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[Mr. Mistake]

Sorry, but you folks gotta see this:

http://i.imgur.com/KbrMI.jpg

EDIT: Hyperlinked now, for your convenience.

Modifié par Mr. Mistake, 12 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[honorableshadow]

Auresta wrote...

Traestus wrote...

I just want to note also before the game came out in a preview, I can't remember where but it was announced that

Indoctrination seems to play a role in ME3, possibly including party members

interesting..

Reminds me of the dialogue between Chakwas and Engineer Adams. Shep can either support Chakwas (who says machines are just machines) or Adams. I don't remember Adams's exact lines but it's pretty much the opposite of what Chakwas said...I think.

[John Never Dies]

Evindell wrote...

For those thinking indoctrination (and the timeline that goes along with it), I would like to draw attention to the ANN report on Rana Thanoptis. She apparantly goes crazy and kills top level asari, after complaining about hearing voices. Obviously, she's been indoctrinated since ME 1, yet didn't break until ME 3.

Of course you have to let her live. My paragon (canon) Shepard did. I can't remember the exact message, but I was surprised when I read it. It's mentioned on the Mass Effect wiki: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Rana_Thanoptis

Maybe that's why they meet up so much? Shep and Rana.

[Auresta]

WvStolzing wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...

The hallucination theory is completely plausible, although I feel that it is unlikely.

The one rule of such major plot twists is that there has to be a clear narrative prepping throughout the game. You've to look for something that is completely inexplicable; something that can only be explained with the hallucination. I do not feel the foreshadowing cited as examples throughout this thread are convincing enough -- simply because I can refute every most of them easily with a conventional knowledge.

The youtube video does not help your cause; it is beyond nitpicking. For example; You do not see your UI because your UI is linked to Shep's suit (you don't see your UI when Shep's in his casual gear). Shep's suit was destroyed when he took the reaper laser. Your screen looks blurry at the edges because Shep just took a direct laser hit to the face. The reason why Illusive man looks like saren is because he chose to implant reaper tech into himself (explained via video log in the Cerebus assault); he was basically being huskified.

Don't get me wrong -- I want to believe that this is it, that Bioware is about pull the world's greatest video game stunt. But after viewing the 'evidence' again for myself, I can't help but doubt.

The other matter is this: if it is really a hallucination, and Bioware intended it to be like that; it feels tacked on at the last minute, not something that was planned from the beginning.

These are important points----quoting, so that they don't get lost. 

This - we have to remember to keep perspective.

[adamtheclark]

Im hoping for the indoctrination theory. Shepard has been indoctrinated by harbinger and the Catalyst is actually harbinger speaking to Shepard. The final decisions that were just a massive disappointment would relate to the "real" ending somehow. Dont know if i trust Bioware to write something decent at this point however.

[Golferguy758]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Sorry, but you folks gotta see this:

http://i.imgur.com/KbrMI.jpg

EDIT: Hyperlinked now, for your convenience.

Not working for me

[TamiBx]

lookingglassmind wrote...

This is a shot wow napkinz just sent me over PM.

This is the shot of the two trees we were talking about that seem so out of place in a battlefield, and closely resemble trees seen in the opening scene on Earth, with the kid.

http://gyazo.com/fa1...4d414d593b247dc

Another thing about this scene: I couldn't use my biotic powers and that annoyed me as hell. Why wouldn't s/he be able to use it? 

[krystalevenstar]

Something else glaringly obvious that I don't believe has been addressed yet is, where is the final scene supposed to be taking place? Where on the Citadel are these two giant platforms with handles to control the reapers and a giant thing to destroy to kill them. We can see The Crucible above us, so we're on the tip of that antenna portion of The Citadel, but we've never seen this area before and why wouldn't any of the other alien races have noticed this giant room outside that pillar thing?

[Evindell]

John Never Dies wrote...

Evindell wrote...

For those thinking indoctrination (and the timeline that goes along with it), I would like to draw attention to the ANN report on Rana Thanoptis. She apparantly goes crazy and kills top level asari, after complaining about hearing voices. Obviously, she's been indoctrinated since ME 1, yet didn't break until ME 3.

Of course you have to let her live. My paragon (canon) Shepard did. I can't remember the exact message, but I was surprised when I read it. It's mentioned on the Mass Effect wiki: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Rana_Thanoptis

Maybe that's why they meet up so much? Shep and Rana.

I was just trying to point out--because people are trying to decide when exactly Shepard could have been indoctrinated--that Rana was, and she appeared quite normal when you encountered her in Mass Effect 2.

Also, what I meant by "of course you have to let her live", was that you don't get the news report if she's dead. Obviously.

[Illusive]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Sorry, but you folks gotta see this:

http://i.imgur.com/KbrMI.jpg

EDIT: Hyperlinked now, for your convenience.

