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[Rifneno]

waldstr18 wrote...

really? i have never been disappointed by children and im a 2nd and 3rd grade math tutor for seperation children. maybe my expectations are not as high as yours. the disappointments usually start to come with 12 years of age.

anyways, you can call me stupid if you want, but i believed the child. i felt like i had no reason not to.

Who's talking about children?  We're talking about a billion plus year old AI taking the shape of a kid.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

lex0r11 wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Well, may as well keep up tradition for PAX. I find the Majora's mask reference even more apt with the moon falling and destroying everyone's hopes and dreams.

http://t0.gstatic.co...UCyLjD3udWGoVwQ

Let's keep to our traditions. After all, we are all just far too stubborn to retreat, aren't we?

If you look hard enough, you will see a little figure ontop of the clock tower.

That's the thread holding the line.

http://gambit.mit.edu/updates/Moon.bmp

So our odds are as good as Shepard and crew facing dowm Sovreign, going through the Omega 4 Relay and saving Earth? Good odds in my book

[TobyHasEyes]

Eshaye wrote...

Except that there's no reason given for the child. Why would the catalyst which is supposed to help kill Reapers, actually be what controls the Reapers? It makes no sense.

A catalyst is something that quickens action in chemistry, like make a glue harden within minutes instead of hours, it creates heat. Has nothing to do with intelligence or control.

I just....Hugh it's too stupid of a reason to be true. lolol. : P

I have a far easier time believing that the child isn't the catalyst at all but the shape of the voice of the Reapers inside Shepard's head.

 The Crucible used dark energy to do x/y/z/kill Reapers, and the Citadel that was referred to as the catalyst was the source the Crucible would use

 I wouldn't say the child was meant to be the Catalyst, as some kind of specfic named entity previously known as the Catalyst, but that it was an advanced A.I situated in the Citadel which controlled the Reapers actions; when Shepard broke the cycle by bringing together the Crucible and the Catalyst the A.I then adjusts and either a) gives you options, or tries to trick you, depending on how you judge it

 Consequently it the Citadel is what was needed to help destroy the Reapers, the A.I was not part of the plans of those designing the Crucible

 I am not convinced by the indoctrination argument; most of it seems to be saying 'from this point onwards it must be a hallucination, because why would they make gameplay choice x? Or have y magically (dis)appear?'.. which just sounds like criticism rather than an argument

[Victia]

The only part of the press statement that brings me hope that IT may still be o n the cards is this 'An official press release went out today announcing how we are re-prioritizing the Mass Effect 3 post release content schedule to provide a more fleshed out experience for our fans' Spcifically the re-prioritizing statement, it seems that this may have been planned all along just not for release this early, but due to the fan reaction they have decided that it needs to be brought forward- my last piece of hope is holding on by a thread!

[Big G13]

LeRavelle wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...

...so...why was the Catalyst identical to the kid...ARGH!!

Because either the reapers used sheps memories to materialize in to something shep had a connection with, or the most recent memory that had the most impact, on top of her mind and was the first thing the reapers could grab.

Or shep used her own memory to make sense of things and fill in holes like she/he did in the Geth VR.

I wish I could use my memory to fill in some these plot holes.

[Kyzee]

Luiginius wrote...

Amh... But the technology is destroyed if you choose "destroy" (in "control" and "Synthesis" Shepard dies) ... And... The 
Quantum Entanglement Communicator are... Well, technology... And... The Normandy crashes, so... The comunication devices should be broken... I mean... 

This is what the extended versions will be full of, selected people, selected technologies will survive no matter
if it is logical or not, as long as it suits their needs. 

Except technology isn't destroyed; all synthetic life is, along with the Citadel and the Mass Relays. So the QEC will still function.

It's just Jessica Merizan answering a question/keeping the speculation alive, guys. No need to panic. 

Modifié par Kyzee, 05 avril 2012 - 10:51 .

[monrapias]

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That's funny.
Sorry, It's getting late.

[Eshaye]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Except that there's no reason given for the child. Why would the catalyst which is supposed to help kill Reapers, actually be what controls the Reapers? It makes no sense.

A catalyst is something that quickens action in chemistry, like make a glue harden within minutes instead of hours, it creates heat. Has nothing to do with intelligence or control.

I just....Hugh it's too stupid of a reason to be true. lolol. : P

I have a far easier time believing that the child isn't the catalyst at all but the shape of the voice of the Reapers inside Shepard's head.

