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[AnuzaGray]

Don't feed the trolls.

[killnoob]

AnuzaGray wrote...

Nice theory, pity it has even less evidence than IDT until the DLC comes out.

Which part of the game is Shepard shown to be indoctrinated?
I must've missed it.

If it was intentional, why isn't it shown clearly, like everything happened in all past ME games?

[balance5050]

killnoob-
"How about, lets not and just accept the game's ending is gimped and get Bioware to write a new ending without catalyst?"

HAHAHA! now you're grasping at straws! LOL! Not going to happen buddy.

[Fhaarkas]

killnoob wrote...

How about, lets not and just accept the game's ending is gimped and get Bioware to write a new ending without catalyst?

That's a nice dream.

[Lyria]

killnoob wrote...

protognosis wrote...


They're trolls?
Trolls, um, let's see, acording to the 3rd edition Monster Manual Trolls regenerate unless they take fire damage....so IT trolls will continue until Bioware confirms IT and they are burned by it. 

Everyone of you IT believers are missing the point completely.

If Bioware confirms the IDT theory, it wouldn't be their story.

it would be something that YOU GUYS have come up.

It was never their intention for the IDT - if it is they would've wrote it in a more obvious manner and includes a satisfactory ending after Shepard wakes up.

But they didnt.

Actually if they had to explain it we wouldn't have our fun messing with people like you.

It would be their story your inability to follow logic is starting to annoy us.  Let me explain since you have to have everything spelled out for you.  Our evidence comes from the game, stuff that is in the game comes from Bioware, thus if IT is true then that means IT was planned as the evidence comes from the game.

And why be so obvious about it?  Thats what the fun of putting together clues comes in.

And you know that Shepard does wake up in the destroy ending.  Sorry Spoiler.
So since the destory ending has Shepard waking up....that kinda invalidates (to use your word) your arguments as Shepard can't wake up if Bioware didn't plan it.

Now gtfo.

[killnoob]

AnuzaGray wrote...

Don't feed the trolls.

Dont worry I wont.

[Lyria]

killnoob wrote...

AnuzaGray wrote...

Nice theory, pity it has even less evidence than IDT until the DLC comes out.

Which part of the game is Shepard shown to be indoctrinated?
I must've missed it.

If it was intentional, why isn't it shown clearly, like everything happened in all past ME games?

What part?  THE ENTIRE GAME!?!?!

[killnoob]

protognosis wrote...

killnoob wrote...

protognosis wrote...


They're trolls?
Trolls, um, let's see, acording to the 3rd edition Monster Manual Trolls regenerate unless they take fire damage....so IT trolls will continue until Bioware confirms IT and they are burned by it. 

Everyone of you IT believers are missing the point completely.

If Bioware confirms the IDT theory, it wouldn't be their story.

it would be something that YOU GUYS have come up.

It was never their intention for the IDT - if it is they would've wrote it in a more obvious manner and includes a satisfactory ending after Shepard wakes up.

But they didnt.

Actually if they had to explain it we wouldn't have our fun messing with people like you.

It would be their story your inability to follow logic is starting to annoy us.  Let me explain since you have to have everything spelled out for you.  Our evidence comes from the game, stuff that is in the game comes from Bioware, thus if IT is true then that means IT was planned as the evidence comes from the game.

And why be so obvious about it?  Thats what the fun of putting together clues comes in.

And you know that Shepard does wake up in the destroy ending.  Sorry Spoiler.
So since the destory ending has Shepard waking up....that kinda invalidates (to use your word) your arguments as Shepard can't wake up if Bioware didn't plan it.

Now gtfo.

Sorry last time I checked I was playing Mass effect 3 not frigging Ispy.

You gtfo.

[AnuzaGray]

Proto, stop feeding the troll. He's getting kinda pudgy.

[Lyria]

balance5050 wrote...


killnoob-
"How about, lets not and just accept the game's ending is gimped and get Bioware to write a new ending without catalyst?"

