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[KILLER SQUIDZ]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

KILLER SQUIDZ wrote...

Well according to the newest update in the "Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut" by Derek Larke on the BSN, there will be no new ending nor a changed ending, hence making the IT void.

Now I'm mad...

Again... The point this is missing: changing the ending would mean it didn't have any special meaning thus disproving the IT by default. As it stands at the moment everything is open, the only difference is that we now know we can expect a DLC where BioWare tries to show us the intention.
And: http://social.biowar...3/1237#11061754

No, because if the whole ending was Indoctrination then Shepard would wake up back on Earth and we'd be back to square one. Henceforth they'd need to add new gameplay, not just new cinematics. Thus IT is disproved.

[llbountyhunter]

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

hey, also the whole christian verse thing about pax tomorrow and "the Shepard" would be the first time they incorporate a bible verse into ME.

Im just finishing me2 and im at the part where you recruit legion and your coming up with his name, and edi tells you the chapter, verse, and line in the bible! so clearly someone in bioware really is adding all these hidden biblical messages.

whaaaaaaaat. I don't remember that, we need to analyze that bible verse if it relates to PAX or good friday or whatever.

I think they were just coming up with legions name at this point. But it definitely proves someone is into the bible at bioware.

[Lenimph]

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Not sure about the Archdemon, could be more of a Harvester. (Seriously the first time I saw a Harvester in the trailer of ME3 I had to think about an Archdemon)
In addition: Golems are synthetics, obviously. Why else would Shale have killed the Mage that had found her.

 

 I'm convinced 

[Lenimph]

KILLER SQUIDZ wrote...

No, because if the whole ending was Indoctrination then Shepard would wake up back on Earth and we'd be back to square one. Henceforth they'd need to add new gameplay, not just new cinematics. Thus IT is disproved.

What gameplay? Shep limping over to the citadel and pressing the kill reaper button? 

Maybe Bioware isn't stating there is new gameplay because Shep can be dead/indoctrinated depending on your choice.  That way people won't get angry about there being no "new gameplay" if Bioware promised it.  

[KILLER SQUIDZ]

byne wrote...

KILLER SQUIDZ wrote...

Well according to the newest update in the "Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut" by Derek Larke on the BSN, there will be no new ending nor a changed ending, hence making the IT void.

Now I'm mad...

Except IT has always been about explaining why the current endings are the way they are.

IT has never required a new ending, or a changed ending.

Yeah, except IT isn't confirmed and therefore isn't canon. The whole reason we want a new ending is so that we have a good canon ending to the series. Without confirmation of canon, the whole pizza theory is just as valid as the IT.

[MegumiAzusa]

Lenimph wrote...

KILLER SQUIDZ wrote...

No, because if the whole ending was Indoctrination then Shepard would wake up back on Earth and we'd be back to square one. Henceforth they'd need to add new gameplay, not just new cinematics. Thus IT is disproved.

What gameplay? Shep limping over to the citadel and pressing the kill reaper button? 

Maybe Bioware isn't stating there is new gameplay because Shep can be dead/indoctrinated depending on your choice.  That way people won't get angry about there being no "new gameplay" if Bioware promised it.  

They said something about new cinematics and scenes, scenes doesn't exclude gameplay.

[KILLER SQUIDZ]

Lenimph wrote...

KILLER SQUIDZ wrote...

No, because if the whole ending was Indoctrination then Shepard would wake up back on Earth and we'd be back to square one. Henceforth they'd need to add new gameplay, not just new cinematics. Thus IT is disproved.

What gameplay? Shep limping over to the citadel and pressing the kill reaper button? 

Maybe Bioware isn't stating there is new gameplay because Shep can be dead/indoctrinated depending on your choice.  That way people won't get angry about there being no "new gameplay" if Bioware promised it.  

Maybe, but I'm still skeptical. 

[estebanus]

balance5050 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

hey, also the whole christian verse thing about pax tomorrow and "the Shepard" would be the first time they incorporate a bible verse into ME.

Im just finishing me2 and im at the part where you recruit legion and your coming up with his name, and edi tells you the chapter, verse, and line in the bible! so clearly someone in bioware really is adding all these hidden biblical messages.

whaaaaaaaat. I don't remember that, we need to analyze that bible verse if it relates to PAX or good friday or whatever.

Cronos station (TIM's base) is in the pax system.

[llbountyhunter]

Lenimph wrote...

KILLER SQUIDZ wrote...

No, because if the whole ending was Indoctrination then Shepard would wake up back on Earth and we'd be back to square one. Henceforth they'd need to add new gameplay, not just new cinematics. Thus IT is disproved.

