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[lex0r11]

All this hate is ruining my breakfast!



Now I need motivation. Imagine how that makes me feel. IMAGINE.

[Arian Dynas]

killnoob wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Fhaarkas wrote...

killnoob wrote...

that means they're gonna give us cinematic so long that it explains the REAL purpose of crucible, HOW shepard got to it, and HOW It turns out.

They're not. That's the whole point of this 'clarification' DLC, so that it can make sense to everyone, including the ones asking these questions that you laid out.

Clarification DLC = cinematics.

I really dont think you can explain the real purpose of crucible using cinematics.
Nor do I think you can explain how Shepard gets to the citedal, how he uses it, and what happens afterward.

It's good that you have a straight answer though. Appreciate it.

I don't know wich twitter of them it was, but gameplay ist not ruled out. I'll try to find it again.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2012/04/free-extended-cut-dlc-to-expand-clarify-mass-effect-3-ending-this-summer.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

Clarification DLC features extended cutscene and cinematics.

No gameplay is offered. If there is they would tell you already, wouldn't they?

You know, you never answered my question.

Why are you here asking for an intellectual conversation, when you are only going to dismiss it out of hand?

[balance5050]

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

I believe in IT!

[UrgedDuke]

IT is the best possible expatiation

[balance5050]

UrgedDuke wrote...

IT is the best possible expatiation

[n00bsauce2010]

GBGriffin wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...



Sadly I still don't think you understand the definition of interpretation or what a theory actually is. My arguments don't really mean anything in determining that.

All I'm asking is why you felt the need to clarify your stance, making it more specific and, in doing so, ruling out my interpretation of the ending.

If what I am presenting is not an interpretation, what is it? Fact?

Your interpretation should not be based off an assumption about "the writing" or deadlines or any of that crap.. but rather what is actually found inside of the game.. and not outside of it.

Your interpretation of the ending wasn't made clear until after I shifted my stance anyways so it doesn't really matter.

I merely made my argument clearer to understand. Because my second argument is based on biowares intent to the fanbase. Such theories like "intoxication" are just lawl attempts and don't warrant anything other than quick laugh.

[CLB17]

GBGriffin wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

But you never actually stated your "theory"....

Stated it on the last page "bud"

GBGriffin wrote...

CLB17 wrote...

So what is you main point that IT isn't true? I'm willing to listen.

Yes, that is my point. IT is not true, and the game as it stands came about as a combination of a rushed product and bad writing/design. They're defense of the endings as is, and their reaction overall, confirms this for me.

Again, the evidence for IT came about after the theory was formed. The evidence did not form the theory. People proposed the idea and then went back to twist game elements to make it work, while simultaneously discarding any evidence to the contrary.

That is my main point.

 

Now, your explanation, please?

Well from what i've seen the people at bioware have actuelly been hinting at indoctrination. One PR person ( forget who) said that we should hold onto our save files and that if we knew what was in store for ME3 we would want to hang on to our copies forever. Jessica Merizan has even pointed people to this thread twice becasue we expalin the ending better than she could. Could one of you find these twitters, don't know where to look for them.

[balance5050]

The unstoppable continues!

[GBGriffin]

UrgedDuke wrote...

IT is the best possible expatiation

Nope. It actually has several issues with it.

For one, as it stands, it invalidates the current endings and makes the other two options "incorrect". Without additional gameplay, two scenes would essentially be game overs because even the people who pick Control and Synthesis don't want their Shep to become indoctrinated.

IT only favors the people who pick Destroy. That isn't a balanced ending.

[Fhaarkas]

Again, seriously what are we doing here?

It's pretty obvious to me they were drawing a lot of influence from films like The Prestige, Inception, The Matrix, maybe War of the Worlds as well (haven't watched). To be blunt, that's the 'artistic integrity' that they keep yapping about - a bunch of twists and storytelling methods that have been done before somewhere else. Edit: Not to say that it wouldn't work or be impressive.

They tried to implement them in a game, screwed up, many people ended up not getting it (what they tried to do with the ending). That's the most 'normal' possibility of what happened that I can think of.

Modifié par Fhaarkas, 07 avril 2012 - 05:46 .

[UrgedDuke]

GBGriffin why do you care so much. Why can't you just move on

[DirtyPhoenix]

Just woke up a while ago, so what I get from reading the previous posts is that nothing new has come out at PAX? Just the usual PR trash? Boy this is depressing. Don't know if I can hold out till summer (how many months from now?) This is seriously sad.. :'(

[DashingSplash]

GBGriffin wrote...

Again, it will take one simple sentence to make me move on, and it begins as such:

I changed my stance because _______.

If he can fill in the blank, which doesn't seem that hard to do, then I will gladly move on.

Otherwise, there's nothing to discuss because my theory is true by one argument and false by another, yet it only became invalid when I pointed out that it was valid by his original argument.

I'd hope that you would understand what both I, Jade and other told you.
Be the better man/woman and let it go. He made, according to you, a mistake. You know this, is it not enough?
Or do you enjoy "Humans on their knees." as EDI put it?

[UrgedDuke]

GBGriffin wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

IT is the best possible expatiation

Nope. It actually has several issues with it.

For one, as it stands, it invalidates the current endings and makes the other two options "incorrect". Without additional gameplay, two scenes would essentially be game overs because even the people who pick Control and Synthesis don't want their Shep to become indoctrinated.