HAHAHA! now you're grasping at straws emergency induction ports! LOL! Not going to happen buddy.

There fixed it for you. 

[Arian Dynas]

 


I will prove that IT can work within the constraints of a cinematic. Watch.

Shepard Breath Scene, then, new custscene begins.

If you chose Control with low EMS or chose Destroy with any EMS, go to 1.
If you chose Control with high EMS, go to 2
If you Chose Synthesis, go to 3.

1 - Left For Dead

[Star Child appears before Shepard, looking down at him and shaking his head]

SC: Shepard, you disappoint me. It seems there is little point in devoting any further effort to you.

[SC changes into a hologram of Harbinger]

HARBINGER: RELEASING CONTROL.

[Hologram disappears, Harbinger leaving Shepard to die, moves either to cutscene 4 if your EMS was low enough that you only had one option or chose Control or 5 if it was over 2000 and you chose Destroy.]
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2 -  A Pawn in a Larger Game

[Star Child appears before Shepard, looking down at him. and grinning wickedly before disappearing]

[Shepard begins to crawl out from the rubble, attracting the attention of Garrus and Liara whom are running a search and rescue op to find Shepard.]

LIARA: Shepard!

[Shepard turns, looking none the worse for wear, much the same as we last saw him, only he seems to be standing taller and straighter now.]

SHEPARD: Liara, Garrus! What are you two doing down here?

GARRUS: Looking for you, you look rough. Are you holding up alright?

HARBINGER [whispering only to Shepard]: KILL THEM, THEY ARE A THREAT.

SHEPARD[Reaching down to pick up a pistol from the ground, it's the same Carnifex from his hallucination]: Yeah... I'm fine.

GARRUS: Good, we'll get an evac team in as soon as possible then.

SHEPARD: You do that.

LIARA: Shepard... are you alright?

SHEPARD: Yeah, fine, just a bit messed up, the fight took alot out of me.

GARRUS[turning his back to Shepard Liara standing beside him]: Well the shuttle should be coming in any moment now, then we'll get you back to HQ and brief you on the suitation.

SHEPARD [Leveling his pistol to the back of Garrus' head, bringing to mind imagery of Saren and Nihlius]: Sounds good.

[Cut to black, pistol shots, Liara screams and there's the sound of two bodies hitting the ground.]

ALLIANCE MARINE [on radio]: ...oing on? Repeat, we need a sitrep. What's going on down there?

SHEPARD [picking up the radio]: Situation under control soldier.

AM: Commander Shepard, it's good to hear you, what happened sir?

SHEPARD[pretending to hold back tears]: Reaper attack, it's dealt with but... they got two of my team, Garrus and Liara.

AM [audibly distressed]: I'm sorry to hear that sir. We'll see to it they get proper burials once we can secure the LZ.

SHEPARD: Thank you, soldier.

[Audio fades to sad music, zoom out to see shuttle landing, Shepard carrying Liara's body to it, a marine stepping out and talking to him/her. Cut to Reaper ground troops approaching the LZ rapidly, Shepard loads on with Liara's body, several of the marines climb out to hold off the enemy so Shepard can escape. Camera cuts to Shepard watching the squad getting wiped out, then he turns to the player, looks out the screen and smiles wickedly as his eyes flash yellow. Cue credits.]
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3 - Self Sacrifice

[Star Child appears before Shepard's body, covered in rubble, looks slightly... off. Star Child grins, eyes flash yellow and he disappears]

[Shepard crawls from the rubble, his synthetics EXTREMELY noticeable now, wires running across his skin, ect, in fact, he looks rather like the hybrids from the Synthesis ending]

[Cut to a sniper scope lining up on Shepard's head, cut and spin 180 to reveal Garrus is the one lining up the shot, he pulls his eye back from the scope in shock, his mandibles (or, whatever the hell you call those things on the sides of his cheeks) click in suprise. He throws his head foreward, looking into the scope again, lining up Shepard again, or so we think, but instead nailing a Husk that was about to throw itself at his back, Shepard turns to Garrus' post and looks suprised.]

