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[eclipso621]

Ok sorry I can't quote for my phone it won't let me wrote anything but to continue with the whole VI thing. Lai Leng defiantly ain't all human.

Not trying to go against this I mean I pray you guys are right.

[LadyVakarian]

I fully believe in this theory, and have even done some indoctrinating of my own. My two brothers agree with this theory after I showed it to them. There is just too much evidence against it! Oh and also, THIS is how I felt before coming across this thread (aside from the sick-to-my-stomach-I-can't-eat feeling...)

[Lambchopz]

FugitiveMind wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Foulpancake wrote...

yes it was, but it looks largely overlooked thusfar but yes i agree. I saw the "Ghostly figures" thing and i'm like "holy ****!? why else would creepy little god-child thing appear like a ghost"

It hasn't been overlooked. It was discussed in detail about 50 pages back.

That is the problem with this thread. It's on its second wave of new believers. Each new wave comes with people realizing the same things that have been posted, but have been buried in pages of text that would take too long for people to read.

So, I hope that Byne, the OP, continues to update the front page with our observations. This will help reduce the number of restatements and old revelations that are posted as new truth (and people getting mad about when others don't acknowledge them).

It's almost like every 50(thousand) pages the cycle is forced to repeat itself.

Having gotten this far you have 3 choices in this theory:
Red: it's a hallucination brought on by indoctrination
Green: it's all a dream
Blue: that's all we're getting you're wasting your time

Of course regardless of which one you pick, the result is the same:
your hope is still dead, and we're all stranded on a planet with no hope of a response until at least tomorrow...

I think some people are enjoying this discussion, regardless of BioWares response (or lack thereof).

Also, flooding this idea with positive response and promises of throwing money is probably the best way to increase the chance it actually happens. Not a bad thing.

[oh_saki]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

I find myself agreeing with the line of thinking that since Shepard's mind reflected that of a Prothean, it may have been more difficult for the Prothean VI to detect the fact that Shepard was partially indoctrinated. It could also mean that in order for the Prothean VI to detect indoctrination in an individual, it has to be at a certain level before alarms start going off.

I disagree, one would imagine that if Shepard was more like a Prothean, the Prothean VI would be able to read himbetter than without the cipher. And once again, I bring up Garrus and even Tali, who's been with you throughout and why they wouldn't be detected by the VI either? I really don't think that Shep's been indoctrinated prior to meeting with the VI. I think the nightmares he's been having is just a result of PTSD, especially after leaving Earth.

[Lugaidster]

FugitiveMind wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Foulpancake wrote...

yes it was, but it looks largely overlooked thusfar but yes i agree. I saw the "Ghostly figures" thing and i'm like "holy ****!? why else would creepy little god-child thing appear like a ghost"

It hasn't been overlooked. It was discussed in detail about 50 pages back.

That is the problem with this thread. It's on its second wave of new believers. Each new wave comes with people realizing the same things that have been posted, but have been buried in pages of text that would take too long for people to read.

So, I hope that Byne, the OP, continues to update the front page with our observations. This will help reduce the number of restatements and old revelations that are posted as new truth (and people getting mad about when others don't acknowledge them).

It's almost like every 50(thousand) pages the cycle is forced to repeat itself.

Having gotten this far you have 3 choices in this theory:
Red: it's a hallucination brought on by indoctrination
Green: it's all a dream
Blue: that's all we're getting you're wasting your time

Of course regardless of which one you pick, the result is the same:
your hope is still dead, and we're all stranded on a planet with no hope of a response until at least tomorrow...

Best. Analogy. Ever. I keep getting this feeling of de ja vu every a few tens of pages.

[N3vDawg]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

I really think BW is giving us the tools to figure this out on our own. We are 3 games in, we should know what indoctrination looks like now.

I've been trying to look back on the older games to figure out clues given for indotrination. I noticed extreme similarities between TIM and Saren's final conversations with you for example. Still going over it in my head.

[Mizar_Panzar]

One more thing to add:

Why is joker trying to flee in the Normandy? He could've just parked it on earth and everything will be fine. The giant wave did nothing to the human soldiers on earth, all I see is they cheer as the red wave incapacitate the reapers......

[krystalevenstar]

Did anyone today mention the 2 -HUGE- things brought up last night? In the Marine Corp, the last portion of basic training is apparently called 'The Crucible', which culminates in a huge mountain climb called 'The Reaper'.