 The Crucible used dark energy to do x/y/z/kill Reapers, and the Citadel that was referred to as the catalyst was the source the Crucible would use

 I wouldn't say the child was meant to be the Catalyst, as some kind of specfic named entity previously known as the Catalyst, but that it was an advanced A.I situated in the Citadel which controlled the Reapers actions; when Shepard broke the cycle by bringing together the Crucible and the Catalyst the A.I then adjusts and either a) gives you options, or tries to trick you, depending on how you judge it

 Consequently it the Citadel is what was needed to help destroy the Reapers, the A.I was not part of the plans of those designing the Crucible

 I am not convinced by the indoctrination argument; most of it seems to be saying 'from this point onwards it must be a hallucination, because why would they make gameplay choice x? Or have y magically (dis)appear?'.. which just sounds like criticism rather than an argument

Okay right, but if the child isn't the catalyst why say so? Were the previous races not aware that their catalyst would be the AI that controls the Reapers? Didn't they think that would be a bit risky, or even work at all? Not that they have anything to lose at this point mind you. 

Also it irritates me to no end that the citadel is both the back door the Reapers would have used to invade and now the source of the weapon we're supposed to use but never do, not the way we expected anyway. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 05 avril 2012 - 10:54 .

[Golferguy758]

Thread reeks of denial at this point.

[Fingertrip]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Thread reeks of denial at this point.

And you're contributing.

[Golferguy758]

Fingertrip wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Thread reeks of denial at this point.

And you're contributing.

Let me guess you think i'm an IT hater, don't you?

[TobyHasEyes]

Eshaye wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Except that there's no reason given for the child. Why would the catalyst which is supposed to help kill Reapers, actually be what controls the Reapers? It makes no sense.

A catalyst is something that quickens action in chemistry, like make a glue harden within minutes instead of hours, it creates heat. Has nothing to do with intelligence or control.

I just....Hugh it's too stupid of a reason to be true. lolol. : P

I have a far easier time believing that the child isn't the catalyst at all but the shape of the voice of the Reapers inside Shepard's head.

 The Crucible used dark energy to do x/y/z/kill Reapers, and the Citadel that was referred to as the catalyst was the source the Crucible would use

 I wouldn't say the child was meant to be the Catalyst, as some kind of specfic named entity previously known as the Catalyst, but that it was an advanced A.I situated in the Citadel which controlled the Reapers actions; when Shepard broke the cycle by bringing together the Crucible and the Catalyst the A.I then adjusts and either a) gives you options, or tries to trick you, depending on how you judge it

 Consequently it the Citadel is what was needed to help destroy the Reapers, the A.I was not part of the plans of those designing the Crucible

 I am not convinced by the indoctrination argument; most of it seems to be saying 'from this point onwards it must be a hallucination, because why would they make gameplay choice x? Or have y magically (dis)appear?'.. which just sounds like criticism rather than an argument

Okay right, but if the child isn't the catalyst why say so? Were the previous races not aware that their catalyst would be the AI that controls the Reapers? Didn't they think that would be a bit risky, or even work at all? Not that they have anything to lose at this point mind you. 

 Okay I forgot he outright says he is the Catalyst, that does make it confusing.. can only assume that prior races had got far enough to contact the A.I, learn its name, and record that information

 That or it adopted the name Catalyst from Shepard's mind, just as it adopted the image of the child

 I hope they make the ending a little less confusing, and bring in some better ending cinematics (and update the final assault cinematics to include all the races involved), but (doubting the indoctrination theory) I have to say I liked the strangeness of the ending, and that it came down to conversation and choice rather than combat (though more recognition of previous choices would be great, maybe that will come out in the end cinematics)

[byne]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Thread reeks of denial at this point.

I dont see how.

You've been in this thread long enough to know IT isnt about getting new endings, its about explaining the ones we got. In other words, its about clarifying the endings, not getting completely new ones.

Nothing in Bioware's blog post invalidates IT, so I dont see why people are interpreting it as doing so.

[Vox Draco]

waldstr18 wrote...

the glowing child told me that would happen, so i believe it.

i believe in the good of people and glowing children.

Ahem...but you don't have any plans right now to save the galaxy from eminent destruction, do you? Because..you know, it would worry me a little...