GARRUS: Still needing me to get you out of trouble, eh Shepard?

SHEPARD[moaning in pain and clutching his temples]: G-Garrus...

GARRUS: What did they do to you Shepard?

SHEPARD: I d-don't know.... AUGH! G-GO! GET AWAY FROM ME!

[Shepard swings at Garrus, who doges the blow. Several other people climb up over a hill to see the scene before them, Liara, Vega, and several Alliance Marines backing them.]

LIARA: Garrus what's goin... Goddess...

[Shepard turns to face Liara, looking at her, his face contorted with pain.]

SHEPARD: Liara! Get out of here, get everyone out of here! They're trying to HAAAAAAAAAA!

[Shepard collapses with a scream, his body convulsing like electricity is being jolted through it.]

VEGA: Carumba... what's happening to him? What did those sons of ****es do to him?

GARRUS: Get back! He's indoctrinated. We saw the same thing with Saren.

[Shepard reaches out, clawing the ground with one hand, still trying to fight off Reaper influence one way or another, still trying to resist, but being slowly broken down, Garrus approaches with his pistol to finish the commander off, intending to end his suffering with a single bullet, a mercy kill.]

GARRUS[visibly upset]: I'm sorry commander... that it.. had to end this way.

[If your EMS was just enough to qualify for Synthesis, but only the minimum, then Garrus just shoots Shepard through the head, bang, cut to black and we see them leaving in the shuttles, sans crater and heroic death scene.]

[A large impact shakes the ground and several husks, ravagers, mauraders and cannibals climb up over the hill as everyone dives for cover. Shepard still claws the ground and sees an abandoned assault rifle lying near him.]

[The cannibals kill several of the marines, whom are spun by the impact of the bullets, the squad still desperately tries to fight off the enemy, Shepard suddenly stands up behind where Garrus, Vega and Liara are taking cover, clutching an assult rifle in his hands, standing tall now.]

GARRUS: Commander!

LIARA: Shepard!

SHEPARD[running into the enemy horde, firing the rifle the whole way]: Get out of here! I'll hold them off

LIARA: We're not leaving you commander!

SHEPARD [ducking as a grenade explodes near him]: Just go! I'm dead already!

VEGA: The hell you are Loco!

SHEPARD: Get out of here! That's an order!

[Shepard stands up and charges into the horde firing the whole way, bullets richocheting off what's left of his armor, some striking into his flesh, blood flies, shepard grabs a bandolier of grenades off the ground and pulls the pin off one, diving into  a mass of Brutes, Banshees, Marauders ect. There's a huge explosion, cut to a shuttle taking off, Vega and Liara watch from inside, Garrus just looks distraught, sad piano music plays. Then go to cutscene 7.]
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4 - Death of a Soldier 

[Shepard lies there in the rubble, moaning softly in pain, he hears shouts in the distance. "Shepard! Shepard!" but he can't identify the source. Sad piano music plays, a soft white light slowly fills the screen. fade back in to Liara, Garrus, Vega, EDI, perhaps even Javik finding Shepard's body, everyone but Javik is visibly upset, Javik merely kneels and touches Shepard's body. No dialogue. Camera pans up to see the sunrise, showing a badly damaged Crucible (to be explored more in a later sequel) in orbit, Reaper bodies slowly falling to Earth. Fade to black, go to cutscene 7]
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5 - Lost and Found

[Camera pans out from Shepard's body mostly covered in rubble and recognizable only from the dogtags sticking out and the charred armor.]

HACKETT [on radio]: ..pard, has anyone caught sight of Shepard? 

[squadmates looking for you, Garrus and and Liara] GARRUS: No sign, the approach got totaled after Harbinger's bombardment.

LIARA [whispered to herself]: Not again Shepard, please tell me, not again...

