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killnoob wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Grow up, or shut up. Pick one.
Believe me, I would shut up if anyone respond with a logical counter arguement and not these "he's a troll dont listen to him " post.
GBGriffin wrote...
NoSpin wrote...
You interpret them saying one thing, I interpret what they are saying as something different. You can't say your interpretation is the correct oneThe current endings are JUST as intended, that is why they defended them. Indoc theory relies on this story (Shepard's) continuing. Buzz Aldrin and Oxygen seem to point at this story continuing. Will the ending expansions make it even clearer? Or will they just explain why Joker is a scared little girl?
It will be a couple months before we find out. Pleasure talking with you sir. I'm out!
Haha, I should be getting to bed as well. Later!
Dwailing wrote...
See yah dude! When this is all over, I'll buy you a virtual drink, and whoever is right can rub it in the other's face. Sound good?
GBGriffin wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
How is my point off topic? My point is that any interpretation is as valid as any. Yours is that no interpretation besides your own is valid. It's called being open minded bro. You should try it sometime. You seem to neglect the fact that bioware intended room for interpretation..hence the fact that I have to keep repeating myself in order for you to soak it in. This thread was never about saying that indoctrination was indeed the truth... rather than the fact that it makes sense, fits and is way better than the pile of crap you proudly support.
See, again, you're changing your argument and not presenting it clearly enough. First, you say that your intent is that any interpretation is valid...which should mean that mine is as well. Mine, by your logic, is an interpretation, so why not respect it as a valid one...if that is indeed your intent?
Also, if that was the purpose of the thread, it seems that not everyone thinks as you do. If that's your interpretation, and that all of this is speculation and not fact, then I'm okay with that.
You're also misinterpreting my message. Not all theories are wrong; I just think this one is.
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
Haha... i'm pretty sure you said you were open to interpretation just a few pages ago.
What theories are right then bud? Lets hear them.
killnoob wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Grow up, or shut up. Pick one.
Believe me, I would shut up if anyone respond with a logical counter arguement and not these "he's a troll dont listen to him " post.
GBGriffin wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
Haha... i'm pretty sure you said you were open to interpretation just a few pages ago.
What theories are right then bud? Lets hear them.
Wait...so, is my theory valid by your logic? Please, answer that first.
Golferguy758 wrote...
Come on guys. I think we just need a real D'AWWW moment
GBGriffin wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
See yah dude! When this is all over, I'll buy you a virtual drink, and whoever is right can rub it in the other's face. Sound good?
Haha, deal
GBGriffin wrote...
lex0r11 wrote...
Gee, and here i thought IT supporters were supposed to be fanatic.
Actually, the fringe element is. Not all of them. I've even made the remark that if the IT keeps you holding the line, then believe in it. Just don't get confrontational over trying to prove it.
blooregard wrote...
Golferguy758 wrote...
Come on guys. I think we just need a real D'AWWW moment
DAAAAAWWWWWWW
Why do people still come in here and fight fire with fire? WHY?
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killnoob wrote...
I'm not even talking about interpretations at this point.
Interpretations are fine. Go happy.
I'm talking about the facts.
The fact is:
Bioware PR statement reads "There will be room for interpretation" (kudos to noobsauce here)
But they also stated "There will not be an alternative endings.'
My question is this:
if indoctrination theory requires Shepard waking up and finish off the reapers
How can you do it if the ending is not expanded?
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that they removed this scene, or add more to it. How can you extrapolate the ending using the indoctrination theory?
Assuming everything we learn about the catalyst is false. It is merely the work of indoctrinations.
We still don't know what crucible does.
We still don't know if Shepard will make it to the crucible or not.
Are these questions answerable using a three minute cutscenes?
Actually...my question regarding your intent came before your question as to what I think are valid interpretations, and the answer to that question, I'd say, will determine my response.n00bsauce2010 wrote...
Proving my point of selective replying. Since I presented a question first.. you have to answer it before presenting a question of your own. Thats how a discussion works bud.
Modifié par GBGriffin, 07 avril 2012 - 04:42 .
Dwailing wrote...
