended to bite. Clever. Very clever.

[/quote]

You understand that the writings teams can and did change between 1, 2, and 3, right? So your unlikely statistics are suddenly thrown askew.

Or maybe you didn't notice the funny little letters "EA" in front of Bioware now. I admit. They're easy to miss.

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Ok. listen to me carefully. I'll type slowly so I don't lose you.

EA.

has been.

publishing

for 

Mass

Effect

since

the 

beginning.

Look it up, also, I notice you, like several other of the anti-it trolls, all seem to have exactly one game registered, what experience can YOU cite for experience with Mass Effect hmm? Mister, I just joined this year? Hmm?

Also, I'll add for the record, the writing team is mostly the same as ME2, which is mostly the same (plus some additions) as ME1. The only REAL difference is Drew Karpyshyn left.

[quote]Stire Styx wrote...
I don't understand why, if they are going to announce something different tomorrow, they'd 'lie' to us today. Seems odd :S

And about the clarification thing. The endings are staying the same, or so they said. Unless IT is true and there is stuff added on (which isn't really clarifying, but instead adding extra ending stuff) we have to take the ending as 'true' which goes against the supposedly established physics of the ME universe. It would have to be some pretty good clarification for the ending to make sense -as it is now- without seeming like convoluted space magic :( 

Clarifictation means the endings AS THEY ARE are untouched yes. But clarification means explanation, which, REQUIRES additional information. How does that make those "true"? I'll tell you, it doesn't. The endings are still there, they are expanded upon. Voila, clarification.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 05 avril 2012 - 09:31 .


#30737
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balance5050 wrote...

 Uh oh, this could be bad...

https://twitter.com/...013641365327873 



Yep...I'm happy she answered the question, but I hate the answer...

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balance5050 wrote...

 Uh oh, this could be bad...

https://twitter.com/...013641365327873 

Urgh. One person says they're going to say more at PAX, then another says they're not going to...

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balance5050 wrote...

 Uh oh, this could be bad...

https://twitter.com/...013641365327873 


So what? People wait around to find out stuff until sometime in summer?

Screw that.

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

They should have used a real model to scan their face like they did with Meer.


Actually  that was Mark Vanderloo , Meer does the voice.


Oh right! got them confused.

#30741
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JustAidan wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Uh oh, this could be bad...

https://twitter.com/...013641365327873 


So what? People wait around to find out stuff until sometime in summer?

Screw that.


More than likely pop in from time to time or find another game/other games to play until the ex.ending dlc rolls out.

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Still curious what they will say in PAX tomorrow, but I gotta admit I am not as passionate about bioware as I used to be...We will see how their extended cut plays out, but atm the moment I am not excited.

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JustAidan wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Uh oh, this could be bad...

https://twitter.com/...013641365327873 


So what? People wait around to find out stuff until sometime in summer?

Screw that.


If they're not going to go any further than the annoucement, then what are they going to answer? because that will be the only question. 

#30744
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LeRavelle wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

They should have used a real model to scan their face like they did with Meer.


Actually  that was Mark Vanderloo , Meer does the voice.


Oh right! got them confused.


Understandable , both are named Mark.:lol:

#30745
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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Uh oh, this could be bad...

https://twitter.com/...013641365327873 


So what? People wait around to find out stuff until sometime in summer?

Screw that.


More than likely pop in from time to time or find another game/other games to play until the ex.ending dlc rolls out.


Nope I won't, I'll have stopped caring about this rubbish in six months time except to never trust Bioware/EA to make a decent game again.

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balance5050 wrote...

 Uh oh, this could be bad...

https://twitter.com/...013641365327873 


...  They're going to need Garrus Vakarian on security detail.  I wonder if we'll see the first ever video game related riot.

#30748
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LeRavelle wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Uh oh, this could be bad...

https://twitter.com/...013641365327873 


So what? People wait around to find out stuff until sometime in summer?

Screw that.


If they're not going to go any further than the annoucement, then what are they going to answer? because that will be the only question. 


Yeah, What the hell are they going to talk about for an hour and a half?

#30749
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LeRavelle wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Uh oh, this could be bad...

https://twitter.com/...013641365327873 


So what? People wait around to find out stuff until sometime in summer?

Screw that.


If they're not going to go any further than the annoucement, then what are they going to answer? because that will be the only question. 


Buy our multiplayer maps for our repetitive online experience? We have additional costumes for people to buy so they can enjoy the game now?

They are going to get eaten alive.

#30750
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Cucobr wrote...

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So frustrated right now.....

Modifié par DreamTension, 05 avril 2012 - 09:32 .