[Garrus turns and lays a hand on her shoulder, giving an encouraging nod. Go to cutscene 6 if you saw the "Shepard Alive" video, or go to cutscene 8 if you did not.]
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6 - Standing Triumphant

[Shepard manages to shift the rubble, just barely, Garrus and Liara turn to see Shepard pull just enough of himself from the rubble to weakly prop himself up. Liara turns and her face brightens, Garrus' eyebrows raise in shock, then he runs over to start helping you out, radioing to Hackett]

GARRUS: Alliance Command!, We have Shepard, repeat, we have Shepard!

HACKETT: Thank God. Garrus, we're sending a medical and extraction team, hold your ground until they get there. 

[the rest of your squad, any and all living members comment via radio, they're all running search and rescue teams of their own.]

VEGA[on radio]: Hey Loco, good to hear from ya, pendejo sons of ****es couldn't manage to kill you yet huh?

JAVIK[also on radio]: Commander, it is good to hear you are alive. It would be unfortunate to lose an ally now.

EDI [also on radio]: Commander Shepard, it is good to see you are alive. Jeff hasn't been at his best since you disappeared. He apologizes for crashing the Normandy earlier.

[Shepard makes a face similar to the one he made about EDI's joke concerning oxygen levels and her absorption in a task.]

EDI: That is a joke.

[A few shots come zipping by, fired by a cannibal, Garrus turns and pops the cannibal through the head, before taking cover, Liara helps prop shepard up against a chunk of rubble dispensing medi-gel. Then a conversation begins, Shepard may choose to investigate several options, including "What happened?" "Where's Harbinger?" "What happened to the Crucible?" and then you can end the conversation by commenting either that you are glad that they found you rather than some husk, or that you're pissed about the state of things.

Answers to each investigate go as follows;

"What happened?"

SHEPARD [Weakly]: What's the suituation?

GARRUS [taking cover from more Cannibal fire]: It's been two days since the seige started, Hammer team got wiped out, we assumed you were dead.

SHEPARD [sarcastically] : Well that's comforting.

[Garrus chuckles]

LIARA: After Hammer was destroyed, we nearly gave up, 

GARRUS [interrupting, still in cover, stands up to fire a few shots from his sniper rifle, blasts a Husk through the head]: Ha! [Satisfied smirk, nod.]  We did.

SHEPARD: What changed?

GARRUS: Well, yesterday, the Reapers started acting strange, their ground forces were acting uncoordinated and almost... feral. More so than usual I mean. It was almost like they were focusing on something, We figured that something was you.

SHEPARD [sudden moan of pain, clutches his temples]: Agh... mm... I think you might be right.

"Where's Harbinger?"

SHEPARD: So, what happened to Harbinger? Last I saw him was on the approach.

GARRUS: Harbinger's been a non issue the past two days. We're lucky, it gave us some time to recover.

LIARA: It's as though he's been distracted, focusing on something. Ignoring everything else.

GARRUS: We figured that something was you.

"What happened to the Crucible?"

SHEPARD: What about the Crucible? Last thing I can remember, it wasn't firing.

GARRUS [turns, and looks at Shepard, suprised.]: You heard wrong, The Crucible never even showed up, 

SHEPARD [look of confusion]: What?

LIARA: The Crucible arrived this morning, it was still in dry dock the whole time.

[Camera pans to the Crucible device, hanging in high orbit above the planet, a large chunk visibly damaged.]

GARRUS:They took one look at the thing and half the fleet just left. Withdrew. Like they knew something would happen. One of them, Harbinger I think, got a parting shot as they were pulling out through the Charon Relay, huge damage to the thing. They're working on repairs now.

SHEPARD: Damn it!

GARRUS [stands, sights a target and nails a Marauder though the eye]: We're holding our own though, the lull for the past two days has been giving us time to recover. We still have a chance.

SHEPARD: "You have hope, more than you know"

LIARA [A look of concern for Shepard]: What? 

SHEPARD: Nothing.

"I'm glad you found me." [PARAGON]

SHEPARD: I'm glad it's you two who found me, getting turned into a husk wasn't what I was really planning for my retirement.

