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[Lambchopz]

noobcannon wrote...

the people who keep trying to debunk this theory, aren't giving any kind of counter-argument to why shepard is alive under the rubble. that giant explosion he creates, in space, and then we see him take a breath under the rubble? alive? how can anyone possibly explain that, besides him having on been on earth the whole time?

The only real argument against this theory right now is a question of whether or not BioWare plans to do it. It's easily explainable within the already established game, and as has been shown, makes complete sense and would be better then the current ending in every way.

The ball is in BioWare's court for now, have to see what they do.

If they do nothing, I will just convince myself this ending is true anyways.

[Genome852]

I honestly think this is all just overthinking...

but I wouldn't mind if it was true.

Modifié par Genome852, 12 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[Harorrd]

http://desmond.image....png&res=medium

Modifié par Harorrd, 12 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[WvStolzing]

Lambchopz wrote...

Also really important to remember, on top of surviving the the citadel explosion and landing perfectly in what looks like London, Shepard has his armor on. It's hard to make it out, but Shepard is definitely wearing armor in that short snippet.

It really can't be the armor the player wears through London, if that's a pre-rendered cutscene. That looks like the breastplate of the 'destroyed outfit' to me.

[Kes82]

I was about to give into the hating. Strangely...this all makes sense. Thank you for making me a believer...and regretting picking the green option.

[dragonage200200]

A clip of Shepard in the rubble, everything else cut out.

[TamiBx]

John Never Dies wrote...

Sheparded wrote...

So the currently theory is that the kid vi is actually harbinger, wouldn't that mean that harbinger is the crucible?

Not really, if Harbringer is making it all up.

He's trying to save himself, so he will say anything to indoctrinate you completely. I mean, what reason do we have to trust some ghost kid who claims to be the catalyst? I wouldn't trust anything at the point, especially not something that takes the form of a kid I was sure had died on Earth...

[blooregard]

I watched the destroy ending and does the godkid disappear in every ending? I picked control and I don't recall if he disappeared or not

[oh_saki]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

And now that basically EVERYTHING that can be covered has been covered, I can finally reply. It only took 24 hours.

I have to say that this hallucination/indoctrination theory is really cool, and well done to all you guys, but I have a suggestion to make:

Try reloading a save or something and do the part right before the beam again, until the "end" of the game.

Tell me if you think everything really culminates so much that there's simply no room for some kind of post-game DLC.

I'm trying to see it, but I honestly can't. How do you guys think the DLC will be integrated into what we have now?

At the end the grandkid asks the grandpa, "One more story about the Shepard?" Grandpa says it's getting late but you betcha! Then we just continue on from the part where Shepard 'breathes' if you get the 'best' ending. He wakes up, still on Earth, and finishes the Reapers off.

[Harorrd]

i for once will imagine that Sheppard destroyed the reapers, and adopted a child and built a house with Tali and they lived happily ever after

[Rahabzu]

UlricKerensky wrote...

One thing I'd like to point out about the indoctrination theory is that, despite making a certain amount of sense, and being all hopeful...we're still short a real ending. Quite frankly, I'm not sure why readiness and war assets determine if you survive an indoctrination attempt . That aside, fair is fair. A lot of the points in the video and threat make sense.

it's assuming you have enough assets to hold out until you wake up.

[BlackDragonBane]

UlricKerensky wrote...

One thing I'd like to point out about the indoctrination theory is that, despite making a certain amount of sense, and being all hopeful...we're still short a real ending. Quite frankly, I'm not sure why readiness and war assets determine if you survive an indoctrination attempt . That aside, fair is fair. A lot of the points in the video and threat make sense.

If the indoctrination theory is correct and you chose and survive the destruction ending, that leaves the path open to actually continue the war and end it. We don't know what the true function of the Crucible is but we know that the Reapers fear Shepard activating it. The ending would be getting to the real Crucible and unleashing it on the Reapers to end the war once and for all, then hopefully see what happens in the aftermath as a result of your accumulated decisions.

That's the hope anyway.

[noobcannon]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

And now that basically EVERYTHING that can be covered has been covered, I can finally reply. It only took 24 hours.

I have to say that this hallucination/indoctrination theory is really cool, and well done to all you guys, but I have a suggestion to make:

Try reloading a save or something and do the part right before the beam again, until the "end" of the game.

Tell me if you think everything really culminates so much that there's simply no room for some kind of post-game DLC.

I'm trying to see it, but I honestly can't. How do you guys think the DLC will be integrated into what we have now?

that's the point though. that entire sequence is in shepard's mind. you go through that, then they show him taking the breath under the rubble....and...... que the new "FREE" dlc with hopefully more story, combat, and an epic showdown with harbinger.

[DieHigh2012]

This is interesting, it would be pretty awesome if it's true.

[Sajuro]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this in the megathread, but also Shepard woke up in a puddle of blood when it shows before then that the Reaper laser incinerates, also with the soldier corpses since I don't think those hit before left any behind.

[noobcannon]

Harorrd wrote...

i for once will imagine that Sheppard destroyed the reapers, and adopted a child and built a house with Tali and they lived happily ever after

^this

[ArbitorEAAcc]

DAZExOFxDEATH wrote...

