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[Skillz1986]

" Oh look, its this argument again. Does someone want to take over explaining this one for me? I tire of doing so."

Well, just don't do it...won't convince anybody who does not want to be convinced. leave it!

[vrumpt]

So, I'm thinking that if they had some kind of DLC that had content similar to what "the truth" was allegedly going to have, there is every possibility that was pushed back and bundled into the extended edition.

And the reason is this: if the IT was true, that would have confirmed it, but it still would have been a WTF moment to people who weren't up to speed. This way they can deliver on their clarifications and then at the same time deliver on whatever plans they may or may not have had regarding a "waking up" dlc. Point is, if something had existed at all, it is now going to be bundled in the extended edition. We'll never know otherwise. Thats thought #1.

thought #2: If they can somehow rework the ending into something that isn't total crap, then I could care less if the IT was true or not. If its good, then so be it. This is a total long shot though. I don't believe that they can rework the starchild into anything positive, there is just too much nerd rage surrounding that.

thought #3: Bioware knows people are deeply invested into the IT, which is why they brought it up at all in their panel. Should the IT not be true or intended (I still find this hard to believe; Shepard waking up / oily shadows / indoc eyes / plot holes are all hard to justify), then they at least know how many people are committed to it and view the ending that way. They wouldn't ruin it for those people; that would spark a whole new movement of nerd rage. Whether its intentional or not, the extended cut DLC WILL CATER TOWARDS INDOCTRINATION IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM. This is worst case scenario, with the assumption that it is in fact not true and they don't decide to use that for the "canon" ending to the series.

In summary, things are still very bright for people who still think Shepard was indoctrinated.

Also, to those "IT haters" (looking at you Crapeo(idgaf) ) who continue to call us "cultists", you are just as bad since you choose to stand on the other side of the coin and shout and spew nonsense that would indicate your "belief" is different than ours. It is no different, and you people are in fact more guilty for choosing to disrupt our discussions here by forcing your perspective onto things. Grow up and get out.

[wheelierdan]

yeah my question got railroaded i was not discussing how it moved to earth they talked about how it blowing up didnt mean everyone died because each area was self sealing, so when we see it break up into pieces they arent all suddenly dead.

So, in that light... why would they say any of that if it didnt actually happen?

[LeRavelle]

Taken from Destructoid.

"BioWare has announced more details surrounding their ME3: Extended Cut and ME3: Resurgence DLC slated to come out later this summer.

At the PAX East panel today, the development team went into a bit of detail regarding the Extended Cut DLC. They mentioned that it will not be a re-imagining of the endings, or a new ending, but a number of things to wrap up the ending in a prettier package. According to the team, the DLC will contain more than just a few cinematic scenes - it will be a considerable amount to provide closure. The development team also mentioned working on a lot over the next year in addition to the content announced this week.

They also showed a new trailer during the panel that details some juicy bits of the Resurgence pack, including the new Batarian and Geth characters, fancy weapons, and a cool new map that looks wet, dark, and badass."

Does anyone have footage of that trailer? I very much like to see that.

[yagaelvin]

Skillz1986 wrote...

" Oh look, its this argument again. Does someone want to take over explaining this one for me? I tire of doing so."

Well, just don't do it...won't convince anybody who does not want to be convinced. leave it!

I'm reminded of a quote. It has to do with wrestling but can easily be applied to anything like this where you have two strong opposite positions

"Wrestling is like religion.  If you don't believe in it, there's absolutley nothing I can say that can convince you otherwise"

[balance5050]

savagejuicebox wrote...

Here is a theory of my own; What if they did intend on making an expansion to the ending all along, but all of this negative feedback about the game not being finished and it was a horrible ending and what not, caused them to re-access their original plan. So what they are now doing is saying that they are taking fan feedback to save face and saying it was never intended so the people who thought they got an incomplete game will be happy, those who didn't like the end can also be happy, and Bioware/EA comes out smelling like roses giving away DLC and implementing player feedback. THEY WILL NEVER CONFIRM OR DENY IT WAS INTENDED but if IT comes out and is the expanded ending then everyone will get what they want(well almost anybody).

