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IronSabbath88

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102 straws and counting.

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Tiax Rules All wrote...

byne wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

well, no IT then no reason to hang in the forums till summer. This DLC is gonna blow. at least its free so Bioware can cover their asses and make fun of people who still complain

damn im pissed.


If you lose all hope because of a vague answer and yesterday's DLC announcement which didnt say anything we hadnt already known for weeks, I'd venture a guess and say your faith in IT wasnt very strong to begin with.

THERE IS NO HOPE!.

dont you think I want IT to be true. they just told you no, and you cant see it. I was like you till yesterday. Its over. Hope will only ****** you off more when summer comes around and you realise its not IT its not a dream, its just **** writing with more **** writing on top to cover it... no good


Ok, stop. I mean, there's always hope. I like IT, I like to believe it's true and there're a lot of things that support that thought. That doesn't mean that you still have to believe it.

The thing now is... I want to believe in the IT because it makes sense to me, because they didn't denied it. If It is not true, we'll know it when the DLC is out, and if the "clarifications" are good, then I'm fine, and I'm sure byne will be fine.

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" Agreed. While I truly hoped they would make IT canon (if anything than for its sheer elegance), they do not seem too commited to that idea. Rather, they still seem to be aiming at some inception-style ending."

Though inception was really intended to be ambiguois an made sense in every freakin way...this s**t does not! So for me, it's still it.

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 Well, one thing I learned was that you could punch Gerrel. When was this? After you returned from the Geth drednaught? If it's the Renegade choice, Paragon or no, I will choose that next time, because I want to hit that guy SO bad! :devil:

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MassEffectFan11 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

well, no IT then no reason to hang in the forums till summer. This DLC is gonna blow. at least its free so Bioware can cover their asses and make fun of people who still complain

damn im pissed.


If you lose all hope because of a vague answer and yesterday's DLC announcement which didnt say anything we hadnt already known for weeks, I'd venture a guess and say your faith in IT wasnt very strong to begin with.


What is this I'm reading? Is this a religion now? If you believe hard enough it'll come true?

It's a friggin video game.

A "friggin video game" that has taken several hundred hours of my life! I REFUSE to let it all be for nothing!


You're upset with the endings and that's fine. But talking about faith in a theory and accusing people of not having faith because the accept the overwhelming evidence against it is just plain silly.

Borderline cult if you ask me.

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Seems like they want to leave the indoc up to us, and will never tell us one way or another.

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estebanus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

(Reads in Shepard Voice)
OK, I think the thing that came out of this panel in regards to Indoc Theory is an increased sense of unity. Sure, we've lost some, but if they could be swayed by the intentionally vague stuff Bioware said, then honestly, we didn't need them. This is the Crucible for us, the thing that tests OUR resolve, the event that separates the Men from the Boys. Those of us who still believe, we will Hold the Line until the end. We will refuse to give up. And we will never lose faith until IT is confirmed, or it has been smashed into the dust. WE WILL HOLD THE LINE!!!!

 

We will FIGHT to the last man!
We have hope, and without hope, we have nothing.


Thanks mate.  This is the spirit we need to persevere.  Keep holding the line!

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Well...Indoctrination or not. I WANT ****IN ANSWERS! What the **** happend to my team, earth and anything else. BioWare gives us no clear answer! This is goddamn pissing me off-.-*

BUT: HOLD THE LINE

Edit: by reading all this: Damn awesome. This gives me hope.

Modifié par FrostByte-GER, 06 avril 2012 - 10:16 .


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MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Mr. Mistake wrote...

So if that big PAX event is over, all we can hope for now is a random announcement?

Because you can't tell me I have to wait until the summer. You can't.

YOU CAN'T.

For some reason, that's even better to read when your avatar is that elcor.


I had a feeling the avatar would add a tone of solid seriousness to anything I said. Looks like I was right. Thanks.

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schneeland wrote...

Agreed. While I truly hoped they would make IT canon (if anything than for its sheer elegance), they do not seem too commited to that idea. Rather, they still seem to be aiming at some inception-style ending.

The worst part? It's not gonna work. The Inception was about this from the start, Mass Effect wasn't. It would've worked as an ingenious twist, but as an ambigous ending? No, just no.

I think the IT is still gonna be my headcanon for this, because with this I can't honestly see how the DLC will be anything other than utterly disappointing.

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Kyzee wrote...

 Well, one thing I learned was that you could punch Gerrel. When was this? After you returned from the Geth drednaught? If it's the Renegade choice, Paragon or no, I will choose that next time, because I want to hit that guy SO bad! :devil:

Tell him he was out of line, then renegade interrupt when he retorts.

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Skillz1986 wrote...

" Agreed. While I truly hoped they would make IT canon (if anything than for its sheer elegance), they do not seem too commited to that idea. Rather, they still seem to be aiming at some inception-style ending."

Though inception was really intended to be ambiguois an made sense in every freakin way...this s**t does not! So for me, it's still it.


Yep, take the renegade choice "We were still on board"  I think and then it's an interrupt

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You now what I think. Bioware has been creating the weekend Missions on MP just to get the fans mad about the ending off their back. Well I don't give a damm about the Weekend Missions because they really don't have a huge impact on the game's story.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Borderline cult if you ask me.