[Garrus chuckles, Liara smiles]

"Sons of ****es." [RENEGADE]

SHEPARD: Damn it, don't they ever give up?

GARRUS: Would you?

SHEPARD [watches an Alliance squad being assaulted by a number of Husks in the distance.]: No.

[Both Paragon and Renegade options lead to the same scene, a horde of Reaper ground forces start to come up the hill, Garrus blasts the heads off a few as they approach, Shepard tries to stand up, Liara forces him/her to sit down, turns and blasts the Reapers with a Singularity. After a moment or two of watching the combat, a shuttle, flanked by two gunships comes in close, the gunships blasting away at the encroaching ground forces before the shuttle lands, two EMTs climb out and ask where Shepard is, Liara points out his location and they load him into the shuttle, one distributing more medi-gel as he's loaded on, Garrus and Liara climbing in after.

EMT: Sir, if we try to take off now we'll be wide open, we need something to draw their fire. 

[Go to cutscene 9 if the player saw the breath scene and managed to sit up enough to get their attention, or go to cutscene 8 if they did not.]
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7 - Buried With Honors

[If Shepard died at any point here, then the scene cuts to here, Shepard's memorial service Staning in the ruins of London, in front of the bombed out Big Ben, rubble mostly cleared away for the ceremony. Admiral Hackett, still looking worse for wear, scar still slashing across his face, it has yet to heal, standing in front of a podium, Anderson to his left, Vega, Kaiden (if he's alive) Cortez (if he's alive) Ashley (If she's alive) those two soldiers guarding the war room, and Traynor (if she's alive) standing to his right, a casket with the N7 iconography in front of him. Everyone is visibly upset.]

[Sad piano music plays, no dialogue, Hackett says something, Vega, Vermire Survivor, Chakwas, everyone takes a turn at the podium, nothing is heard but the music, Liara is sitting in the crowd, crying, Garrus and Tali (if she lived) next to her, Javik is nowhere to be found, his seat, empty, the Prothean has disappeared. Grunt (if he survived) roars into the distance, Wrex and a horde of Krogan behind them. Joker just sits, staring distraught at the casket, before turning and sobbing into EDI's shoulder, his humor having abandoned him. EDI herself gently holds him, rubbing his back, careful not to cause any damage.The Geth (if they weren't wiped out of course), appear, all seeming out of place. The Quarians wail and tear at their suits, The Rachni queen watches through the eyes of the Asari from the second game, the Turian military, led by Primarch Victus give a 21 gun salute as Vega, VS, and all the servicemen from the Normandy load the casket into the grave. Camera tilts down to look into the grave, dirt is slowly shoveled on, covering the N7 symbol as the screen slowly fades to black. Go to cutscene 10.]
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8 - Snatched From the Jaws of Victory

[This cutscene plays out identically to 6 with a few minor differences, Shepard does not manage to shift the rubble, only to make noise, forcing Liara and Garrus to dig him out.
They prop him up, allowing the same conversation as before . When the shuttles arrive, the cutscene below takes place]

[Reaper forces slowly make their way up the hill, bullets richoceting off the armor of the shuttles, Garrus and Liara climb off the shuttle to buy them time, several Alliance Marines joining them, a cutscene follows, 
Garrus pops off a few shots, killing some Husks, Liara warps a Banshee's barrier, causing her to flinch.]

SHEPARD: Garrus, what the hell are you doing?

GARRUS[banging his fist against the side of the door, mimicking the soldier doing the same to a shuttle at the beginning of the game.]: Buying you time commander.

SHEPARD: Get back on here! That's an order!

GARRUS: Sorry Shepard, going to have to refuse that order. We're getting you out of here alive, one way or another.

[Shepard tries to gather the strength to tell them not to throw their lives away, but we only get to watch helplessly as Garrus' position is overrun by Husks, Liara is killed by a blast from a Ravager, and one of the two gunships escorting you gets shot down. Go to cutscene 9.]
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9 - A Hero's Welcome

[If you did NOT see cutscene 8, a Reaper collumn starts making their way in, but a number of ships from the fleet strafe them and the shuttle takes off with Shepard, Liara and Garrus on board.]

