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[AdmiralsJack]

protognosis wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

protognosis wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

wheelierdan wrote...

legitimate question, doesnt the answer to hoe the people on the citaldel survived with the sealed compartments answer disprove IT?

Why would they talk about how those people lived if it didnt matter because it wasnt real?

they just say that people (f. e. Aria or Bailey) could survive when the reapers moved the citadel towards the earth. that nether confirms nor disproved IT

They survive until Shepard blows the Citadel the F*** up.

and killed everybody with space magic and survived with space magic...or...IT 

Begin Sarcasm:
Don't start talking about the validity of space magic   then the next thing they'll call us is SpaceNecromancers instead of a cult.

End Sarcasm.

I know, right?  So people from the Citadel survived when blown up because of space magic?   Or they were never blown up because IT disproves the explosion.  Or you're right  and Shepard killed them, ressurected them, then left them stranded on a planet that is hostile to most Citadel species?
Which is more likely?
Space Magic, IT, or Shepard is a magical space necromancer/douchecanoe?

Sorry...this is where the sarcasm ends.  mea culpa!

I hope for IT

[Skillz1986]

I jsut dont understand why you would even bother to answer these questions. what the hell is wrong with you? Keep feeding the trolls..way to go people. you do not have to defend your thoughts against people who refuse..from the start. to accept IT.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Simon_Says wrote...

steve3194 wrote...

I know this isn't related to I.T but  I've been pondering on it

Im replaying the trilogy (hopefully dlc will be out by the time im finished)

After hearing about the orignally planned ending I find it strange so far in mass effect 2

With
the original ending idea scrapped the collectors abducting human
colonies and being primarily interested in humans makes no sense. To me
at least.
It was understandable before as the proto-reaper was supposed to be able to stop dark energy spreading or watever
but now I just can't see how it fits.

Like on freedoms progress veetor was left behind presumbly because he was'nt human.

This makes no sense in relation to the event of mass effect 3 where the reapers are just harvesting everyone.

Has anyone else given this any thought?

Veetor escaped detection. Therefore he wasn't killed or processed. Also, ME3 established that only 'special' species were chosen to be capital ships. Others became destroyers.

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Hate to say it but I think IT is dead at this point , and it seems additional scenes might explain what happens to squad mates and the like.Maybe during the final push their killed or Joker swoops in to pick them up.Now space magic(Teleportation) could have teleported shepard down to earth in the pile of rubble injured but alive or to the planet where the Normandy is with his crew/squad mates all alive.

Ain't dead till Bioware, the DLC, or in-game evidence decisively concludes otherwise.

Officially yes , but given what's been said I no longer think IT and now it seems it was Bioware/EA that underestimated the games impact.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 06 avril 2012 - 11:19 .

[AdmiralsJack]

stop feeding the trolls

[Eshaye]

steve3194 wrote...

I know this isn't related to I.T but  I've been pondering on it

Im replaying the trilogy (hopefully dlc will be out by the time im finished)

After hearing about the orignally planned ending I find it strange so far in mass effect 2

With the original ending idea scrapped the collectors abducting human colonies and being primarily interested in humans makes no sense. To me at least.
It was understandable before as the proto-reaper was supposed to be able to stop dark energy spreading or watever
but now I just can't see how it fits.

Like on freedoms progress veetor was left behind presumbly because he was'nt human.

This makes no sense in relation to the event of mass effect 3 where the reapers are just harvesting everyone.

Has anyone else given this any thought?

I assumed. maybe incorrectly, that the other races were not being processed into Reapers or ascended, that only the humans were which is why they gunned for Earth primarily. The other races became canon fodder, though there are still human husks too. 

[savagejuicebox]

schneeland wrote...

savagejuicebox wrote...

Here is a theory of my own; What if they did intend on making an expansion to the ending all along, but all of this negative feedback about the game not being finished and it was a horrible ending and what not, caused them to re-access their original plan. So what they are now doing is saying that they are taking fan feedback to save face and saying it was never intended so the people who thought they got an incomplete game will be happy, those who didn't like the end can also be happy, and Bioware/EA comes out smelling like roses giving away DLC and implementing player feedback. THEY WILL NEVER CONFIRM OR DENY IT WAS INTENDED but if IT comes out and is the expanded ending then everyone will get what they want(well almost anybody).

Thoughts? I honestly think what they are doing is genius smarter than how they have been so far, if im right.

Shameless bump: again

I find the first part reasonable, but I don't agree on the conclusion, i.e. I don't think they are acting like genius, but rather they run about like headless chicken.

Yeah i shouldnt have said that, the way they are handleing it is horrible

[steve3194]

[quote]Simon_Says wrote...

[quote]steve3194 wrote...