And by the way, I wonder...can anyone imagine Capt. Picard or Kirk would have believed the kid and simply did as told? Damn, those two guys are better suited for the job saving the galaxy! Guess the soft federation-training they received at the Starfleet Academy is still better than the tough N7-program 

[Rifneno]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Thread reeks of denial at this point.

And you're contributing.

Let me guess you think i'm an IT hater, don't you?

Don't really care.  You're doing the same thing regardless.  "My interpretation is right and anyone who disagrees is just having mental issues.  Also, I don't even remotely understand the Kübler-Ross model I'm using as a basis for this."

[Spiderman_2028]

llbountyhunter wrote...

 damn it bioware.
.
http://www.chiefspla...1&d=1142920093 

I never, and I mean NEVERg et tired of this. Thank you, llbountyhunter. You made me chuckle, despite this whole mess making me extremely angry.

Kudos, friend.

[Gilgamesh117]

There is hope, there is always hope.

Besides with the current ending I never really felt like I took back earth form those reaper beotches.
They gotta give us something more satisfying.

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Thread reeks of denial at this point.

And you're contributing.

Let me guess you think i'm an IT hater, don't you?

Don't really care.  You're doing the same thing regardless.  "My interpretation is right and anyone who disagrees is just having mental issues.  Also, I don't even remotely understand the Kübler-Ross model I'm using as a basis for this."

Golferguy is one of the biggest supporters of IT in the thread though

[Skillz1986]

Still can't get over what merizan said about a possible reunion and the only way for shepard to survive is to choose the red option. i mean...if the endings are, what they seem to be. it's just not possible? Or is there a way..i mean, am i missing something here? I know i keep repeating myself..but can someome try to explain?

By taking the endings for what they are, we are accepting the following facts (chosing destroy with high enough ems...according to jessica, the only possibility for shep to survive):

Shepard is located in/on the (and i'd like to stress this) EXPLODING citadel, and somehow mages to survive it.
The mass relays are blown to infinity.
The normandy crew is getting their holiday on, in paradise.

if i have not missed some crucial information right here. how, in the words of samuel l. jackson...the f**ck is it possible, for shep and crew to reunite (which is possible according to j.merizan)? it's not possible right? (unless miss merizan is full of crap) Which means the current endings cannot be real.

Please, someon try to reasonably explain this to me and i will sadly give up on IT or other explanations to why the ending can't be real.

Sorry for the text wall...

It would be impossible, right? snd i give up on it. or at least, i will not be convinced any longer.

[lex0r11]

Uuuuhh, a little sideline indoctrination inside the thread itself!

You guys creep me out! *shudder*

Modifié par lex0r11, 05 avril 2012 - 11:06 .

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...
Golferguy is one of the biggest supporters of IT in the thread though 

Not saying s/he isn't.  I'm saying they're using the same self-superior "logic" and dimestore psychology.

[lex0r11]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...
Golferguy is one of the biggest supporters of IT in the thread though 

Not saying s/he isn't.  I'm saying they're using the same self-superior "logic" and dimestore psychology.

Come on guys, don't make me get group hug thresher maaaw in here again.

[schneeland]

lex0r11 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...
Golferguy is one of the biggest supporters of IT in the thread though 

Not saying s/he isn't.  I'm saying they're using the same self-superior "logic" and dimestore psychology.

Come on guys, don't make me get group hug thresher maaaw in here again.

He's definitely needed here ... oh, and it wouldn't hurt, if he had councelor Troy on his back

[Golferguy758]

byne wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Thread reeks of denial at this point.

I dont see how.

You've been in this thread long enough to know IT isnt about getting new endings, its about explaining the ones we got. In other words, its about clarifying the endings, not getting completely new ones.

Nothing in Bioware's blog post invalidates IT, so I dont see why people are interpreting it as doing so.

I agree with you in a sense, but the tone in which everything is being presented at this point by Bioware, makes the IDT seem less and less likely. The fact that they aren't goign to address the endings. At All during pax is a big kick to the quad

Do i hope and plead that it's right and that this is sitll an elaborate ploay? Oh Hell yes. More than anything, but does it seem likely to me at this point? No, i can't say it does.

Up until today I was about 60/40 leaning to IDT explaining wtf happened.

After today's announcements and subsequent tweets, I'm at 99% Bioware went LOL LET'S MAKE EVERYTHING SPECULATATION and 1% hope.

Never before have I hoped to be wrong as much as I am now.

[monrapias]

Back to playing fifa 12 I guess.