"I should go" option would basically save ME3 ending.

[oh_saki]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Sorry, but you folks gotta see this:

http://i.imgur.com/KbrMI.jpg

EDIT: Hyperlinked now, for your convenience.

Hahaha! That's pretty good!

[Golferguy758]

Auresta wrote...

WvStolzing wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...

The hallucination theory is completely plausible, although I feel that it is unlikely.

The one rule of such major plot twists is that there has to be a clear narrative prepping throughout the game. You've to look for something that is completely inexplicable; something that can only be explained with the hallucination. I do not feel the foreshadowing cited as examples throughout this thread are convincing enough -- simply because I can refute every most of them easily with a conventional knowledge.

The youtube video does not help your cause; it is beyond nitpicking. For example; You do not see your UI because your UI is linked to Shep's suit (you don't see your UI when Shep's in his casual gear). Shep's suit was destroyed when he took the reaper laser. Your screen looks blurry at the edges because Shep just took a direct laser hit to the face. The reason why Illusive man looks like saren is because he chose to implant reaper tech into himself (explained via video log in the Cerebus assault); he was basically being huskified.

Don't get me wrong -- I want to believe that this is it, that Bioware is about pull the world's greatest video game stunt. But after viewing the 'evidence' again for myself, I can't help but doubt.

The other matter is this: if it is really a hallucination, and Bioware intended it to be like that; it feels tacked on at the last minute, not something that was planned from the beginning.

These are important points----quoting, so that they don't get lost. 

This - we have to remember to keep perspective.

Something completely inexplicable? How about Shepard going against everythign he has been fighting for for the past  games. i.e the freedom for organics and synthetics to forge their own destiny and not lay down and accept what is given to them through an illusionof choice.

but I do appreciate the counterpoints, nonetheless.

[Mr. Mistake]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Sorry, but you folks gotta see this:

http://i.imgur.com/KbrMI.jpg

EDIT: Hyperlinked now, for your convenience.

Not working for me

Forgive me, I am a Newbie here.

http://i.imgur.com/KbrMI.jpg?

[Evindell]

oh_saki wrote...

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Sorry, but you folks gotta see this:

http://i.imgur.com/KbrMI.jpg

EDIT: Hyperlinked now, for your convenience.

Hahaha! That's pretty good!

The link doesn't work for me

[Golferguy758]

TamiBx wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

This is a shot wow napkinz just sent me over PM.

This is the shot of the two trees we were talking about that seem so out of place in a battlefield, and closely resemble trees seen in the opening scene on Earth, with the kid.

http://gyazo.com/fa1...4d414d593b247dc

Another thing about this scene: I couldn't use my biotic powers and that annoyed me as hell. Why wouldn't s/he be able to use it? 

Eh, that's explained by the fact that I doubt Shepard can focus enough to call up her biotics after she just got nearly toastified by Harbinger

[carilynn46]

eclipso621 wrote...

If shep was indoctrinated the whole time wouldn't the protean VI.. Spelt wrong I'm sure.... Be able to tell. He knew kai leng was

 

In the thessia mission,liara says that the beacon must think she is prothean due to her connections with the varies beacons so maybe that for shadowed it or at the time shepard wasn't fully indoctrinated or it was switched off. Just like when anderson knocks him/her out of it when she/he is talking to the kid in the vent or who knows maybe he was talking about shepard and if you take Javik with you on the mission it makes more sense seeing as how he gives the VI permission to help shepard.

i hope that makes some sort of sense XD

[Miss Vader]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Sorry, but you folks gotta see this:

http://i.imgur.com/KbrMI.jpg

EDIT: Hyperlinked now, for your convenience.

Not working for me

Forgive me, I am a Newbie here.

http://i.imgur.com/KbrMI.jpg?

haha- wow did I just smile for the first time in days?

[Golferguy758]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Sorry, but you folks gotta see this:

http://i.imgur.com/KbrMI.jpg

EDIT: Hyperlinked now, for your convenience.

Not working for me

Forgive me, I am a Newbie here.

http://i.imgur.com/KbrMI.jpg?

To quote Shepard: "I'll take it!"

[HunterKYA]

oh_saki wrote...

HunterKYA wrote...

The more I think about it, Shepard hallucinating seems increasingly plausible. Why else, if you have enough war assets, save Anderson, and choose the Destroy ending, would we see a body taking a breath in a pile of rubble? If Shepard had really been on the Citadel, there would've been no question about his/her death, and it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to accept that he/she died with that ending.

