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Jade8aby88 wrote...

anyone wanna read a bit of an indoc fanfic ending? lol


Hit me, i'm having breakfast over here right now.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

anyone wanna read a bit of an indoc fanfic ending? lol

I DO! IDO!

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Go easy, first one lol.


If Indoctrination Theory is not true then I'm declaring it true for me and this will forever be my head-canon on the ending.


Shepard wakes up in London after resisting the indoctrination, she's groggy, confused.. She hears people shouting but can't make out the words... As she turns over onto her hands and knees she hears one of them say "... heard her... said pull back! .. treat!" 
She thinks she's okay as she regains her focus.. But as she staggers on to her feet a dash of pain runs through
her body causing her to cringe and exhale as she falls back to her knees. She is hurt, but when she looks down to assess her wounds she realizes there's no bleeding.
She inspects the source of her pain to see parts of her flesh have been burnt away and beneath the multiple layers of torn skin and tissue she can see her cybernetic implants. She inhales sharply from the shock causing another spike of pain to ripple through her body as she falls back to her knees. Taking a moment to gather herself, she realizes that if she can concentrate and stay calm, she can control the pain.
Knowing this, she regains her composure, gets back to her feet and turns around to watch Alliance forces in a heavy retreat.
While unable to predict how little are left of the Hammer Team she makes out two people in the crowd that look like her squadmates, also in retreat with the Alliance. As she gets up to assess the situation she notices all the reaper ground forces in pursuit of them. (Hammer team Squad members die if bad history/unloyal from
 ME2).
She shakes her head to regain her focus and go after them but then realizes they still have to activate the crucible, regretfully she turns towards the beam and to her astonishment she is a lot further away then she originally was, she winces at the memory of the beam that sent her flying, but decides she can still complete her mission, if the road is clear. She makes a run for it, at first there is no one in sight but suddenly she is stopped in her tracks as a deafening low pitch rumble causes her to cover her ears, A Reaper horn.
"Harbinger" Shepard mutters in distaste. He was waiting there all along, in the very spot where he first landed.
Shepard stands still, waiting to see if he'll make a move. After some time, he speaks.
Harbinger- "How do you resist us Shepard?
Shepard doesn't answer him, just gives him a look of hatred and exhausted desperation.
Harbinger- "Trillions of lives have succumb to me, but you still resist. You should be honoured, human."
Shepard shouts (paragon): "You haven't stopped me yet!"
Shepard shouts (renegade)- "Yea, well I haven't killed you yet!"
Harbinger: "Ignorant vermin, you cannot hurt me."
Shepard: "You know what? If the Reapers are so superior why haven't you stopped us!?"
Harbinger: "Foolish, we are the unstoppable power. Your species merely gained my attention when you defeated Sovereign. All we did was delay the inevitable."
Shepard hears a scream and turns around to see 3 husks in the distance, they're huddled around an alliance soldier and as they flail their arms about, blood coats their silvery canvas.
Harbinger: "It is only now that I realize it is not your species that is special. It is you."
Shepard paragon: "It doesn't matter what you think of me we're going to stop you!"
Shepard renegade: "I don't care what you think of me I'm going to end you!"
Harbinger: "Your persistence is futile, Shepard. Your attacks are an insult."

Shepard spots movement out the corner of her eye and looks to see ground troops are turning around and coming back to her position.

Harbinger: "You escaped us before Shepard, not again. We are in control now, I will decide your fate, you have failed."
Shepard paragon: "You know that's not true! You tried to indoctrinate me and it failed! You failed!"
Shepard renegade: "You're lying! You're just scared of me. You know I can't be controlled and that scares you!"
Harbinger: "Your allies have fallen, you have no one left. You will perish and we will study your remains. That is what you face, this is your destiny, you cannot escape it."
Shepard hears gunfire and turns to see ground troops getting closer, she looks around and notices an Avenger lying on the ground, she picks it up and walks backwards toward the beam to try and get to the crucible. As she turns to make another desperate run for the beam Harbinger blasts an area quite a way infront of her.
"Face your annihalation!" Harbinger taunts.
She turns to see the reaper forces approaching, there's no where to run so she looks for some cover, dashes over to it, reloads her gun and turns again to face the menacing horde advancing...
Then there's a gameplay fight to try and hold them off (Slightly easier as sheps by herself and has no armor). After a certain amount of time during this fight it is interupted with a cutscene unexpectedly..
The Reaper forces are closing in, she keeps shooting but they keep closing quicker than she can get a shot off.. Over the heads of the cannibals and husks in the distance she hears a Banshee's wail as it dashes through the crowd toward her... She looks right for a way to fall back and sees a bunch of Brutes bashing through cars and obstacles to get at her. As a last resort she looks to go left and sees a team of Marauders moving in with some Ravagers not far behind them. She looks behind her and finds nothing but open space between her and the citadel beam, not an option. She looks up to the sky hopelessly for an answer, as if it's another way out.