The definition of Crucible is; A place or occasion of severe test or trial: "the crucible of combat".

[MrAtomica]

Mizar_Panzar wrote...

There were indeed, BIG plotholes, I just thought of another one:

1. If shepard's squadmates are alive and well (which they are according to the final scenes), then why don't they at least try to help their critically injured commander? I took Ashley and Garrus with me. There's no way they would abandon shepard in any situation, even if shepard died, they will still try to retrieve his body, or die trying.

2. How comes in the scene where Normandy crash-land on some planet, the two surviving squad-members just HAPPENED to be the two you picked with you for the final push? Where the hell did all the others go?

It's funny, because Javik just showed up on the final planet, despite the fact that I had taken Ashley and Liara.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

eclipso621 wrote...

If shep was indoctrinated the whole time wouldn't the protean VI.. Spelt wrong I'm sure.... Be able to tell. He knew kai leng was

I just realized this. /facepalm/

[Lugaidster]

oh_saki wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

I find myself agreeing with the line of thinking that since Shepard's mind reflected that of a Prothean, it may have been more difficult for the Prothean VI to detect the fact that Shepard was partially indoctrinated. It could also mean that in order for the Prothean VI to detect indoctrination in an individual, it has to be at a certain level before alarms start going off.

I disagree, one would imagine that if Shepard was more like a Prothean, the Prothean VI would be able to read himbetter than without the cipher. And once again, I bring up Garrus and even Tali, who's been with you throughout and why they wouldn't be detected by the VI either? I really don't think that Shep's been indoctrinated prior to meeting with the VI. I think the nightmares he's been having is just a result of PTSD, especially after leaving Earth.

The VI says indoctrinated, not indoctrinating. Shepard is supposedly in the process, not converted. Unlike Leng.

[Invisibilly]

byne wrote...

strive wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

If they forced me to pay for a proper ending, I truly would never buy another EA or BioWare product again just because of how grave an insult it is. I wouldn't even buy the ending, I'd just look it up you youtube.

Same.

I dont really get this line of thinking.

If they instead decided to do the proper ending as an entirely new game, people would just be like 'Oh, ME3 was a cliffhanger, I'll have to buy ME4 to see what happens!", but if they decide to do it as DLC instead of a new game people get mad?

I had said the same thing earlier today. You just have to think of it as a sequel or expansion to justify it.

[John Never Dies]

Also a little detail here, no clue if it had been discuss, but destroying the reaps emits a red mass of energy. Controlling them creates a blue one.

Paragon has been seen throughout the series as blue, further giving the player who chose control a sense of right.

[lookingglassmind]

Lugaidster wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Foulpancake wrote...

yes it was, but it looks largely overlooked thusfar but yes i agree. I saw the "Ghostly figures" thing and i'm like "holy ****!? why else would creepy little god-child thing appear like a ghost"

It hasn't been overlooked. It was discussed in detail about 50 pages back.

That is the problem with this thread. It's on its second wave of new believers. Each new wave comes with people realizing the same things that have been posted, but have been buried in pages of text that would take too long for people to read.

So, I hope that Byne, the OP, continues to update the front page with our observations. This will help reduce the number of restatements and old revelations that are posted as new truth (and people getting mad about when others don't acknowledge them).

It's almost like every 50(thousand) pages the cycle is forced to repeat itself.

Having gotten this far you have 3 choices in this theory:
Red: it's a hallucination brought on by indoctrination
Green: it's all a dream
Blue: that's all we're getting you're wasting your time

Of course regardless of which one you pick, the result is the same:
your hope is still dead, and we're all stranded on a planet with no hope of a response until at least tomorrow...

Best. Analogy. Ever. I keep getting this feeling of de ja vu every a few tens of pages.

*grins* Excellent analogy, yes.

[N3vDawg]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Did anyone today mention the 2 -HUGE- things brought up last night? In the Marine Corp, the last portion of basic training is apparently called 'The Crucible', which culminates in a huge mountain climb called 'The Reaper'.

The definition of Crucible is; A place or occasion of severe test or trial: "the crucible of combat".

BOOM! Mind exploded:O

[Lambchopz]

Lugaidster wrote...

oh_saki wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

I find myself agreeing with the line of thinking that since Shepard's mind reflected that of a Prothean, it may have been more difficult for the Prothean VI to detect the fact that Shepard was partially indoctrinated. It could also mean that in order for the Prothean VI to detect indoctrination in an individual, it has to be at a certain level before alarms start going off.