Harbinger had infiltrated Shepard's mind while the group was running towards the Conduit. Believing Shepard was on the verge of death, the AI took his/her consciousness to the Citadel, and used figures that Shepard could identify with, in Anderson and the Illusive Man. By striking down the Illusive Man, Shepard proved him/herself worthy to choose the fate of the galaxy. Once the choices of Control, Synthesis, and Destroy were presented to Shepard, he/she was faced with an insurmountably difficult decision. The AI warned him/her of the Destroy option, because of the synthetic devices implanted into Shepard by Cerberus, that he/she would die and likely kill all synthetic life (including EDI and the Geth), but there are subtle indicators with the AI's voice that strongly emphasizes not making this choice. However, after making the choice to Destroy, the influence of the AI, and in turn, the Reapers, has been severed permanently from Shepard's mind, allowing him/her to wake up in a pile of rubble back on Earth.

In my opinion, that's the only explanation as to why the Destroy option where the player sees the body (presumably Shepard) taking a breath at the end. Might not be well thought out, but it's what I've begun to believe inside of the last day.

Actually, although the kid says 'even you're part synthetic', when he describes the destruction choice, he never directly says that Shepard will die, unlike the other choices. I remember the first time I played, I chose synthesis, fully knowing that I would die but fully believing it was for the good of everybody. Just as the credits started to roll I started to feel gutted and sad, not just by the horrible ending, but that my Shepard had died, so I reloaded and played it again, listened to the choices, and out of all of them, destruction was the only one that sounded like Shep would be able to come out alive.

Turns out, it is!

When I talked about the synthetic aspect of the Destroy option, I meant to say " would probably die." not "would die."

The whole thing about how the AI created synthetics to destroy organics, so organics wouldn't be destroyed by the synthetics they created, feels a bit off the more you think about it.  Maybe it could've been the AI's attempt to appeal to a renegade Shepard,  that there was a purpose for the cycles of extinction, and since the AI's solution no longer worked, it needed a new consciousness to take its place for future cycles.

What's still perplexing is why the relays had to be destroyed.  Mass relays had been the prime source of transportation and trade across the galaxy for tens of millions of years, the galaxy had grown to depend on them for everything.  By destroying them, it effectively hinders all of the rebuilding efforts across the galaxy, dooming many of the colonies many of the species had, due to lack of supplies.  It would make the surviving species reliant on FTL travel for the foreseeable future, until a more efficient fuel source was found or something similar to the relays was developed, which could take centuries from where it stands at the end of ME3.

Modifié par HunterKYA, 12 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[noobcannon]

WvStolzing wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...

The hallucination theory is completely plausible, although I feel that it is unlikely.

The one rule of such major plot twists is that there has to be a clear narrative prepping throughout the game. You've to look for something that is completely inexplicable; something that can only be explained with the hallucination. I do not feel the foreshadowing cited as examples throughout this thread are convincing enough -- simply because I can refute every most of them easily with a conventional knowledge.

The youtube video does not help your cause; it is beyond nitpicking. For example; You do not see your UI because your UI is linked to Shep's suit (you don't see your UI when Shep's in his casual gear). Shep's suit was destroyed when he took the reaper laser. Your screen looks blurry at the edges because Shep just took a direct laser hit to the face. The reason why Illusive man looks like saren is because he chose to implant reaper tech into himself (explained via video log in the Cerebus assault); he was basically being huskified.

Don't get me wrong -- I want to believe that this is it, that Bioware is about pull the world's greatest video game stunt. But after viewing the 'evidence' again for myself, I can't help but doubt.

The other matter is this: if it is really a hallucination, and Bioware intended it to be like that; it feels tacked on at the last minute, not something that was planned from the beginning.

These are important points----quoting, so that they don't get lost. 

still doesn't explain shepard surviving under the rubble. until that gets addressed i am 100% convinced we've all been indoctrinated by BW and will get an amazing ending released via dlc.

[Icinix]

Also - if you turn around and walk to the other end of the platfrom before GodBaby / StarChild / Casper - there is a funny hole in the ground where textures spaz out and clipping occurs - you may argue its a bug - but I call HALLUCINATION! Its the same thing as in ME2 after Shep licks thane.

Modifié par Icinix, 12 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[John Never Dies]

Has it been brought up that this is not found in the script? If you are planning a ending, for in this case indoctrination. Would you not want to know this as the people writing and designing the final section of the games are going to need to know whats up?

Modifié par John Never Dies, 12 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[Golferguy758]

I did always wonder why Anderson didn't seem to care or notice that there was a kid nearby especially since he had one of his own, I believe. (Reference to the start)

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

It's plausible, but if this is what they were going for it's pretty well obfuscated, don't you think?  Like, Neon Genesis Evangelion: The Movie obscure.  Alice in Wonderland as allegory of mathematical equations obscure.

Are we going to wake up Monday morning thinking we were just too stupid to figure this out without pooling the collective brainpower of the BSN and that the rest of the gamer community has been laughing at us behind our backs?

[lookingglassmind]

Hey, Mr. Mistake! Glad to see you joining the discussion!