*Hopeful music plays as* She sees an Alliance fighter moving in from the left, it gets off several shots into the ravagers before it gets shot down by a couple of Oculi overhead. As it explodes Shepard flinches from the heat and rolls into better cover in preparation for the Reapers advance.

*It Cuts to a slow motion shot of Shepards face with this music playing and SFX muffled*
She turns down to look at her injuries. Bullets keep pounding into the pieces of cement she's taking cover behind yet she no longer flinches. In another world, she closes her eyes and takes a deep breath. She hears a voice inside her head, "we need you Shepard." (this is your LI or Garrus by default).

Shepard gains a grain of hope, but that's all she needs, she remembers the whole purpose of her speeches, the whole motto of her journey. The embodiment of hope.

*The theme switches from that music to this* with normal speed and SFX level as* She snaps out of it, readys her position and starts working down the Marauders, trying desperately to clear a path through the weakest side of the Reaper offensive.  After a couple of shots she hears a deafening scream as she notices the Banshee has been closing in and fast!
She tries to manoeuvre around to the left to gain seperation but the Marauders are closing in too fast and she realizes she is going to get cornered again.
Suddenly, the ground begins to quake as a massive explosion erupts in the middle of the reaper forces annihalating most of the troops. She takes cover as the ground shakes from the explosion.
When she looks up, she hears the Banshee wail one last time as it implodes and is stunned, "what the!?" she mutters before she looks up to see a Shiny white cerberus shuttle flying away. "Cerberus!? But...." she falters when she notices the ground didn't stop shaking, the Brutes are close.
She looks up to her right and sees them, not even 30 metres away walking steadily and confidently toward her.

Her fight or flight instinct reacts instantly as she turns and sprints to the lefthand side. The Brutes
counteract immediately, greatly picking up their speed like an animal would to hunt its prey. She doesn't look back as she bolts in the opposite direction, chancing that the Marauders were wiped out by the explosion. When she advances through the debris and notices bits of them everywhere she knows it might just give her an opportunity, a way out.
She keeps sprinting whilst searching for somewhere, anywhere to get away from them, they are obviously faster and are closing the gap quickly. She considers dropping her rifle for extra speed, but notices a small opening a crater has created into the sewers beneath the street.
Using the last of her remaining energy to propel herself toward the gap and dive into it, she gets in and moves
as far back as possible. At the same time a Brute slams into the gap causing the walls of the passage to shiver as dust covers the air. The Brute growls at her, it cannot fit inside.

It reaches its arm in and claws at the wall, aspiring to get at its prey (when this happens a renegade button appears giving you an option to unload a magazine into it from your rifle). Either way the Brute realizes it can't break through and pulls its arm out, snarles at Shepard and moves backward as if preparing a run up.

Frantically, Shepard turns around trying to find another way out when the ground is rocked by another explosion. As she turns around again to look back outside she sees a burst of white light and quickly jumps out of the way as the peircing white light flames through the crack causing the rubble to shift and close the passage.
It goes dark, she moves away from the entrance incase it collaspes further and looks on into the blackness before her.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 06 avril 2012 - 09:00 .


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Ah hell, my theory for how it turns out got buried in the shuffle. Want me to dig it back up again?

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I've read the statement made by bioware, and as it turned out there was no indoctrination or anything of the sort.

just bad writting.

and now they say they will add more content in order ot explain what happened.