Thoughts? I honestly think what they are doing is genius if im right.

Shameless bump: again

That's a good point, if they said it was their intention all along then they would get slammed for not selling the whole game.

It's going to be a long wait till summer....

Modifié par balance5050, 06 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

davishepard wrote...

The Prothean VI at Illos, Javik and Vendetta disproves IT, but people rather believe in this ridiculous theory anyway instead of face the reality.

Oh look, its this argument again.

Does someone want to take over explaining this one for me? I tire of doing so.

Oh GAWD not this again.  OK, here I go.  Vendetta only registered an indoc'd presence after the question about the Catalyst was asked.  What is interesting is that Kai Leng had to have already been in the temple to have been able to kill the scientists.  If it was supposed to NEVER talk in the presence of someone who was indoctrinated, why did it talk at all?  Also, the Protheans couldn't magically  detect indoctrination.  If they could, the indoctrinated sleeper agents Javik and Vendetta mention repeatedly would never have been able to do damage.  I'll let someone else take Vigil.  That is a new one. 

Edit: Actually, I will take Vigil.  Shepard was not indoctrinated yet.  Also, we have no idea whether Prothean VIs can detect people IN THE PROCESS of being Indoc'd.  Saren was fully indoctrinated.  Shepard was not.

Edit: So, simply put, Protheans were not that much better at detecting Indoctrination than we are.

Modifié par Dwailing, 06 avril 2012 - 11:02 .

[Lyria]

schneeland wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

From now on, anyone who tries to display negativity in here will be offered a straw an emergency induction port to grasp.

Think of it as a gift from me to you. xD

Yay, straws emergency induction ports for everybody! Can I have one without being negative or do I have to make up something ridiculous before?

I fixed your posts.

[AdmiralsJack]

protognosis wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

wheelierdan wrote...

legitimate question, doesnt the answer to hoe the people on the citaldel survived with the sealed compartments answer disprove IT?

Why would they talk about how those people lived if it didnt matter because it wasnt real?

they just say that people (f. e. Aria or Bailey) could survive when the reapers moved the citadel towards the earth. that nether confirms nor disproved IT

They survive until Shepard blows the Citadel the F*** up.

and killed everybody with space magic and survived with space magic...or...IT 

[Simon_Says]

Dwailing wrote...

Oh GAWD not this again.  OK, here I go.  Vendetta only registered an indoc'd presence after the question about the Catalyst was asked.  What is interesting is that Kai Leng had to have already been in the temple to have been able to kill the scientists.  If it was supposed to NEVER talk in the presence of someone who was indoctrinated, why did it talk at all?  Also, the Protheans couldn't magically  detect indoctrination.  If they could, the indoctrinated sleeper agents Javik and Vendetta mention repeatedly would never have been able to do damage.  I'll let someone else take Vigil.  That is a new one. 

Then again, the VI wasn't activated until after Shepard/Javik actually activated it manually. And Kai Leng didn't return to the scene until the conversation was underway.

[Denvian]

mufasa121 wrote...

byne wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

ok... so OP byne, what is our stance after PAX

IT.. to big to fail?

Anyhow, my stance hasnt changed. Vague non-answers giving no information we didnt already have hasnt swayed me in either direction.

You make your own decision.

^^ this.

I am about on the same level... The only thing I am worried about is they release the DLC and it contradicts IT... I think that would be a big batrayal considering they could have just told us, "That is really cool but no that is not what we had in mind".

I hope they give us something more at pax ot it is going to be a very long wait until summer. (thinking of what it was like to wait 3 weeks to pax... *cringe*)

[CLB17]

davishepard wrote...

The Prothean VI at Illos, Javik and Vendetta disproves IT, but people rather believe in this ridiculous theory anyway instead of face the reality.

