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[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Eshaye wrote...

So back in the 80's and early 90's, stories with no endings, or weird conclusions with cliffhangers or WTF moments were all the rage. I used to love these type of short stories or novels, Stephen King has written a few too. If this was the intention with the ending then it's well played, otherwise give me an advil or 3.

Also maybe that's why I don't find the ending all that enraging at all. I would like more answers but I can deal with none. 

The endings are enraging , but I feel it's more of because alot was left out that should have been explained.

[Derp88]

balance5050 wrote...

Derp88 wrote...

Argggh just too much ambiguity! I just hope they don't take TOO long to release the EC dlc. At this point I'm just waiting for it. No more speculation. If IT turns out to be true, great. If not, I'm sure Bioware have the skills to make their canon have sufficient closure to end Shepard's story-arc. I still trust in Bioware. Just better not be late summer when I might not care as much

Roll on 17th April! Can't wait for Witcher II on Xbox 360. Should provide a good distraction

Witcher 2 is good... Anyway, I just don't see how writing could get them out of this hole.. When you look at all the evidence we have gathered, if it's not I.T. then it really is just a dumb decision they would have to write themselves out of, not to mention the reused assets and strange anomolies, like Shepard bleeding from where he shot anderson, random members on LOST planet, relays destroying system. Also infinite ammo gun, and paragon renegade diologue choices being backward..

The easier decision for Bioware is I.T., it just... works, anything else would seem shoddy...

I agree. IT would be the ideal solution to offer more clarification to the endings. All I'm saying is that if it's not IT, I still believe Bioware have the writing ability to still provide proper closure to a trilogy that deserves it. If anyone can make sense of the endings if they are to be taken at face-value, Bioware can. 

Baldur's Gate II is still the master piece from Bioware in my opinion. Shadows of Amn and Throne of Bhaal, just role-playing and engaging story at its finest

Mass Effect trilogy could still be up there with BG2. Gonna have to wait on the Extended Cut to see.

[AdmiralsJack]

[quote]CLB17 wrote...

[/quote]So far, there is some information that could be construed as evidence.

None of it actually resides in the series canon itself, unlike most of what we've found to support IT.

[/quote]

I applaud your efforts to find evidence tht disproves IT. I keep asking this question to these people cause they always say that there's a ton I evidence that disprove IT but don't actually say what that evidence is.

[/quote]

they are just trolling with you

[balance5050]

redBadger14 wrote...

Just jumped in the thread and didn't see if anyone posted this already, apologies if it has, but I think this should be discussed.

BioWare was asked about the Indoctrination Theory at their panel at PAX and they did not comment, saying "we will let the content [Extended Cut] speak for itself."

http://www.g4tv.com/...ware-stays-mum/

Interesting....

WAOH!

"The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"

The f****** "um" was added in!!!

They said "again" not "um" accordingto this. That changes things a bit?

Modifié par balance5050, 06 avril 2012 - 11:48 .

[IronSabbath88]

"Speak for itself" says all you need to know.

We could be right, we could be wrong. But if we are right, they will let us SEE we were right, not tell us.

I appreciate that if that's the case.

[Spiderman_2028]

So... No news then? 

I've read about the multiplayer thing... You know- the info BioWare have been claiming is completely false for 2 or 3 weeks now. So that's.... Whatever.

I know the constant cry of Hold the Line is there, but honestly? I'm over it. Not because BW won't confirm or deny IT. They were never going to, probably never will. Doing anything that could be interpreted as aligning to a 'fan-theory' would compromise their precious artistic integrity, whether it planned if not.

The more I read/hear/ consider this whole mess, the more I think BioWare just screwed the pooch big time.

Consider: the MP DLC lands April 10th, just over a month after release. So those assets were and are effectively ready to go.

Single player content? Nope. They are taking a couple of months to slap that together and tack it onto the main game, it seems.

I've really enjoyed the IT. I think the key points were brilliantly interpreted. And whilst I and others followed some very odd, light-weight tangents to see if anything had been missed, at it's core I think what was constructed for IT was pretty strong.

That being said, it seems less and less likely to me that this was Bioware's plan all along- to indoctrinate Shep and/or the player and do something truly unique and memorable. Well actually they did do that, but not in the GOOD way. I'm starting to realize that they actually believe the endings as they are, are great. They think they are clever, artistic, and perfect. Which is just garbage. Effectively BioWare left the party, but took a dump behind the couch before they left. We all know that something stinks, but we can't find it.

Thanks all for your hospitality. I've enjoyed the thread- you're all awesome. If the EC redeems the endings, I'll come back and celebrate with you all.