I can see it now.

this is why joker was running away, this is why you see your squadmates aboard the normandy, this is why Anderson beats you to the console even if there is no other path to it.

etc...
really sad.

I'm going to uninstal all my ME games and burn the discs, I've had it with bioware.

Modifié par Tr0n01d, 06 avril 2012 - 07:55 .


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Eshaye wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

Only problem is, one of the great hopes of the IT was that Bioware would be continuing the story from where Shepard wakes up. This "Extended Cut" pretty much confirms that this will not be the case. Unless of course they are planning an ME 4. But I can't imagine that could make up an entire game.


They could make an expansion. There used to be a time when they were almost expected. I miss those times. 


You would of think they would have already announced it instead of an "Extended Cut."

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Tr0n01d wrote...

this is why joker was running away, this is why you see your squadmates aboard the normandy, this is why Anderson beats you to the console even if there is no other path to it.

if they have a GOOD explanation for these events, tbh i'll be content. but man oh man, are they gonna have one heckuva time tryna convince me though :whistle:

Modifié par doeman87, 06 avril 2012 - 07:56 .


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Honestly, if Bioware really doesn't run with the whole IT thing, whether they had it planned or not, they should be ridiculed harder than if they had just released the endings as is and IT wasn't insinuated. How dumb and stubborn do you have to be to not take up this awesome idea and create something spectacular? The fame and fortune it could bring the company would be outstanding.

I don't even really care about the endings that much, because unlike most of you I can just move on pretty easily. But I would have to question ever buying another Bioware game again knowing that they were that stupid.

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Tr0n01d wrote...

I've read the statement made by bioware, and as it turned out there was no indoctrination or anything of the sort.

just bad writting.

and now they say they will add more content in order ot explain what happened.

I can see it now.

this is why joker was running away, this is why you see your squadmates aboard the normandy, this is why Anderson beats you to the console even if there is no other path to it.

etc...
really sad.

I'm going to uninstal all my ME games and burn the discs, I've had it with bioware.


I have read the exact same annoucement, and see nothing that precludes indoctrination theory.

I have also seen NOTHING that indicates bad writing. How can a writer of ANY sort actually write something 98 % "Best of all time" and destroy it in two minutes, unintentionally? And I refuse to beleive they would do so intentionally, EA would have Bioware's guts for garters if they tried, not to mention their investors.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Tr0n01d wrote...

I've read the statement made by bioware, and as it turned out there was no indoctrination or anything of the sort.

just bad writting.

and now they say they will add more content in order ot explain what happened.

I can see it now.

this is why joker was running away, this is why you see your squadmates aboard the normandy, this is why Anderson beats you to the console even if there is no other path to it.

etc...
really sad.

I'm going to uninstal all my ME games and burn the discs, I've had it with bioware.


I have read the exact same annoucement, and see nothing that precludes indoctrination theory.

I have also seen NOTHING that indicates bad writing. How can a writer of ANY sort actually write something 98 % "Best of all time" and destroy it in two minutes, unintentionally? And I refuse to beleive they would do so intentionally, EA would have Bioware's guts for garters if they tried, not to mention their investors.


Here's hoping and holding the line. Like you, I'm battled that the quility of writing would take such a turn to the last 15 mins. I can't believe that, sorry. Call me in denial or anything.

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Huh? Where did it go? I already read it. :lol:



So here's me while reading it.
Posted Image

Yes yes, very good. *munch*
*takes notes*

Would've changed one or two things during the whole fighting scene, but still interesting.

Modifié par lex0r11, 06 avril 2012 - 08:07 .


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I read this too, and all that could easily fit into the "cinematic sequences" Bioware is talking about.

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Rifneno wrote...

Ahh, that makes a lot of sense. Though I still don't see why everything that happens after should be a snowballing effect. Unless the end result is a Reaper victory from Shepard being indoctrinated. I mean, if Shepard beats the indoctrination that doesn't do anything except save his mind. The galaxy is still under siege from a countless horde of metal Cthulus. How does Shepard being the indoctrination snowball into their defeat?


As I said, the reason for the... 'interview' could be numerous - a test, an indoctrination attempt, a hallucination, they can still spin it anyway they want.