Oh look, its one of those people again.

What next? You gonna compare us to 9/11 truthers? Or Young Earth Creationists? Because after cult those are the two that always come up next.

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Kyzee wrote...

 Well, one thing I learned was that you could punch Gerrel. When was this? After you returned from the Geth drednaught? If it's the Renegade choice, Paragon or no, I will choose that next time, because I want to hit that guy SO bad! :devil:


After the Geth Dreadnaught, you have to choose, "You're out of control." For dialogue instead of, "I agree."

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monrapias wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

monrapias wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Video of BW answer to the IT

http://yfrog.com/0jm0vdzyfrog.com/0jm0vdz

(Turn up your volume)

THere is one thing that I don't get there.

People are clapping.


An audience will clap and cheer for just about anything. For instance, music contest reality shows. After a horrid performance, the audience still claps and cheers like crazy ANYWAY.

You've never seen Britain's got talent have you?


They clap when the Clap Sign turns on.

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I'm still going to stand by the indoctrination theory until bioware actually says if its true or not. Been following this forum since it was on page 200.

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Hey guess what?

Even if this isn't true, I'll be fine. In the end, nobody can tell me what I can think about the game and the extended ending, that ends up being my opinion.

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Erethrian wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

byne wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

well, no IT then no reason to hang in the forums till summer. This DLC is gonna blow. at least its free so Bioware can cover their asses and make fun of people who still complain

damn im pissed.


If you lose all hope because of a vague answer and yesterday's DLC announcement which didnt say anything we hadnt already known for weeks, I'd venture a guess and say your faith in IT wasnt very strong to begin with.

THERE IS NO HOPE!.

dont you think I want IT to be true. they just told you no, and you cant see it. I was like you till yesterday. Its over. Hope will only ****** you off more when summer comes around and you realise its not IT its not a dream, its just **** writing with more **** writing on top to cover it... no good


Ok, stop. I mean, there's always hope. I like IT, I like to believe it's true and there're a lot of things that support that thought. That doesn't mean that you still have to believe it.

The thing now is... I want to believe in the IT because it makes sense to me, because they didn't denied it. If It is not true, we'll know it when the DLC is out, and if the "clarifications" are good, then I'm fine, and I'm sure byne will be fine.


Besides, it would be extremely bad marketing if they up and said it now when we are a few months away. As zaeed would say "That's goddamn suicide". Besides even if it wasn't IT I'll still wait and see if they can top it or do as well. Theres no penalty for it, no fee beyond some patience. 

Modifié par Domanese, 06 avril 2012 - 10:17 .


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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Borderline cult if you ask me.


Oh look, its one of those people again.

What next? You gonna compare us to 9/11 truthers? Or Young Earth Creationists? Because after cult those are the two that always come up next.


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monrapias wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

monrapias wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Video of BW answer to the IT

http://yfrog.com/0jm0vdzyfrog.com/0jm0vdz

(Turn up your volume)

THere is one thing that I don't get there.

People are clapping.


An audience will clap and cheer for just about anything. For instance, music contest reality shows. After a horrid performance, the audience still claps and cheers like crazy ANYWAY.

You've never seen Britain's got talent have you?


I'm in America with as basic of cable as you can get. All I get are local American channels, which for the most part aren't that great. :mellow: I'm stuck with American Idol and the Voice as references. 

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Tiax Rules All

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EpyonX3 wrote...

You're upset with the endings and that's fine. But talking about faith in a theory and accusing people of not having faith because the accept the overwhelming evidence against it is just plain silly.

Borderline cult if you ask me.

you know, it wasn't untill now (yesterday and today) but people got to read into the info that was given them and come to terms and if they can't well, then ya, cultlike. sorry guys.

They told you "we dont want to decribe the ending in plain terms" because they CANT say no to you. they wont shoot down your hopes with the eveil to letter word. they wont even after DLC has been out. they are TRYING to let you down gently. please people. it was a great run, dont drag it down into the mud. let it go with dignity.

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If we give up now Bioware and EA have won.

PEOPLE OF THE EARTH! HOLD.........THE...........LINE............AND TAKE EARTH BACK!

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

Hey guess what?

Even if this isn't true, I'll be fine. In the end, nobody can tell me what I can think about the game and the extended ending, that ends up being my opinion.


:blink: Someone said something with some logic in it.  I'm shocked!

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lex0r11 wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

chkchkchk wrote...

SHEP WAKES UP ON THE CITADEL (or so I'm guessing) since at the PAX panel they make a point of saying individual parts of the Citadel can seal themselves off. So I'm really doubting the DLC will have anything to do with the indoctrination theory.

Sadface.


parts of the arms can seal themselves. but shep was not near the arm he/she was at the top of the tower and there was nothing to seal ;)


Shep is outside the station where the Crucible connects. It's upside down.


Regardless of how plausible it is for Shep to wake up on the Citadel, I'm really thinking that's what Bioware's going with.  The DLC will show you getting rescued by the Alliance and going off to find the Normandy.  If they tug at my heartstrings enough I might forgive them.

The indoctrination theory just makes so much thematic sense.  I can't believe they ditched that (or the dark energy thing) for the synthetics-vs-organics crap.  Sweet monkey Jesus.