IT only favors the people who pick Destroy. That isn't a balanced ending.

The endings as they stand are unbalanced because two favor the reapers^_^

[n00bsauce2010]

GBGriffin wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

IT is the best possible expatiation

Nope. It actually has several issues with it.

For one, as it stands, it invalidates the current endings and makes the other two options "incorrect". Without additional gameplay, two scenes would essentially be game overs because even the people who pick Control and Synthesis don't want their Shep to become indoctrinated.

IT only favors the people who pick Destroy. That isn't a balanced ending.

You're assuming that the indoctrination theory has only one correct ending.
When I think it doesn't.
If it were indeed fact then bioware could easily include concequences with the other choices.

According to the extended cut.. the only ending where shep lives is the only one where he'll be united with the love interest.. therefore that choice can be considered "correct"

[Fhaarkas]

GBGriffin wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

IT is the best possible expatiation

Nope. It actually has several issues with it.

For one, as it stands, it invalidates the current endings and makes the other two options "incorrect". Without additional gameplay, two scenes would essentially be game overs because even the people who pick Control and Synthesis don't want their Shep to become indoctrinated.

IT only favors the people who pick Destroy. That isn't a balanced ending.

Genuine curiosity - do you think it's a conincidence that they only put the breath scene for the Destroy option?

[Rip504]

So it's broke?

[Golferguy758]

lex0r11 wrote...

All this hate is ruining my breakfast!



Now I need motivation. Imagine how that makes me feel. IMAGINE.

It's okay Lexor. This will make you feel better

[CLB17]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

IT is the best possible expatiation

Nope. It actually has several issues with it.

For one, as it stands, it invalidates the current endings and makes the other two options "incorrect". Without additional gameplay, two scenes would essentially be game overs because even the people who pick Control and Synthesis don't want their Shep to become indoctrinated.

IT only favors the people who pick Destroy. That isn't a balanced ending.

You're assuming that the indoctrination theory has only one correct ending.
When I think it doesn't.
If it were indeed fact then bioware could easily include concequences with the other choices.

According to the extended cut.. the only ending where shep lives is the only one where he'll be united with the love interest.. therefore that choice can be considered "correct"

I seem to remeber Jessica Merizan stating that Shepard only lives if you chose destruction. If he dies there can be no extended cut.

[balance5050]

GBGriffin wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

IT is the best possible expatiation

Nope. It actually has several issues with it.

For one, as it stands, it invalidates the current endings and makes the other two options "incorrect". Without additional gameplay, two scenes would essentially be game overs because even the people who pick Control and Synthesis don't want their Shep to become indoctrinated.

IT only favors the people who pick Destroy. That isn't a balanced ending.

No, it leaves the other two endings open to incredible renegade "ruling the universe using the reapers" option and a truly bad ending where the reapers control shepard and win.
 

[lex0r11]

GBGriffin wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

IT is the best possible expatiation

Nope. It actually has several issues with it.

For one, as it stands, it invalidates the current endings and makes the other two options "incorrect". Without additional gameplay, two scenes would essentially be game overs because even the people who pick Control and Synthesis don't want their Shep to become indoctrinated.

IT only favors the people who pick Destroy. That isn't a balanced ending.

I brought this up before but to hell with it.

See the options as modifiers for the rest of the game. The choice will determine if people will die and how many. Taking EMS into account it will also lead to a happy ending, bittersweet victory or an absolute destruction of the earth and victory for the reapers.

[shodiswe]

The only part of the indoctrination thing Iwould subscribe to is that Shepard might have been slightly indoctrinated towards the end, not completely or enough to actualy control him like saren but enough to stop asking the catalyst the tough questions and questioning it's motives.

Then again, the part with the illusive man forcing shepard into shooting Anderson despite my Shepards incredible charisma and ability to sway others... But an illusion? I think not.

The end with the catalyst is weird thoguh and completely out of character, be it bloodloss or indoctrination or a combination of the 2. Also if you listened to the research logs at sanctuary Adrenaline made indoctrination easier and faster. secondly one of those conversations with Joker reveals that shepard is more stressed now than he was on akuze (sole survivor) where threshermaws ate his/her whole company.. Is he indoctrinated? is he more receptible than ever? I would say that's likely the case.
What shepard needs is meds to lower his stress lvl if possible without weakening his mental atributes... not sure if that's possible, but maybe that could help fight indoctrination or at the very least slow it down.

Whatever adrenaline seems to be the enemy and... lastly the end doesn't make sense to me.

[MintyCool]

(soz for the post again just trying to get facts right)

Please let me know if this is accurate: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11124862

If I'm missing somthing about Indoc leme know and I'll fix it.

Thanks.

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[GBGriffin]

DashingSplash wrote...


I'd hope that you would understand what both I, Jade and other told you.
Be the better man/woman and let it go. He made, according to you, a mistake. You know this, is it not enough?
Or do you enjoy "Humans on their knees." as EDI put it?

No, you're right. That is fair enough. He made a mistake, I caught him, and, while his admission of such would be nice, I can move on without it.

Sheesh, that was exhausting.

[lex0r11]

Golferguy758 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

All this hate is ruining my breakfast!



Now I need motivation. Imagine how that makes me feel. IMAGINE.

It's okay Lexor. This will make you feel better

But the cat has probably been taken too by Harbinger for all the hate in this thread, if you've seen my other picture some pages back.