For a moment let's take the Crucible out of the picture.

The galaxy is still under siege from a countless horde of metal Cthulus

Precisely what I've been thinking.

With the reputed overwhelming power of the Reapers I just don't see how they should be defeated at all in the first place. After all, they've been doing it for countless cycles, why would this cycle be any different? Shepard? He's just a puny human who turned out to be awesome, not some prophecized messiah. You can't beat these titans, no.

The only remotely plausible option for me is for them to leave. The last encounter was a test, Shepard passed. But that would be kinda corny and cliche (on the other hand you can also argue that defeating Reapers would feel too Hollywood-ish).


The Crucible

Ah.. this. How will this fit in? The final scene showing it firing would contradict a scene of the Reapers leaving after Shepard woke up. And they can't show a scene of Shepard getting up and firing it either because that will take away the mystery of Crucible (that is if they intend to keep it as it is) by confirming that it is a weapon. There's a few possibilities that I can roughly think of.

  • They choose to go for a clear cut ending. I don't think so.
  • Shepard woke up - no Reaper is shown. Player will not be shown explicitly whether they actually die or leave.
  • The breath scene is kept as it is, but the current scenes are expanded to give more details and better differentiate the choices. I think this is the more logical one (now that I think of it). I quote the FAQs below. Pay attention to the wording.

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.


Or they could expand the existing scenes AND extend the breath scene as well. I just hope what ever it is, it's surprising. Or at least more emotional. You know, when all else fail it always works to just make it emotional.

BW you better nail this.

Modifié par Fhaarkas, 06 avril 2012 - 02:32 .


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kilgorek wrote...

Honestly, if Bioware really doesn't run with the whole IT thing, whether they had it planned or not, they should be ridiculed harder than if they had just released the endings as is and IT wasn't insinuated. How dumb and stubborn do you have to be to not take up this awesome idea and create something spectacular? The fame and fortune it could bring the company would be outstanding.


Bioware NEVER insinuated that they wouldn't use indoctrination. It is being used in all three games and in major twists at that, is it so hard to realize that is what the ending of ME 3 was about?

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pirate1802 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Tr0n01d wrote...

I've read the statement made by bioware, and as it turned out there was no indoctrination or anything of the sort.

just bad writting.

and now they say they will add more content in order ot explain what happened.

I can see it now.

this is why joker was running away, this is why you see your squadmates aboard the normandy, this is why Anderson beats you to the console even if there is no other path to it.

etc...
really sad.

I'm going to uninstal all my ME games and burn the discs, I've had it with bioware.


I have read the exact same annoucement, and see nothing that precludes indoctrination theory.

I have also seen NOTHING that indicates bad writing. How can a writer of ANY sort actually write something 98 % "Best of all time" and destroy it in two minutes, unintentionally? And I refuse to beleive they would do so intentionally, EA would have Bioware's guts for garters if they tried, not to mention their investors.


Here's hoping and holding the line. Like you, I'm battled that the quility of writing would take such a turn to the last 15 mins. I can't believe that, sorry. Call me in denial or anything.


I really hope that i'm proved dead wrong about what I said, I really do, thats why i'm going to whait until the DLC's are released and see by miself.

but as things go, that becomes less and less likely.


I really hope that I didn't wasted 5 years of my life in a frustrating experience.

'till this summer, I will hold the line.

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Wasn't there a theory that Shepard in those final moments was inside the Reaper consensus (whatever that is) like the Geth consensus? If it is not IT then that's my next best guess; her decisions in the consensus leading to the demise of the Reapers in the real world.

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Tr0n01d wrote...

I really hope that i'm proved dead wrong about what I said, I really do, thats why i'm going to whait until the DLC's are released and see by miself.

but as things go, that becomes less and less likely.


I really hope that I didn't wasted 5 years of my life in a frustrating experience.

'till this summer, I will hold the line.


Ask yourself a question. Did you have fun playing those games for those 5 years?
If you did, then you did not waste any time at all. See this as a opportunity to grow.

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Fhaarkas wrote...