Until then, I'm way to bitter and angry to make any constructive contributions. Ive spent a lot of time on this- but I'm not prepared to waste anymore on it.

ME3 can sit and gather dust till whenever. I'll play through 2 instead- the last satisfying gaming experience I had- and the game that dragged me into this cluster@$&k in the first place.

Take care of yourselves, and each other.

Or as my LI Jack might say:

"Stop being pu$$i3$!"

~~Spidey

Edit: Oh one more thing.... Regarding Hold The Line? I've not played ME1... So it has no power over me...!!!

Modifié par Spiderman_2028, 06 avril 2012 - 11:51 .

[schneeland]

balance5050 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Just jumped in the thread and didn't see if anyone posted this already, apologies if it has, but I think this should be discussed.

BioWare was asked about the Indoctrination Theory at their panel at PAX and they did not comment, saying "we will let the content [Extended Cut] speak for itself."

http://www.g4tv.com/...ware-stays-mum/

Interesting....

WAOH!

"The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"

The f****** "um" was added in!!!

They said "again" not "um" accordingto this. That changes things a bit?

It would change the tone completely. However, without a audio or video recording, it's impossible to say (and I don't see that on that page)

[IronSabbath88]

I'd like to remind everyone about when BioWare was questioned with Multiplayer, they did this exact same thing, dodged the question and never gave an outright yes or no.

Just food for thought.

[Eshaye]

redBadger14 wrote...

Just jumped in the thread and didn't see if anyone posted this already, apologies if it has, but I think this should be discussed.

BioWare was asked about the Indoctrination Theory at their panel at PAX and they did not comment, saying "we will let the content [Extended Cut] speak for itself."

http://www.g4tv.com/...ware-stays-mum/

Interesting....

Again, my gut feeling says they are not changing anything but simply adding to the experience to round it out. I also think there's a possiblity that though IT IS true that it does not mean the endings are invalid and not real, even though they are seriously stupid except for destroy. 

There's nothing right now that can convince me that Shepard isn't lying on the ground dreaming the final encounter, far too clues that indicate that this is what is going on, but that doesn't mean that Shepard final choice doesn't influence the Reapers. My wish to make everyone happy would be to find real reasons to why control and synthesis are possibilities. 

The only real problem I have with the ending is the whole 'problem and solution' thing, it just doesn't work. FIX that and then we'll talk. I hope this is what they will address. 

[Big G13]

redBadger14 wrote...

Just jumped in the thread and didn't see if anyone posted this already, apologies if it has, but I think this should be discussed.

BioWare was asked about the Indoctrination Theory at their panel at PAX and they did not comment, saying "we will let the content [Extended Cut] speak for itself."

http://www.g4tv.com/...ware-stays-mum/

Interesting....

I just jumped in for a few minutes before work, so, thanks for the info.

[monrapias]

LeRavelle wrote...

monrapias wrote...

Either.Ardrey wrote...

monrapias wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Video of BW answer to the IT

http://yfrog.com/0jm0vdzyfrog.com/0jm0vdz

(Turn up your volume)

THere is one thing that I don't get there.

People are clapping.

An audience will clap and cheer for just about anything. For instance, music contest reality shows. After a horrid performance, the audience still claps and cheers like crazy ANYWAY.

You've never seen Britain's got talent have you?

They clap when the Clap Sign turns on.

When they walk on stage yes, if they are crap they got "OFF! OFF! OFF!"

[SojournerN7]

redBadger14 wrote...
BioWare was asked about the Indoctrination Theory at their panel at PAX and they did not comment, saying "we will let the content [Extended Cut] speak for itself." [Link]

Interesting....

Very interesting. Looking forward to the content, not looking forward to the wait.

[Njald]

So Indoc is either completly off the table and nothing was said as to not ****** off the indoc crowd or the Indoc is very close to "the truth" and nothing was definitly said as to not give away the DLC. Or Indoc is false but fan speculation is somehow something EA earns money on these days. Speculation=money? I can't see how when most speculation seems to be how to fix the faulty product and anger over why it's broken in the first place.
Haven't seen this much noncommital to an issue since presidental debates regarding abortion and guncontrol

[redBadger14]

Sojourner83 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...
BioWare was asked about the Indoctrination Theory at their panel at PAX and they did not comment, saying "we will let the content [Extended Cut] speak for itself." [Link]

Interesting....

Very interesting. Looking forward to the content, not looking forward to the wait.

Think of it this way; the longer the wait, the better the content will be 

[LeRavelle]

Can I get some clarification on Sovereign's destroy the human race motive? Why is he so focused on the human race while we're the least advanced and often called "primitive" by some other races.