What gameplay? Shep limping over to the citadel and pressing the kill reaper button? 

Maybe Bioware isn't stating there is new gameplay because Shep can be dead/indoctrinated depending on your choice.  That way people won't get angry about there being no "new gameplay" if Bioware promised it.  

Could be like the end of me1: after you kill saren (or in this case beat Id) the reapers lose power, allowing an easy win for the fleets.
choosing control could be like siding with the geth in me
Not sure about synthesis though...

[steve3194]

llbountyhunter wrote...

steve3194 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

steve3194 wrote...

Man this sucks.
No additional info at PAX.
Im losing faith in IT by the hour.

My main problem since the announcement of the "Extended cut" is that gamble said earlier on his twitter the dlc is being made because of the feedback.

Meaning it wasn't planned so it is very likely the original dirt ending was to be the end of shep.

I could believe IT if it was planned pre-release
now it seems hopeless

they never said that... they that, casey said to save our me3 characters since before the game was released.

https://twitter.com/...929141755125760

This seems fairly definitive to me

They said they were working on, not that they started from scratch. So no, not very definitive at all. Besides its Bioware were talking about when have they EVER said anything solid?

He was asked "So it was planned from the beginning? Even before ME3 release? "
He replied "I wouldnt say that."

I find it hard to take anything IT positive from that
Im not trying to be negative

Believe me, I want it to be true but it's getting very hard to believe

[McWhitey3]

So I posted a couple pages ago but this is moving too fast so will try again...

I think that this "extended cut" wasn't planned and is in response to us fans. With that stated though, I also feel that IT is true. I think that this is actually them confirming what we have already deduced that the end was just an indoc. attempt. This "extended cut" is now just extra stuff at the end to clarify that it is IT. There are many many others that didnt like the ending but either do not think IT or have even heard of it. This is what the DLC is catering to. I have this feeling that this free dlc will come out right around the first week of June with E3 and another big announcement.

[Gilgamesh117]

Oh man. I am a lil dissapointed that there is no content to be released this week as originally thought, but that's ok I can wait for the summer for clarification. I guess I'm just bummed they didn't plan a surprise from the start.

[UrgedDuke]

Can you guys even picture us celebrating on this forum after the DLC is released I can't see it happening. I feel like we're being set up for disappointment.

[Freckle Face]

Guyyyysss why won't you understand. They're not going to give us a definitive canon ending. Can't you see? Their #1 goal for this ending was ALWAYS "speculation," Mac Walters said it himself. They won't prove IDT any more than they will disprove it. The only thing they're going to do with this ending is explain what the "face value" ending means so that it becomes a more viable/believable option. I think they want us to debate whether Shepard was indoctrinated or not in the last scenes, but never really know. Afterall, they were even planning to have a scene with Shepard indoctrinated but they cut it out because the logistics of not being able to control Shepard but still controlling conversation choices were too complicated to implement.

Long story short: your pet theories will not be squashed by this DLC. They just want to differentiate the endings for those people who want to take it at face value. I just can't see them giving us a hard fast ending. I don't know why everyone is getting so down about this. The ending of ME3 is that there is no ending. Shepard's fate is up to your imagination. 

Modifié par Freckle Face, 06 avril 2012 - 02:11 .

[ArkkAngel007]

UrgedDuke wrote...

Can you guys even picture us celebrating on this forum after the DLC is released I can't see it happening. I feel like we're being set up for disappointment.

There is no reason to celebrate.  Even if IT were to be true, this whole thing has been a disaster.

[warlock22]

DreamTension wrote...

Pascal219 wrote...

Read this: https://twitter.com/...042687893610496

@GambleMike so from the press release I'm understanding all the dlc will be is a few cinematics? Thats not what most wanted....

@The_R3medy no. It won't just be a 'few cinematics'

It will be several cinematics?  I can play this game, too.

This. Glad someone els saw that to

[balance5050]

UrgedDuke wrote...

Can you guys even picture us celebrating on this forum after the DLC is released I can't see it happening. I feel like we're being set up for disappointment.

If they don't say anything good this weekend, I'll have to forget about ME till the DLC is out, but I will definitly return if we do turn out to be right.

[steve3194]

Freckle Face wrote...

Guyyyysss why won't you understand. They're not going to give us a definitive canon ending. Can't you see? Their #1 goal for this ending was ALWAYS "speculation," Mac Walters said it himself. They won't prove IDT any more than they will disprove it. The only thing they're going to do with this ending is explain what the "face value" ending means so that it becomes a more viable/believable option. I think they want us to debate whether Shepard was indoctrinated or not in the last scenes, but never really know. Afterall, they were even planning to have a scene with Shepard indoctrinated but they cut it out because the logistics of not being able to control Shepard but still controlling conversation choices were too complicated to implement.