I disagree, one would imagine that if Shepard was more like a Prothean, the Prothean VI would be able to read himbetter than without the cipher. And once again, I bring up Garrus and even Tali, who's been with you throughout and why they wouldn't be detected by the VI either? I really don't think that Shep's been indoctrinated prior to meeting with the VI. I think the nightmares he's been having is just a result of PTSD, especially after leaving Earth.

The VI says indoctrinated, not indoctrinating. Shepard is supposedly in the process, not converted. Unlike Leng.

Right. This would be fairly easy to work around. The fact that the Prothean VI doesn't realize it doesn't mean it's impossible.

Right now this thread is theorizing that Shepard is on the verge of being fully indoctrinated at the end. It's not until you make the final choice that you choose whether or not you are indoctrinated officially (in theory).

[ceruleancrescent]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

eclipso621 wrote...

 So just restarted my second playthough....Did anyone else notice when you first run into the husks, the little kid runs into the room you enter be for the door closes.

...what?

This is true. But he could still be a hallucination

The kid ran into the room, and then it is completely blown up by the reapers? Even if he was hiding in that air vent, could he really survive that explosion unscathed with nothing burned or singed? Maybe the child died in that moment, and because Shepard had seen them earlier, the reapers used the resemblance of that kid. And, as someone said previously, especially since he uses the phrase "You can't save me." It seems so out of place, if the child is scared and has something offering to help him he might say "No!" or "I'm scared!", or turn and crawl away, or accept their help, not "YOU CAN'T SAVE ME." It's always felt off.

Actually when I think about it, wouldn't Anderson ask who/what Shepard was talking to or investigate if someone was really there? And in the end of the opening, when the kid looks directly at Shepard and then climbs into the shuttle, no one helping in him while everyone else is just standing there, waiting for the door to close, no one acknowledges him. So sure, maybe he does represent all the people on earth Shepard couldn't save, but couldn't that also mean that he is the perfect personification for the Reapers to use to their advantage?

Just my opinion though.

[Sl4sh3r]

Real quick...

Those little tentacles that signify "Indoctrination" are only there when TIM is controlling Shep.

TIM makes you shoot Anderson. Once Shep convinces TIM to kill himself, or Shep kills TIM himself, they go away.


Just something to think about.

[FugitiveMind]

Lugaidster wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Foulpancake wrote...

yes it was, but it looks largely overlooked thusfar but yes i agree. I saw the "Ghostly figures" thing and i'm like "holy ****!? why else would creepy little god-child thing appear like a ghost"

It hasn't been overlooked. It was discussed in detail about 50 pages back.

That is the problem with this thread. It's on its second wave of new believers. Each new wave comes with people realizing the same things that have been posted, but have been buried in pages of text that would take too long for people to read.

So, I hope that Byne, the OP, continues to update the front page with our observations. This will help reduce the number of restatements and old revelations that are posted as new truth (and people getting mad about when others don't acknowledge them).

It's almost like every 50(thousand) pages the cycle is forced to repeat itself.

Having gotten this far you have 3 choices in this theory:
Red: it's a hallucination brought on by indoctrination
Green: it's all a dream
Blue: that's all we're getting you're wasting your time

Of course regardless of which one you pick, the result is the same:
your hope is still dead, and we're all stranded on a planet with no hope of a response until at least tomorrow...

Best. Analogy. Ever. I keep getting this feeling of de ja vu every a few tens of pages.

In my best EDI voice:
That was a joke

Seriously, we're going to rehash the same stuff becuase we haven't been given any new infomation to um... hash

I was just going overly meta within the conspiracy theory hallucination thread...

maybe it was a bit over the top

And the Top Gun vid is a riot...

[Debi-Tage]

LadyVakarian wrote...

I fully believe in this theory, and have even done some indoctrinating of my own. My two brothers agree with this theory after I showed it to them. There is just too much evidence against it! Oh and also, THIS is how I felt before coming across this thread (aside from the sick-to-my-stomach-I-can't-eat feeling...)

:lol:that is exactly how I felt as well!!

sucker-punch in the gut is right. Especially if that WAS the end.

[aquaticidioticus]

Fledgey wrote...

Alright I've seen questions about why different endings unlock as your EMS goes up but I don't know if anyone answered them. Basically the theory goes that the more time you spend gathering resources the longer the reapers have to get their hold on you, allowing them more freedom of control. If you rush the game the only option open to you is destroy, and that's definitely indicative of something.