[Shepard is taken to an Alliance Field hospital, Anderson is there to greet them off the shuttle. If Liara and Garrus died, then he offers his condolences, especially if Liara was a LI, if not then the scene plays out like this;]

[Shuttle and Gunship/s touch down at a field hospital. Anderson walks up the the landing pad as Shepard is rushed out on a gurney. He motions for the EMTs to stop for a moment]

ANDERSON: You look good son.

SHEPARD [smiles weakly]: Liar.

ANDERSON [smiles back.]: Sometimes a little self-delusion is good for you. It's damn good to see you alive.

SHEPARD: You too sir, you helped alot.

ANDERSON [watches Shepard get hauled away by the EMTs]: I did?

[Garrus and Liara come up and greet Anderson as you're hauled away, no dialogue as you watch, an EMT looks down at you, you look through Shepard's eyes and watch as a breath mask is fitted over your mouth and nose, the EMT commenting about how this should help you sleep comfortably. You begin to black out.]

[Shepard begins to wake up, your vision swimming into focus, pan out to Shepard lying clean and bandaged in bed, it looks like Huerta Memorial. s/he's surrounded by flowers, gifts, a few "Get well Shepard" cards and you can see several of your squad talking to the doctors on the other side of the glass, you can't move at this point, but you can look around the room and read the cards/ look at the flowers, Shepard comments about each, some items appear based off of whom you've helped throughout the game, last two games, ect. Things like packages of display replicas of your N7 armor from Conrad Verner if he's alive, with his usual hero worship notes, a joke book from EDI and Joker, boxes of chocolates and flowers from Kaiden, a book of Tennyson poems from Ash, model shuttle from Cortez, a Haiku from Kasumi, stuffed Cannibal head from Grunt, a copy of Fornax, along with a note from Aria, things of that nature. After you've interacted with everything you can , your LI notices Shepard's awake, in this case, let's assume Ash.]

ASHLEY[pushes the doctor aside and opens the door, looks over, and smiles.]: Hey Skipper.

SHEPARD: Ash! 

ASHLEY [smiles]: It's good to see you awake. [sits down on a bench next to your bed.]

SHEPARD [the realization of where he is setting in]: What's going on? Didn't something happen to the Citadel? Where's the Reapers?

ASHLEY: Woah, slow down Commander. It's ok, the front is lighyears away. For now.

SHEPARD: For now?

ASHLEY [sighs, not wanting to talk about the subject when you've just woken up from your coma.]: We've pushed the Reapers off of Earth. But we haven't won the war yet. But we have a chance now. Harbinger is still out there, but now we've got time to rebuild. And at least we've got you around to help.

SHEPARD [lies back, mulling it over.]: I'm just... so tired...

ASHLEY [smiles, leans over, kisses Shepard and gently pushes him back into his pillows]: "Rest now, brave soldier."

SHEPARD [smiles]: The soldier in question is dying in that poem you know.

ASHLEY [smiles]: You ass, it's the thought that counts.

[Fade to black. Go to cutscene 10]
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10 - Pre-Credits

[Text crawl, changes based off of descisions, lets assume you saved the Krogan, made peace between Geth and Quarians]

In the year 2187 AD, soldiers of the Earth Systems Alliance fought a desperate war against an overwhelming enemy. Earth was left to burn as these machines, called Reapers by the galaxy at large spread like a cancer across the Milky Way. One soldier faced them. Brokering peace between forces considered unreconcileable,he forged a navy unlike any seen before and returned to take back his home. The war was not without it's sacrifices and his story has ended. Though the tide may have turned, with the enemy either dead or in retreat, fleeing back into Dark Space to lick their wounds, they remain implacable, patient and not without resources.

The war is not over.

[Stars appear as text fades, camera pans 180 degrees to face Harbinger, who lets out a metallic scream  as his eyes flash.] 