I know this isn't related to I.T but  I've been pondering on it

Im replaying the trilogy (hopefully dlc will be out by the time im finished)

After hearing about the orignally planned ending I find it strange so far in mass effect 2

With
the original ending idea scrapped the collectors abducting human
colonies and being primarily interested in humans makes no sense. To me
at least.
It was understandable before as the proto-reaper was supposed to be able to stop dark energy spreading or watever
but now I just can't see how it fits.

Like on freedoms progress veetor was left behind presumbly because he was'nt human.

This makes no sense in relation to the event of mass effect 3 where the reapers are just harvesting everyone.

Has anyone else given this any thought?[/quote]

Veetor escaped detection. Therefore he wasn't killed or processed. Also, ME3 established that only 'special' species were chosen to be capital ships. Others became destroyers.

[quote]

Oh alright that was a reasonable enough explanation I suppose.

They must of had a shortage of capital ships in ME2
convient .

I know it probably fits but it just seems that was'nt the original intent and seems like a cover up

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

AdmiralsJack wrote...

stop feeding the trolls

Not trolling , just stating my opinion.If people want to continue to believe their free to keep doing so , as for myself I'm closing the door on it and just going with the endings are real(and will be explained in more detail).

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 06 avril 2012 - 11:23 .

[Simon_Says]

@Steve: They were short one capital: Sovereign.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 06 avril 2012 - 11:23 .

[davishepard]

Yeah, because you totally can do nothing to help the Reapers, never getting influenced by voices in your head to make this or that choice that will help the Reapers, never show any clear sign of indocrination at any momment of the three games and etc, considering that this particular person is the character controlled by the player, so everything he knows the player knows too, and actually being slowly and undetectably indocrinated.

I would feel sorry for the people that firmly believe in IT if they totally doesn't deserve the deception as a consequence to made up things and starting to believe in it over all the actual facts.

Modifié par davishepard, 06 avril 2012 - 11:26 .

[Skillz1986]

@lost..nobody was referring to you..at least i was not

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@lost..nobody was referring to you..at least i was not

Then I apologize , but I was just being clear anyway.

[AdmiralsJack]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

stop feeding the trolls

Not trolling , just stating my opinion.If people want to continue to believe their free to keep doing so , as for myself I'm closing the door on it and just going with the endings are real(and will be explained in more detail).

i was not referring to you, but i apologise of you felt insulted by me

[balance5050]

Derp88 wrote...

Argggh just too much ambiguity! I just hope they don't take TOO long to release the EC dlc. At this point I'm just waiting for it. No more speculation. If IT turns out to be true, great. If not, I'm sure Bioware have the skills to make their canon have sufficient closure to end Shepard's story-arc. I still trust in Bioware. Just better not be late summer when I might not care as much

Roll on 17th April! Can't wait for Witcher II on Xbox 360. Should provide a good distraction

Witcher 2 is good... Anyway, I just don't see how writing could get them out of this hole.. When you look at all the evidence we have gathered, if it's not I.T. then it really is just a dumb decision they would have to write themselves out of, not to mention the reused assets and strange anomolies, like Shepard bleeding from where he shot anderson, random members on LOST planet, relays destroying system. Also infinite ammo gun, and paragon renegade diologue choices being backward..

The easier decision for Bioware is I.T., it just... works, anything else would seem shoddy...

Modifié par balance5050, 06 avril 2012 - 11:27 .

[Rifneno]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

I'm interested in the Batarian as well. The omni-net looks pretty slick.

I was wondering how they'd work in giving us back the Dominate skill. Batarians of course! They'll just rename it "Enslave."

... Jesus, what is wrong with me?

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Oh look, we just lost a bunch more IT people for vague responses.

I know, right? Someone said "Um". They didn't even say a word and people are breaking down. Seriously?!

You guys freaking out over an "um", I'd like you to remember the wise words of any krogan when he revives someone in MP.

byne wrote...

If you lose all hope because of a vague answer and yesterday's DLC announcement which didnt say anything we hadnt already known for weeks, I'd venture a guess and say your faith in IT wasnt very strong to begin with.

QFT. Less fair weather, finicky IT followers please.

EpyonX3 wrote...

You're upset with the endings and that's fine. But talking about faith in a theory and accusing people of not having faith because the accept the overwhelming evidence against it is just plain silly.

Borderline cult if you ask me.

Fortunately, no one did ask you.

you purposely cut out what I was referring in an effort to associate me with other people. That's pretty dishonest.

No, dishonest is what you do when you claim "Shepard is definitely on the Citadel." because of a reused asset only seen via flycam and then turn right around and dismiss things that don't agree with your viewpoint because "Developers reuse graphical assets all the time."

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, the game is telling me it indoctrination, Ima go with that until summer.