What? The VIs should have detected indoctrination in Shepard like they did Saren and Kai Leng? They both had Reaper tech implanted in them which is how the VIs detected them Javic says that his people were defeated by sleeper agents of the Reapers posing as innocent refugees.

Shepard isn't even fully indoctrinated yet if IT is true. Just in the process of it please give evidence that hasn't been disproven every 20 pages.

[davishepard]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

davishepard wrote...

The Prothean VI at Illos, Javik and Vendetta disproves IT, but people rather believe in this ridiculous theory anyway instead of face the reality.

Oh look, its this argument again.

Does someone want to take over explaining this one for me? I tire of doing so.

Oh GAWD not this again.  OK, here I go.  Vendetta only registered an indoc'd presence after the question about the Catalyst was asked.  What is interesting is that Kai Leng had to have already been in the temple to have been able to kill the scientists.  If it was supposed to NEVER talk in the presence of someone who was indoctrinated, why did it talk at all?  Also, the Protheans couldn't magically  detect indoctrination.  If they could, the indoctrinated sleeper agents Javik and Vendetta mention repeatedly would never have been able to do damage.  I'll let someone else take Vigil.  That is a new one. 

He was in the temple, but not in the range of the VI sight/detector. That's the better excuse for this ridiculous theory to work?

Javik can read anyone he touches. He touched Shepard. 

Again, people came up with so much ridiculous explanations to make this theory work that I wonder if this theory isn't actually "indocrinating" the so-called "believers".

[Dwailing]

CLB17 wrote...

davishepard wrote...

The Prothean VI at Illos, Javik and Vendetta disproves IT, but people rather believe in this ridiculous theory anyway instead of face the reality.

What? The VIs should have detected indoctrination in Shepard like they did Saren and Kai Leng? They both had Reaper tech implanted in them which is how the VIs detected them Javic says that his people were defeated by sleeper agents of the Reapers posing as innocent refugees.

Shepard isn't even fully indoctrinated yet if IT is true. Just in the process of it please give evidence that hasn't been disproven every 20 pages.

This.

[Simon_Says]

Denvian wrote...

I hope they give us something more at pax ot it is going to be a very long wait until summer. (thinking of what it was like to wait 3 weeks to pax... *cringe*)

And I think is gonna be a long long time
Till DLC brings me round again to find
Shepard's not the man they think he is at home
Oh no no no, he's a Doctrine Man.

Yeah it wasn't very good. Sue me.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 06 avril 2012 - 11:07 .

[balance5050]

They have nothing to gain if they confirm or deny it, they want us to see it in game.

Modifié par balance5050, 06 avril 2012 - 11:08 .

[Shooter__Andy]

davishepard wrote...

Again, people came up with so much ridiculous explanations to make this theory work that I wonder if this theory isn't actually "indocrinating" the so-called "believers".

Look, Protheans have LOST the war with Reapers. One of the big reasons was that there was a lot of indoctrinated agents. So, obviously, their methods of detecting indoctrination aren't perfect.

That's the long and short of it, really. You can bring their abilities up, but you also need to remember that they didn't work all that well before and you assume they would work better on the entirely unkonwn species.

[Simon_Says]

Also, I think I read somewhere about how the music right when you 'choose' the endings varies, with red implied by the music to be the best.

Anyone care to record this or find the relevant files for analysis?

[Erethrian]

balance5050 wrote...

They have nothing to gain if they confirm or deny it, they want us to see it in game.

Yeah I agree, until then (the DLC) they give us free stuff to do. I hope IT is true. ^^

[Derp88]

Argggh just too much ambiguity! I just hope they don't take TOO long to release the EC dlc. At this point I'm just waiting for it. No more speculation. If IT turns out to be true, great. If not, I'm sure Bioware have the skills to make their canon have sufficient closure to end Shepard's story-arc. I still trust in Bioware. Just better not be late summer when I might not care as much

Roll on 17th April! Can't wait for Witcher II on Xbox 360. Should provide a good distraction

[Lyria]

AdmiralsJack wrote...

protognosis wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

wheelierdan wrote...

legitimate question, doesnt the answer to hoe the people on the citaldel survived with the sealed compartments answer disprove IT?