[If Shepard lived, then he says the following:]

HARBINGER: SHEPARD. YOU HAVE MERELY DELAYED THE INEVITABLE. WE SHALL RETURN, AND YOU SHALL NOT STOP US. YOUR CONTINUED EXISTENCE IS INMAETERIAL, YOU ARE NOT SUITED FOR ASCENSION.WE WILL FIND ANOTHER.

[If Shepard died, then Harbinger says this line instead:]

HARBINGER: WE HAVE BEEN STOPPED FOR NOW. YOU HAVE MERELY DELAYED THE INEVITABLE. WE SHALL RETURN, AND YOU SHALL BE DESTROYED. WE WILL FIND ANOTHER.

[ Harbinger leads the remainder of the Reaper Fleet into dark space to lick their wounds. Cue credits]
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11 - Post Credits

[The Child and the Stargazer appear again, still standing as they were before.]

CHILD: That was a good story.

STARGAZER: I'm glad you liked it. I'm very fond of it too.

CHILD: So... what happened after?

STARGAZER [laugh]: That's another story my sweet, and one not related to The Shepard.

CHILD: Well.. what happened to him? And his friends?

STARGAZER: Well...

[cut to text crawl ala Throne of Bhaal, blue background, ME1 theme playing. Text crawl next to each character's picture, including all squad mates, Wrex, Aria, Joker/EDI, Grissom Academy, Earth, Cerberus, TIM ect.]

MESSAGE FROM EA:

Thank you for enjoying Mass Effect 3. While Shepard's journey may be over, there are far more many adventures to be found in the Milky Way!

Adventures you can take part in, but, until then, that is, as they say, another story.

There, a serviceable ending, incorporating IT, and entirely in cutscenes. Point made. 

Voila, heavily edited from it's earlier draft, but here is my proof of concept, the ending CAN be made with only cutscenes.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 09 avril 2012 - 06:32 .

[killnoob]

protognosis wrote...

killnoob wrote...

AnuzaGray wrote...

Nice theory, pity it has even less evidence than IDT until the DLC comes out.

Which part of the game is Shepard shown to be indoctrinated?
I must've missed it.

If it was intentional, why isn't it shown clearly, like everything happened in all past ME games?

What part?  THE ENTIRE GAME!?!?!

Exactly my point.

At which point is Shepard shown indoctrinated?

If its' not shown, then it has no place in a game like ME3.

Now if we're talking about Limbo, it would make sense.

[Lyria]

AnuzaGray wrote...

Proto, stop feeding the troll. He's getting kinda pudgy.

I'm hoping we will explode it with my logic bombs.  

Modifié par protognosis, 07 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[Emperor_Ike]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So anyone want to see a piece of fanfic to distract you from this debacle for 5 minutes? lol

Where's the carpet, Smee? Give the lady the carpet!
Right away, Cap'n!  *stomps on the deck, carpet rolls down the stairs*

[AnuzaGray]

It's impervious to logic!

We have to flip it over and attack the weak spot for bonus damage!

[Fhaarkas]

killnoob wrote...

Sorry last time I checked I was playing Mass effect 3 not frigging Ispy.

You gtfo.

I have a game to suggest you - Fable. I heard it's quite nice. You can walk around with fairies showing you the way and there's multiple endings too.

[Lyria]

killnoob wrote...

protognosis wrote...

killnoob wrote...

AnuzaGray wrote...

Nice theory, pity it has even less evidence than IDT until the DLC comes out.

Which part of the game is Shepard shown to be indoctrinated?
I must've missed it.

If it was intentional, why isn't it shown clearly, like everything happened in all past ME games?

What part?  THE ENTIRE GAME!?!?!

Exactly my point.

At which point is Shepard shown indoctrinated?

If its' not shown, then it has no place in a game like ME3.

Now if we're talking about Limbo, it would make sense.

So you agree then with my point that Shepard is indoctrinated the entire game?  Glad we've reached a consensus.  
Or did you not get I was pointing out Shepard is indoctrinated the entire game?