With the reputed overwhelming power of the Reapers I just don't see how they could be defeated at all in the first place. After all, they've been doing it for countless cycles, why would this cycle be any different? Shepard? He's just a puny human who turned out to be awesome, not some prophecized messiah. You can't beat these titans, no.

Actually, I might disagree with you on that. There are several differences in this Cycle from the rest. I've written a comment about this in this thread, but can't find it right now.

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kilgorek wrote...

Honestly, if Bioware really doesn't run with the whole IT thing, whether they had it planned or not, they should be ridiculed harder than if they had just released the endings as is and IT wasn't insinuated. How dumb and stubborn do you have to be to not take up this awesome idea and create something spectacular? The fame and fortune it could bring the company would be outstanding.

I don't even really care about the endings that much, because unlike most of you I can just move on pretty easily. But I would have to question ever buying another Bioware game again knowing that they were that stupid.


Exactly what I thought, nonetheless there are some great problems with the ending and (sorry) the whole game as it stands.
The IDT was heavily hinted by the game itself and by Jessica Merizan too, if it's not what BioWare is going to do (and I greatly fear so right now) some questions will remain unanswered. Since I'm a little bored I'll list some of questions they should answer:

- The kid in the vent was real?
- Jessica Merizan just had some fun hinting at IDT?
- What happened to Harbinger?
- Why is the Catalyst identical to the kid?
- Why is the Catalyst voiced by Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale?

Edit - Forgot the million dollar questions

-Where is Shepard breathing?
-Why was the "Shepard alive" scene included?

Modifié par NikolaiShade, 06 avril 2012 - 08:30 .


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Tr0n01d wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Tr0n01d wrote...

I've read the statement made by bioware, and as it turned out there was no indoctrination or anything of the sort.

just bad writting.

and now they say they will add more content in order ot explain what happened.

I can see it now.

this is why joker was running away, this is why you see your squadmates aboard the normandy, this is why Anderson beats you to the console even if there is no other path to it.

etc...
really sad.

I'm going to uninstal all my ME games and burn the discs, I've had it with bioware.


I have read the exact same annoucement, and see nothing that precludes indoctrination theory.

I have also seen NOTHING that indicates bad writing. How can a writer of ANY sort actually write something 98 % "Best of all time" and destroy it in two minutes, unintentionally? And I refuse to beleive they would do so intentionally, EA would have Bioware's guts for garters if they tried, not to mention their investors.


Here's hoping and holding the line. Like you, I'm battled that the quility of writing would take such a turn to the last 15 mins. I can't believe that, sorry. Call me in denial or anything.


I really hope that i'm proved dead wrong about what I said, I really do, thats why i'm going to whait until the DLC's are released and see by miself.

but as things go, that becomes less and less likely.


I really hope that I didn't wasted 5 years of my life in a frustrating experience.

'till this summer, I will hold the line.


This is something important that someone pointed out to me.

The ending is, in the larger scheme of things, unimportant. Life will go on if the ending sucks, and Bioware has somehow defied logic and done the impossible by managing to be so bad by accident rather than design.

The only thing at issue here is not "Life or death for real people."

It's "Do we write Bioware off as morons who no longer deserve my time and or money?"

I don't want to do that personally. Even if the endings still suck come summer, even if we're completely wrong and the entire team somehow had their brains sucked out, becoming raving idiots rather than the company that hid Darth Revan in the most unimaginable place conceivable, Bioware has still done enough good things that this isn't the last I will hear of them.

The fact is, the line is unimportant. It's what's behind the line we're holding it for. Our love of a company that makes great characters, great worlds and great games.

So the fact is, lighten up. Don't do melodrama, it won't make you feel better in the end. It's not encouragement I give, but a bit of common sense. Take comfort in a few concepts. Self interest, greed, creative drive, empathy, hysteria, disappointment.

I beleive that Bioware are smart enough to do this, take advantage of it, or simply are even monetarily greedy enough to, they know this kills their franchise if they go on with the ending being as was shown. 

The doubt in my mind? What does it's argument amount to? "What if." That's it, "What if we're wrong?" Then the games had a bad end and there's disappointment. That's it. "What if they don't do anything?" we know they will, they themselves said so, our capitalist economy will keep them honest if nothing else.