Why would they talk about how those people lived if it didnt matter because it wasnt real?

they just say that people (f. e. Aria or Bailey) could survive when the reapers moved the citadel towards the earth. that nether confirms nor disproved IT

They survive until Shepard blows the Citadel the F*** up.

and killed everybody with space magic and survived with space magic...or...IT 

Begin Sarcasm:
Don't start talking about the validity of space magic   then the next thing they'll call us is SpaceNecromancers instead of a cult.

End Sarcasm.

I know, right?  So people from the Citadel survived when blown up because of space magic?   Or they were never blown up because IT disproves the explosion.  Or you're right  and Shepard killed them, ressurected them, then left them stranded on a planet that is hostile to most Citadel species?
Which is more likely?
Space Magic, IT, or Shepard is a magical space necromancer/douchecanoe?

Sorry...this is where the sarcasm ends.  mea culpa!

Modifié par protognosis, 06 avril 2012 - 11:13 .

[steve3194]

I know this isn't related to I.T but  I've been pondering on it

Im replaying the trilogy (hopefully dlc will be out by the time im finished)

After hearing about the orignally planned ending I find it strange so far in mass effect 2

With the original ending idea scrapped the collectors abducting human colonies and being primarily interested in humans makes no sense. To me at least.
It was understandable before as the proto-reaper was supposed to be able to stop dark energy spreading or watever
but now I just can't see how it fits.

Like on freedoms progress veetor was left behind presumbly because he was'nt human.

This makes no sense in relation to the event of mass effect 3 where the reapers are just harvesting everyone.

Has anyone else given this any thought?

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Hate to say it but I think IT is dead at this point , and it seems additional scenes might explain what happens to squad mates and the like.Maybe during the final push their killed or Joker swoops in to pick them up.Now space magic(Teleportation) could have teleported shepard down to earth in the pile of rubble injured but alive or to the planet where the Normandy is with his crew/squad mates all alive.

[Simon_Says]

steve3194 wrote...

I know this isn't related to I.T but  I've been pondering on it

Im replaying the trilogy (hopefully dlc will be out by the time im finished)

After hearing about the orignally planned ending I find it strange so far in mass effect 2

With
the original ending idea scrapped the collectors abducting human
colonies and being primarily interested in humans makes no sense. To me
at least.
It was understandable before as the proto-reaper was supposed to be able to stop dark energy spreading or watever
but now I just can't see how it fits.

Like on freedoms progress veetor was left behind presumbly because he was'nt human.

This makes no sense in relation to the event of mass effect 3 where the reapers are just harvesting everyone.

Has anyone else given this any thought?

Veetor escaped detection. Therefore he wasn't killed or processed. Also, ME3 established that only 'special' species were chosen to be capital ships. Others became destroyers.

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Hate to say it but I think IT is dead at this point , and it seems additional scenes might explain what happens to squad mates and the like.Maybe during the final push their killed or Joker swoops in to pick them up.Now space magic(Teleportation) could have teleported shepard down to earth in the pile of rubble injured but alive or to the planet where the Normandy is with his crew/squad mates all alive.

Ain't dead till Bioware, the DLC, or in-game evidence decisively concludes otherwise.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 06 avril 2012 - 11:16 .

[Eshaye]

Being able to read people doesn't mean you can make the difference between an indoctrinated agent and a normal person. Someone who is indoctrinated simply believes very strongly that the Reapers are right and are very good at making it seem like they haven't changed at all.

Even in a race that can mind read, if someone doesn't believe they are indoctrinated it's possible no one else can detect it either, unless you are at an advanced stage.