And when you potentially connect that to the kid's (fake or real, whatever he is) statement that "you can't save us" or something to that effect in the very beginning.  Did I just make a connection that I'm not really sure how to explain or is even valid?  Why yes I did.  Anyone want to tackle this for me since my sleep deprived brain made the connection, but then pooped out. Laziness/tiredness -1 effectiveness.

Goodness, I'm tired.  Off to take a nap.

Also, hello everyone.  I'm officially in the hallucination camp after trudging through 100 or so pages (as in skimming and making sure I'm not repeating what has already been said - although I'm sure my most recent statement has probably been broached in the last 10 or so pages that I skipped... ) 

[BlackDragonBane]

Lugaidster wrote...

oh_saki wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

I find myself agreeing with the line of thinking that since Shepard's mind reflected that of a Prothean, it may have been more difficult for the Prothean VI to detect the fact that Shepard was partially indoctrinated. It could also mean that in order for the Prothean VI to detect indoctrination in an individual, it has to be at a certain level before alarms start going off.

I disagree, one would imagine that if Shepard was more like a Prothean, the Prothean VI would be able to read himbetter than without the cipher. And once again, I bring up Garrus and even Tali, who's been with you throughout and why they wouldn't be detected by the VI either? I really don't think that Shep's been indoctrinated prior to meeting with the VI. I think the nightmares he's been having is just a result of PTSD, especially after leaving Earth.

The VI says indoctrinated, not indoctrinating. Shepard is supposedly in the process, not converted. Unlike Leng.

Exactly. Shepard isn't indoctrinated enough for the Prothean VI to detect, but however Kai Leng is heavily modified with Reaper tech and indoctrinated, to a degree, just like the Cerebrus troopers. At the point of Thessia, Shepard's indoctrination is likely not at any 'dangerous' levels until it hits close to the end and everything just goes to hell, providing the perfect opportunity to attempt to complete the indoctrination.

[lookingglassmind]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Did anyone today mention the 2 -HUGE- things brought up last night? In the Marine Corp, the last portion of basic training is apparently called 'The Crucible', which culminates in a huge mountain climb called 'The Reaper'.

The definition of Crucible is; A place or occasion of severe test or trial: "the crucible of combat".

Oh, I forgot to direct people to the Marine Corps. similarity.

Damn. I don't know. I wish that, each night, someone could throw together all the salient points that have been reconized during the day's postings before going to bed. I know it's a lot of work, but we can't expect the OP to 'babysit' the thread.

I don't know if I can do it for today. I should have been making notes of things. I will do this for tomorrow, though.

Unless we want to throw one together, now?

[byne]

k8ee wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Foulpancake wrote...

yes it was, but it looks largely overlooked thusfar but yes i agree. I saw the "Ghostly figures" thing and i'm like "holy ****!? why else would creepy little god-child thing appear like a ghost"

It hasn't been overlooked. It was discussed in detail about 50 pages back.

That is the problem with this thread. It's on its second wave of new believers. Each new wave comes with people realizing the same things that have been posted, but have been buried in pages of text that would take too long for people to read.

So, I hope that Byne, the OP, continues to update the front page with our observations. This will help reduce the number of restatements and old revelations that are posted as new truth (and people getting mad about when others don't acknowledge them).

I do not envy the OP - probably never planned on having to babysit a thread liket his;)

It is funny though how new people appear and realize the same things. Makes me feel less crazy

lol, yeah, didnt really expect this thread to explode like it has. Starting this thread at the same time as I started my Insanity run probably wasnt the best of ideas

That said, as long as people keep up with new ideas, and make sure to PM me any good new contributions to the thread, I'll update the first post with them.

And this is off-topic, but since I mentioned I'm doing my Insanity run: Screw Banshees. Seriously.

Modifié par byne, 12 mars 2012 - 03:14 .

[Auresta]

John Never Dies wrote...

Also a little detail here, no clue if it had been discuss, but destroying the reaps emits a red mass of energy. Controlling them creates a blue one.

Paragon has been seen throughout the series as blue, further giving the player who chose control a sense of right.

Addressed throughout the thread. If the ending was a final test of Shepard's resolve and the catalyst was trying to trick Shepard, the Destroy would be red/seem renegade. Someone also brought up that right side is usually paragon while left is renegade.