[DocJill]

Sojourner83 wrote...



Very interesting. Looking forward to the content, not looking forward to the wait.

Me neither, but I say let them take all the time they want.  The las time they were rushed, look at the pile of poo that resulted. 

[Hacedor1566]

davishepard wrote...

Yeah, because you totally can do nothing to help the Reapers, never getting influenced by voices in your head to make this or that choice that will help the Reapers, never show any clear sign of indocrination at any momment of the three games and etc, considering that this particular person is the character controlled by the player, so everything he knows the player knows too, and actually being slowly and undetectably indocrinated.

I would feel sorry for the people that firmly believe in IT if they totally doesn't deserve the deception as a consequence to made up things and starting to believe in it over all the actual facts.

Last time I use this, but... I cannot resist the temptation 

[DocJill]

And count me in as someone who still has a sliver of hope for IT. Maybe just a sliver, but it's still there.

[DocJill]

LeRavelle wrote...

Can I get some clarification on Sovereign's destroy the human race motive? Why is he so focused on the human race while we're the least advanced and often called "primitive" by some other races.

From what I could tell, during every cycle the Reapers take special interest in one species to make new Reapers out of.  Hence the human reaper.  It is speculated that this is thier form of reproduction.  Why we never see any other type of reaper besides the crusteceans I don't know. 

[Domanese]

schneeland wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Just jumped in the thread and didn't see if anyone posted this already, apologies if it has, but I think this should be discussed.

BioWare was asked about the Indoctrination Theory at their panel at PAX and they did not comment, saying "we will let the content [Extended Cut] speak for itself."

http://www.g4tv.com/...ware-stays-mum/

Interesting....

WAOH!

"The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"

The f****** "um" was added in!!!

They said "again" not "um" accordingto this. That changes things a bit?

It would change the tone completely. However, without a audio or video recording, it's impossible to say (and I don't see that on that page)

There actually was a video recording I think. If Im inaccurate though you can of course correct me. Is this what you refer to?

http://yfrog.com/0jm0vdz

[Big G13]

Hacedor1566 wrote...

davishepard wrote...

Yeah, because you totally can do nothing to help the Reapers, never getting influenced by voices in your head to make this or that choice that will help the Reapers, never show any clear sign of indocrination at any momment of the three games and etc, considering that this particular person is the character controlled by the player, so everything he knows the player knows too, and actually being slowly and undetectably indocrinated.

I would feel sorry for the people that firmly believe in IT if they totally doesn't deserve the deception as a consequence to made up things and starting to believe in it over all the actual facts.

Last time I use this, but... I cannot resist the temptation 

OH, Don't say that. Use it sparingly, use it appropriately, but don't stop using it. It is classIC.

[schneeland]

Domanese wrote...

schneeland wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Just jumped in the thread and didn't see if anyone posted this already, apologies if it has, but I think this should be discussed.

BioWare was asked about the Indoctrination Theory at their panel at PAX and they did not comment, saying "we will let the content [Extended Cut] speak for itself."

http://www.g4tv.com/...ware-stays-mum/

Interesting....

WAOH!

"The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"

The f****** "um" was added in!!!

They said "again" not "um" accordingto this. That changes things a bit?

It would change the tone completely. However, without a audio or video recording, it's impossible to say (and I don't see that on that page)

There actually was a video recording I think. If Im inaccurate though you can of course correct me. Is this what you refer to?

http://yfrog.com/0jm0vdz

Yes, the problem with that video is that it actually lacks the parts where they say either "um" or "again".

[steve3194]

LeRavelle wrote...

Can I get some clarification on Sovereign's destroy the human race motive? Why is he so focused on the human race while we're the least advanced and often called "primitive" by some other races.

I think this was linked to the old ending plan where a  human proto-reaper was supposed to have the ability to stop the spread of dark energy. Something about the human race being unique

[schneeland]

protognosis wrote...

Its a reference to Legend of Zelda. There is a monster called a Goriya in level 3 that blocks your way and says "Grumble, Grumble" and will not leave you alone until you feed it red meat. And that's the image of the meat from the game manual.

Ah, the old days ... I remember that one

[LeRavelle]

DocJill wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Can I get some clarification on Sovereign's destroy the human race motive? Why is he so focused on the human race while we're the least advanced and often called "primitive" by some other races.

From what I could tell, during every cycle the Reapers take special interest in one species to make new Reapers out of.  Hence the human reaper.  It is speculated that this is thier form of reproduction.  Why we never see any other type of reaper besides the crusteceans I don't know. 

Ah I see,  it would be weird to see giant terminators use space travel, they're made for land, not spacefaring. No idea how they were planning on using those.