[balance5050]

killnoob wrote...

protognosis wrote...

killnoob wrote...

AnuzaGray wrote...

Nice theory, pity it has even less evidence than IDT until the DLC comes out.

Which part of the game is Shepard shown to be indoctrinated?
I must've missed it.

If it was intentional, why isn't it shown clearly, like everything happened in all past ME games?

What part?  THE ENTIRE GAME!?!?!

Exactly my point.

At which point is Shepard shown indoctrinated?

If its' not shown, then it has no place in a game like ME3.

Now if we're talking about Limbo, it would make sense.

I think he likes us guys... Ur so cute killnoob!

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

killnoob wrote...

Which part of the game is Shepard shown to be indoctrinated?
I must've missed it.

If it was intentional, why isn't it shown clearly, like everything happened in all past ME games?

Hé is never shown to be because indoctrination is subtle. It is not a direct mind control until the later stages and even then the subject will deny it and can even break free for short time if he is convinced he is indoctrinated. Remember we are Shepard, if he doesn't know then neither do we.

Answer me this. If Shepard simply woke up after the entiire godchild sequence and we immediately learned it was indoctrination, what would the impact have been? A shrug and then continue most likely. But by keeping it ambiguous bioware spawned all of this attention and will get even more if IT is true.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 07 avril 2012 - 07:16 .

[Lyria]

AnuzaGray wrote...

It's impervious to logic!

We have to flip it over and attack the weak spot for bonus damage!

Oh noes! I've fed it too much now its too fat to flip over we are doomed! Doomed, I say!

We need more 

[balance5050]

protognosis wrote...

AnuzaGray wrote...

Proto, stop feeding the troll. He's getting kinda pudgy.

I'm hoping we will explode with my logic bombs.  

I like the way you think! Stupidity is often overcome by knowledge

[balance5050]

Later fellow I.T. believers.. I'll be back tomorrow!

[killnoob]

protognosis wrote...

killnoob wrote...

protognosis wrote...

killnoob wrote...

AnuzaGray wrote...

Nice theory, pity it has even less evidence than IDT until the DLC comes out.

Which part of the game is Shepard shown to be indoctrinated?
I must've missed it.

If it was intentional, why isn't it shown clearly, like everything happened in all past ME games?

What part?  THE ENTIRE GAME!?!?!

Exactly my point.

At which point is Shepard shown indoctrinated?

If its' not shown, then it has no place in a game like ME3.

Now if we're talking about Limbo, it would make sense.

So you agree then with my point that Shepard is indoctrinated the entire game?  Glad we've reached a consensus.  
Or did you not get I was pointing out Shepard is indoctrinated the entire game?

Which character in the past have you seen trying to fight the reapers when they're indoctrinated?

Saren = works for reapers
TIM = tries to control reapers

The premise of ME3 is gathering allies to build this giant machine to destroy the reapers.

if he was indoctrinated the whole time, or even a small part of it, we would see some doubts and confusions when he's out gathering allies.

Is that what happened? No.

Also, I can use emocon too!

[blooregard]

So would it be at all possible if bioware's unwillingness to confirm or deny the IT proves its true? Or am I getting too far down into it.

[killnoob]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Which part of the game is Shepard shown to be indoctrinated?
I must've missed it.

If it was intentional, why isn't it shown clearly, like everything happened in all past ME games?

Hé is never shown to be because indoctrination is subtle. It is not a direct mind control until the later stages and even then the subject will deny it and can even break free for short time if he is convinced he is indoctrinated. Remember we are Shepard, if he doesn't know then neither do we.

Answer me this. If Shepard simply woke up after the entiire godchild sequence and we immediately learned it was indoctrination, what would the impact have been? A shrug and then continue most likely. But by keeping it ambiguous bioware spawned all of this attention and will get even more if IT is true.

Isn't that the premise of IDT?
Shepard survives the indoctrination and continues fighting the reapers?
And then you insert your own endings?