Long story short: your pet theories will not be squashed by this DLC. They just want to differentiate the endings for those people who want to take it at face value. I just can't see them giving us a hard fast ending. I don't know why everyone is getting so down about this. The ending of ME3 is that there is no ending. Shepard's fate is up to your imagination. 

I can understand that there will be no canon ending. If that is the case there should be multiple choices and options.

There is a difference in my mind between different endings and different interpertations of an ending

[KILLER SQUIDZ]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Can you guys even picture us celebrating on this forum after the DLC is released I can't see it happening. I feel like we're being set up for disappointment.

There is no reason to celebrate.  Even if IT were to be true, this whole thing has been a disaster.

You're right. I'm starting to wonder if a different ending would even make up for all of this.

[UrgedDuke]

Well if the literal theory is true, and the DLC tries to explain that Clusterf*** of an ending, then I am done with ME forever

[Gilgamesh117]

Freckle Face wrote...

Guyyyysss why won't you understand. They're not going to give us a definitive canon ending. Can't you see? Their #1 goal for this ending was ALWAYS "speculation," Mac Walters said it himself. They won't prove IDT any more than they will disprove it. The only thing they're going to do with this ending is explain what the "face value" ending means so that it becomes a more viable/believable option. I think they want us to debate whether Shepard was indoctrinated or not in the last scenes, but never really know. Afterall, they were even planning to have a scene with Shepard indoctrinated but they cut it out because the logistics of not being able to control Shepard but still controlling conversation choices were too complicated to implement.

Long story short: your pet theories will not be squashed by this DLC. They just want to differentiate the endings for those people who want to take it at face value. I just can't see them giving us a hard fast ending. I don't know why everyone is getting so down about this. The ending of ME3 is that there is no ending. Shepard's fate is up to your imagination. 

But I paid for a conclusion of the series, I did not pay for a video game that sorta ends and is up to my imagination to conclude it

Modifié par Gilgamesh117, 06 avril 2012 - 02:20 .

[SC0TTYD00]

If IT is false then Ms Merizan was a right tease.

[Hacedor1566]

@KILLER SQUIDZ Yeah, except IT isn't confirmed and therefore isn't canon. The whole reason we want a new ending is so that we have a good canon ending to the series. Without confirmation of canon, the whole pizza theory is just as valid as the IT.

And why is that? I mean, if we, the fans, accept this theory, let it become the canon. To hell with Bioware and there colored endings. If the end has no changes, I will not accept it. IT is canon for me, regardless of what Bioware says.

[steve3194]

It's annoying we have to wait so long for the DLC

It better be worth it

[Freckle Face]

steve3194 wrote...

Freckle Face wrote...

Guyyyysss why won't you understand. They're not going to give us a definitive canon ending. Can't you see? Their #1 goal for this ending was ALWAYS "speculation," Mac Walters said it himself. They won't prove IDT any more than they will disprove it. The only thing they're going to do with this ending is explain what the "face value" ending means so that it becomes a more viable/believable option. I think they want us to debate whether Shepard was indoctrinated or not in the last scenes, but never really know. Afterall, they were even planning to have a scene with Shepard indoctrinated but they cut it out because the logistics of not being able to control Shepard but still controlling conversation choices were too complicated to implement.

Long story short: your pet theories will not be squashed by this DLC. They just want to differentiate the endings for those people who want to take it at face value. I just can't see them giving us a hard fast ending. I don't know why everyone is getting so down about this. The ending of ME3 is that there is no ending. Shepard's fate is up to your imagination. 

I can understand that there will be no canon ending. If that is the case there should be multiple choices and options.

There is a difference in my mind between different endings and different interpertations of an ending

I can agree with that. Maybe that's where all this got lost in translation. Bioware knew that if they only gave us one ending, but it could be interpreted many ways, fans would be hella pissed. So they gave us "different" endings that amount to the same thing and are still very open to interpretation, as some sort of compromise between their obvious desire for an ambiguous ending and the fan base's desire for many different outcomes. 

I'm not sure how one would marry the concept of "multiple endings/outcomes" and "ambiguous/debatable outcome" while avoiding "wtf just happened" or "utter lack of any kind of closure." Since I don't see Bioware giving up their dream of "lots of speculation for EVERYBODY," it will be interesting to see their solution. But I personally think it will be worth the wait.