GBGriffin wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
See yah dude! When this is all over, I'll buy you a virtual drink, and whoever is right can rub it in the other's face. Sound good?
Haha, deal
Paragon interrupt to shake hands.
killnoob wrote...
I'm not even talking about interpretations at this point.
Interpretations are fine. Go happy.
I'm talking about the facts.
The fact is:
Bioware PR statement reads "There will be room for interpretation" (kudos to noobsauce here)
But they also stated "There will not be an alternative endings.'
My question is this:
if indoctrination theory requires Shepard waking up and finish off the reapers
How can you do it if the ending is not expanded?
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that they removed this scene, or add more to it. How can you extrapolate the ending using the indoctrination theory?
Assuming everything we learn about the catalyst is false. It is merely the work of indoctrinations.
We still don't know what crucible does.
We still don't know if Shepard will make it to the crucible or not.
Are these questions answerable using a three minute cutscenes?
Fhaarkas wrote...
Seriously though, IMO in the end it all boils down to realists vs imaginists. I think IT is already pretty sound as a theory.
[speculation] The breath scene was supposed to invoke that "Was it real?" question. But because the preceding scenes were done so ****** poorly (thus not appeasing the realists - face value and IT both), it all went haywire.
Modifié par Fhaarkas, 07 avril 2012 - 04:43 .
GBGriffin wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
GBGriffin wrote...
Proving my point of selective replying. Since I presented a question first.. you have to answer it before presenting a question of your own. Thats how a discussion works bud.
Actually...my question regarding your intent came before your question as to what I think are valid interpretations, and the answer to that question, I'd say, will determine my response.
Honestly, if you believe that I have a valid interpretation (which, if any interpretation is as good as any other, I do), and that the Indoctrination is speculation and not fact, then I have no reason to even argue with you.
Could you please answer those first? It may actually prevent the need for further posting.
lex0r11 wrote...
GBGriffin wrote...
lex0r11 wrote...
Gee, and here i thought IT supporters were supposed to be fanatic.
Actually, the fringe element is. Not all of them. I've even made the remark that if the IT keeps you holding the line, then believe in it. Just don't get confrontational over trying to prove it.
No problem, we're cool GBGriffin. As long as someone doesn't come in here to disprove a THEORY based on SPECULATION with some other SPECULATION and just repeats the same thing all over again.
Please, come in here with a quote from Bioware saying something like:
Indoctrination of Shepard did not take place during the game. It has nothing to do with the end.
We can't prove it's right, opposers can't prove it's wrong.
Why do people still come in here and fight fire with fire? WHY?
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Fhaarkas wrote...
can't resist
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
My intent is to state that all interpretations are valid if they fit in with the mythos and lore of the game. Bioware intended speculation and interpretation. (I'm repeating myself again)
Therefore the ending at face value isn't real an interpretation and just a steaming pile of ****.. because it does not fit at all with any of the previous lore.
What is your interpretation? and what exactly are the "valid theories" that warrant truth as opposed to indoc.
If you need anymore clarification after that then it's just a lost cause.
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
How is my point off topic? My point is that any interpretation is as valid as any.
GBGriffin wrote...
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
My intent is to state that all interpretations are valid if they fit in with the mythos and lore of the game. Bioware intended speculation and interpretation. (I'm repeating myself again)
Therefore the ending at face value isn't real an interpretation and just a steaming pile of ****.. because it does not fit at all with any of the previous lore.
What is your interpretation? and what exactly are the "valid theories" that warrant truth as opposed to indoc.
If you need anymore clarification after that then it's just a lost cause.n00bsauce2010 wrote...
How is my point off topic? My point is that any interpretation is as valid as any.
Notice that you did not say that bit about mythos and lore. Those words do not appear in your original post regarding your intent.
You changed your argument. By your original argument, I am correct; by your new one, I am not.
Modifié par n00bsauce2010, 07 avril 2012 - 04:49 .
Golferguy758 wrote...
Come on guys. I think we just need a real D'AWWW moment
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
Your turn to answer my question.
n00bsauce2010 wrote...
^ again proves my point of choosing to reply to posts in order to fit your argument
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