You know, the thing I realized? This doubt might be intentional. We're fighting for our happy ending just as much as Shepard. And we're doubting ourselves just as much. We've got the weight of an entire fictional galaxy on our shoulders. Just like Shepard. The question is, do you give into despair and let things fall apart? Or have faith things have a chance to turn out well?

I know what I have. Because hope is all I have left here. And without hope, we have nothing.

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DashingSplash wrote...

Tr0n01d wrote...

I really hope that i'm proved dead wrong about what I said, I really do, thats why i'm going to whait until the DLC's are released and see by miself.

but as things go, that becomes less and less likely.


I really hope that I didn't wasted 5 years of my life in a frustrating experience.

'till this summer, I will hold the line.


Ask yourself a question. Did you have fun playing those games for those 5 years?
If you did, then you did not waste any time at all. See this as a opportunity to grow.


I did, it was one helluva ride. I'll play the whole trilogy again once I'm done with ME3. Bad ending doesn't take away  from how awesome the trilogy as whole is. And Shepard.. never before I felt so much for an imaginary character. So for me it was not a waste.

BTW I hear there is a descripancy between the total size of data on the disks and those on the drive? Can anyone illuminate me on this?

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Tr0n01d wrote...

I'm going to uninstal all my ME games and burn the discs, I've had it with bioware.


Pics, or it never happens.

Maybe that's what BioWare are after... people gathering in public spaces, burning huge piles of Mass Effect discs (referencing the somewhat-controversial picture from earlier- not gonna repost it...)

edit: spelling

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pirate1802 wrote...

DashingSplash wrote...

Tr0n01d wrote...

I really hope that i'm proved dead wrong about what I said, I really do, thats why i'm going to whait until the DLC's are released and see by miself.

but as things go, that becomes less and less likely.


I really hope that I didn't wasted 5 years of my life in a frustrating experience.

'till this summer, I will hold the line.


Ask yourself a question. Did you have fun playing those games for those 5 years?
If you did, then you did not waste any time at all. See this as a opportunity to grow.


I did, it was one helluva ride. I'll play the whole trilogy again once I'm done with ME3. Bad ending doesn't take away  from how awesome the trilogy as whole is. And Shepard.. never before I felt so much for an imaginary character. So for me it was not a waste.

BTW I hear there is a descripancy between the total size of data on the disks and those on the drive? Can anyone illuminate me on this?


There is not. I myself verified it. only a .2gb difference between info on PC and PS3 discs

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Shooter__Andy wrote...

Fhaarkas wrote...

With the reputed overwhelming power of the Reapers I just don't see how they could be defeated at all in the first place. After all, they've been doing it for countless cycles, why would this cycle be any different? Shepard? He's just a puny human who turned out to be awesome, not some prophecized messiah. You can't beat these titans, no.

Actually, I might disagree with you on that. There are several differences in this Cycle from the rest. I've written a comment about this in this thread, but can't find it right now.


I was being a bit dramatic there :lol:. The idea is that these are not enemies you can fight with sticks and stones (at best both sides will be reduced to ashes). Unless they want to confirm that the Crucible is indeed a weapon.

BUT I am not in any way familiar with the lore of ME so I'd love to be enlightened and see any point of view.

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DashingSplash wrote...

Tr0n01d wrote...

I really hope that i'm proved dead wrong about what I said, I really do, thats why i'm going to whait until the DLC's are released and see by miself.

but as things go, that becomes less and less likely.


I really hope that I didn't wasted 5 years of my life in a frustrating experience.

'till this summer, I will hold the line.


Ask yourself a question. Did you have fun playing those games for those 5 years?
If you did, then you did not waste any time at all. See this as a opportunity to grow.


You make a fair point.
But while I did play each game for fun, the biggest reason I did multiple playthroughs was to see the different outcomes in ME3, as they repeatedly promised we would. The fact that the stupid RGB ending completely invalidates everything that came before it makes those extra playthroughs nothing more than a massive waste of my time. <_<  If I had know what was coming, I would never have sunk in as many hours as I did in the ME franchise. I'd have probably just bullrushed through the three games and forgotten about it as quickly as I could, with little to no emotional attachment to the universe Bioware created.