QFT. The buzzing/ringing sounds out of place, the Sixth Sense usage of the kid on Earth, Shepard's eyes, the dream controls being used after the beam, the dreams crammed to the hilt with indoctrination symptoms, the purposely nonsensical scenes at and past the Citadel, the control pillars being labeled "bad choice" internally, I could go on and on about all the things in the game that don't just imply but SCREAM indoctrination. And people want to judge us because they suddenly believe vaguely worded statements (which utterly contradict previous clear statements about how the ending would play out), hypocrites want to call us a "cult" because we're not hung on every word of a company that's obviously doing everything they can to talk for hours yet say nothing?

I believe Shepard said it best: "I haven't been shot in the head nearly enough times to make that seem like a good idea."

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

AdmiralsJack wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

stop feeding the trolls

Not trolling , just stating my opinion.If people want to continue to believe their free to keep doing so , as for myself I'm closing the door on it and just going with the endings are real(and will be explained in more detail).

i was not referring to you, but i apologise of you felt insulted by me

None needed /no problems, I just didn't want to seem like I was trolling and maybe I just assumed it was toward me.Again to everyone no need to feel any guilt.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 06 avril 2012 - 11:32 .

[Skillz1986]

I just do not get peolle who try to convince other people of their opinion. it's just selfish, and somekimd of rude. don't get me wrong, i am not trying to compare this theory to religious beliefs, but devishepard..do you try to convince other people of you religious beliefs because you do not like theirs? It's only natural for people to hold on to things, that provide a certain kind of sense to things and situations lacking such. i for my part am holding on to IT because it is the only theory, providing some sense to the current endings. and i believe many other here also do. why would you try to talk them out of it..i mean is this just "your thing"? Do you get off on this or something? A hobby? Dude...get a life!

[CLB17]

davishepard wrote...

Yeah, because you totally can do nothing to help the Reapers, never getting influenced by voices in your head to make this or that choice that will help the Reapers, never show any clear sign of indocrination at any momment of the three games and etc, considering that this particular person is the character controlled by the player, so everything he knows the player knows too, and actually being slowly and undetectably indocrinated.

I would feel sorry for the people that firmly believe in IT if they totally doesn't deserve the deception as a consequence to made up things and starting to believe in it over all the actual facts.

Could you please list all of these actual facts that disprove IT. 

[Eshaye]

So back in the 80's and early 90's, stories with no endings, or weird conclusions with cliffhangers or WTF moments were all the rage. I used to love these type of short stories or novels, Stephen King has written a few too. If this was the intention with the ending then it's well played, otherwise give me an advil or 3.

Also maybe that's why I don't find the ending all that enraging at all. I would like more answers but I can deal with none. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 06 avril 2012 - 11:38 .

[Simon_Says]

CLB17 wrote...

davishepard wrote...

Yeah, because you totally can do nothing to help the Reapers, never getting influenced by voices in your head to make this or that choice that will help the Reapers, never show any clear sign of indocrination at any momment of the three games and etc, considering that this particular person is the character controlled by the player, so everything he knows the player knows too, and actually being slowly and undetectably indocrinated.

I would feel sorry for the people that firmly believe in IT if they totally doesn't deserve the deception as a consequence to made up things and starting to believe in it over all the actual facts.

Could you please list all of these actual facts that disprove IT. 

So far, there is some information that could be construed as evidence. Bioware's past failures with DA2 (doesn't apply to the ME writing staff). The responses given over the IT issue (but nonconfirmation is not denial). Some mechanics with the game such as third person cinematics and the destroy option for low EMS runs.

None of it actually resides in the series canon itself, unlike most of what we've found to support IT.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 06 avril 2012 - 11:40 .

[Lyria]

This is for the Trolls/hungry Goriya.
Now let us pass.

Modifié par protognosis, 06 avril 2012 - 11:40 .

[AdmiralsJack]

protognosis wrote...




This is for the Trolls/hungry Goriya.
Now let us pass.

LOL you them they will go after finished with that?^^

[redBadger14]

Just jumped in the thread and didn't see if anyone posted this already, apologies if it has, but I think this should be discussed.

BioWare was asked about the Indoctrination Theory at their panel at PAX and they did not comment, saying "we will let the content [Extended Cut] speak for itself."

http://www.g4tv.com/...ware-stays-mum/

Interesting....

[CLB17]

[/quote]So far, there is some information that could be construed as evidence.

None of it actually resides in the series canon itself, unlike most of what we've found to support IT.

[/quote]

I applaud your efforts to find evidence tht disproves IT. I keep asking this question to these people cause they always say that there's a ton I evidence that disprove IT but don't actually say what that evidence is.

[Lyria]

Its a reference to Legend of Zelda. There is a monster called a Goriya in level 3 that blocks your way and says "Grumble, Grumble" and will not leave you alone until you feed it red meat. And that's the image of the meat from the game manual.

Modifié par protognosis, 06 avril 2012 - 11:47 .