There's so much to read so I haven't really checked, but has anyone considered the idea that the elevator that carries Shepard up to the catalyst may actually symbolize Shepard's death and him/her ascending to heaven or the afterlife

Also, I keep waiting to see if it turns out that theres a special way to unlock the true ending :'( Maybe like standing around infront of the three choices for a while...I don't know, one could only hope..

That doesn't work there's an invisible time limit for making your choice. If you run out you get a "The crucible has been destroyed" failure screen. Course I did walk around a bit but I highly doubt that matters.i

[HunterKYA]

The more I think about it, Shepard hallucinating seems increasingly plausible. Why else, if you have enough war assets, save Anderson, and choose the Destroy ending, would we see a body taking a breath in a pile of rubble? If Shepard had really been on the Citadel, there would've been no question about his/her death, and it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to accept that he/she died with that ending.

Harbinger had infiltrated Shepard's mind while the group was running towards the Conduit. Believing Shepard was on the verge of death, the AI took his/her consciousness to the Citadel, and used figures that Shepard could identify with, in the forms of Anderson and the Illusive Man. By striking down the Illusive Man, Shepard proved him/herself worthy to decide the fate of the galaxy, since no organic in millions of years had gotten anywhere near as close as Shepard had. 

Once the choices of Control, Synthesis, and Destroy were presented to Shepard, he/she was faced with an insurmountably difficult decision. The AI warned him/her of the Destroy option, because of the synthetic devices implanted into Shepard by Cerberus, that he/she would die and likely kill all synthetic life (including EDI and the Geth), but there are subtle indicators with the AI's voice that strongly emphasizes not making this choice. However, after making the choice to Destroy, the influence of the AI, and in turn, the Reapers, has been severed permanently from Shepard's mind, allowing him/her to wake up in a pile of rubble back on Earth.

In my opinion, that's the only explanation as to why the Destroy option where the player sees the body (presumably Shepard) taking a breath at the end. Might not be well thought out, but it's what I've begun to believe inside of the last day.

Modifié par HunterKYA, 12 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[rogueagent6]

Holy wow! This thread is still going. Anyways I had a couple things to add. Decided to play some MP today to get my readiness to 80%, and my EMS to 5100. Restarted just after horizon so I could get the Shepard lives ending, but also changed out one of the members of my squad to see what would happen when Normandy crashes.

1. The Squad members you take with you in the final push to the beam don't seem to have any bearing on the sequence when Normandy crashes. On my initial play through I had James and Liara with me. On my replay I swapped Liara for Jalik. On both runs, Joker, Liara, and James step off the Normandy.

2. Why would there be convenient handles waiting for you to grab them, giving you control of the reapers? And why would shooting the conduit be the path to destroying the reapers? That would be akin to using a sledge hammer to drive a square peg into a round hole. The only way it fits is if it was meant to be symbolic only, which goes back to it being a hallucination.

3. I think the Stargazer at the end is more of a nod to Carl Sagan, who likely would have been a huge fan of the series.

Anyways, if it's already been said then ohh well. If not, here's more food for thought.

[noobcannon]

i just wanna say that as i'm playing through my ng+, this game is the best game ever made if you really do believe this to be true. please BW, pleeeeeease.

[LenabotSE]

If they're smart, they'll just make the Crucible house a supervirus that's been constructed by the Protheans and their predecessors. With a modified virus made by Cerberus that allows you to actually control them, for a renegade option.

But it's probably all wishful thinking. Head-canon, wee!

[DifferentD17]

Lol this is the easiest was out for Bioware if they didn't come up with it on there own.

[ceruleancrescent]

TamiBx wrote...

John Never Dies wrote...

Sheparded wrote...

So the currently theory is that the kid vi is actually harbinger, wouldn't that mean that harbinger is the crucible?

Not really, if Harbringer is making it all up.

He's trying to save himself, so he will say anything to indoctrinate you completely. I mean, what reason do we have to trust some ghost kid who claims to be the catalyst? I wouldn't trust anything at the point, especially not something that takes the form of a kid I was sure had died on Earth...

Also with the nightmares tormenting Shepard with the death of that child over and over, progressively adding in the voices of his squad members who had died previously and the black, oil shape shadows that show up when the voices begin, just seems to be reaper involvement.

[Sl4sh3r]

Go to...



Listen to Harbingers voice..

Now go to...



Around 50 seconds in.
Listen real closely to the echo behind the kids voice.

Sounds like Harbinger...

Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 12 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[krystalevenstar]

Hey, whoa. Just noticed something major here in my Art of Mass Effect universe book I got today. Under the Illusive Man's page it reads, "One of the plans on the drawing board was to have the Illusive Man turn into a Reaper creature for the final battle. Eventually, this plan was scrapped, since we wanted to give players the satisfaction of fighting a character they know rather than a random creature."

We don't have a final battle now, and Kai Leng isn't really a 'character we know'... so what are they referencing?

I also just checked and it says this in the art book that came with the CE too