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[Lyria]

Arian...I'm working on your post...but I'm tired and long post is long. I have it bookmarked and will finish it later today.

Until then,
ego vobis valadico!!!!

[Skillz1986]

" You still have some plotholes in your script. IF you can fix it then I'll agree with you the ending can be fix with simple cinematics."

The thing you do not seem to understand is, nobody actually gives a f**k whether you agree or not, since the curent endings...you are obviously defending has more holes in it than jenna jameson, and you sure as s**t cannot fix them! But that is what this theory does, it provides sense to an ending, lacking sense. and as long as bioware does not come up with a reasonable ide, why we should take the endings at face value, we wil stick wit IT. that's it it. and as for you...either you agree with it and start to see SOME sense, come ip with something AS reasonable as IT..and i will totally be with you on that..or just get the f**k lost. Get a goddamn hobby.

[Arian Dynas]

protognosis wrote...

Arian...I'm working on your post...but I'm tired and long post is long. I have it bookmarked and will finish it later today.

Until then,
ego vobis valadico!!!!

You magnificent bastard.

Quid quid latine dictum sit. Altum videtur.

[Humakt83]

Some of them are anti-IT because they want to take the ending at face value, that's why they argue against IT.

Except majority of them, because they hated the ending at face value but they still can't realize IT is a STRONG possibility which explains the ending very well.

Modifié par Humakt83, 07 avril 2012 - 07:58 .

[Arian Dynas]

Skillz1986 wrote...

" You still have some plotholes in your script. IF you can fix it then I'll agree with you the ending can be fix with simple cinematics."

The thing you do not seem to understand is, nobody actually gives a f**k whether you agree or not, since the curent endings...you are obviously defending has more holes in it than jenna jameson, and you sure as s**t cannot fix them! But that is what this theory does, it provides sense to an ending, lacking sense. and as long as bioware does not come up with a reasonable ide, why we should take the endings at face value, we wil stick wit IT. that's it it. and as for you...either you agree with it and start to see SOME sense, come ip with something AS reasonable as IT..and i will totally be with you on that..or just get the f**k lost. Get a goddamn hobby.

Unfortunately, I think this IS his hobby.

[Ilzairspar]

Ravel1992 wrote...

OMG. I wasnt here for a moment and now there is so many anti-IT people. 
Did they find any new fact to disapprove the theory? No.
Did they hear something new on PAX to disapprove the theory? Again no. Bioware told us what we already knew from Ray Muzyka.
Did Bioware deny the theory? No. They said to wait.

And at the end they said "We want the content to speak for itself, and we'll let it do so". And now content clearly speaking "Shepard is Indoctrinated".

Hold the line.
Ravel out.

I took the answer at Pax to the IT theory as "well....you guys thought of it but we don't want to admit that your explination makes more sense than what we had....and we're still not sure yet if we'll run with it for our new DLC.. even though it makse the most sense"

The reason I'm thinkint it wasn't their original idea as referring to the fan creativity.  

[Lyria]

Skillz1986 wrote...

since the curent endings...you are obviously defending has more holes in it than jenna jameson,

^This is amusing.





It deserves a rim shot.

[Shooter__Andy]

GAH. So much bickering in so little time.

Look, I couldn't read all the stuff that was written here since last night, but to people who try to "disprove" IT by Bioware's PR talk - these statements aren't conclusive enough to begin with and it's not like BW was telling us only truth up until this point. Remember what they said when the multiplayer DLC leaked? They said it was fake. And yet, it's not.

Keep in mind, I personally don't think they're going to include IT as canon, only as a possible interpretation at best, I'm just trying to point out that it's not 100% proof against IT in any way.

[Lyria]

Arian Dynas wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Arian...I'm working on your post...but I'm tired and long post is long. I have it bookmarked and will finish it later today.

Until then,
ego vobis valadico!!!!

You magnificent bastard.

Quid quid latine dictum sit. Altum videtur.

Whatever has been said in latin seems deep?  lolz
I love Latin.  I'm so glad I took 3 years of it.

And I am a magnificent bastard.  Just ask my mother! 

[Lone_Wolf0]

Despite being a silent supporter of the IT, and having lurked this thread for a while, albeit without posting, I can nevertheless respect the opinions of those who disagree with the theory itself. All I saw at PAX was not Bioware debunking the theory, so much as answering the question in a very vague manner that only invites more "speculations", which has been their goal from the start, supposedly. Not that this fact prevents the theory from being viable for the game, nor does it change my wanting it to be the case.
Regardless of that, since people keep posting links to Merizan's twitter, and Killnoob keeps talking about how they explicitly say it's only going to be "a few cinematics", which Casey Hudson has not confirmed, by the way, at least not to my knowledge.
To rebut the lack of proof in that department, and that assertion itself, I suggest you check out Mike Gamble's twitter, where he specifically says it's not just going to be "a few cinematics". And I'd imagine he'd know, what with him being the PRODUCER FOR MASS EFFECT 3'S DLC, which he pointed out at PAX. https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike

@GambleMike so from the press release I'm understanding all the dlc will be is a few cinematics? Thats not what most wanted....
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@GambleMike ok that does relieve some of my concerns. Thank you and the rest of the team for the good community outreach

[Arian Dynas]

protognosis wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Arian...I'm working on your post...but I'm tired and long post is long. I have it bookmarked and will finish it later today.

Until then,
ego vobis valadico!!!!

You magnificent bastard.

Quid quid latine dictum sit. Altum videtur.

Whatever has been said in latin seems deep?  lolz
I love Latin.  I'm so glad I took 3 years of it.

And I am a magnificent bastard.  Just ask my mother! 

A more accurate interpretation would be whatever is said in Latin sounds profound, but eh. Wish that we had more than one latin class, seriously with a campus as big as the university I go to, you'd think they'd have enough space not to have to have it in a highschool 7 miles down the road.

[killnoob]

Arian Dynas wrote...



Ok then chuckles, please do, point these out to me. As I said, leaving the Crucible ambigious is intentional on that count, so if you don't care for abiguity, then don't watch The Matrix sequels.

then you have failed as bioware has.

Crucible is an important plot device. We spent the entire game trying to build it and you think it's okay to leave it to the audience's interpretation?

[Skillz1986]

" Unfortunately, I think this IS his hobby."

Well if this is the case, forgive my rather hars post. you deserve pity you poor creature. i will, officially shed a tear for you. here it comes, watch out :'(

[Vexia2070]

Shep has been fighting reaper Indoctrination from the very beginning of M3. When you first meet the Rackni queen back in M1 she describes them. the effect on the mind. Black-oiliness...which I know my Shep saw in all of her dreams. There is more but you know them.

[Lone_Wolf0]

As an addendum, I would like to point out that no, there is no solid evidence proving the Indoctrination Theory was meant by the developers*. But you can't say there's solid evidence to prove that it isn't, or won't be implemented in the game. Can it be considered unlikely? Sure. Doesn't mean we have to stop believing in it. If you want to consider the whole situation a failure from Bioware, go right ahead, and I respect your opinion.
I hardly think they've succeded in this whole debacle, but I haven't seen enough evidence that TO ME is concrete enough to say the theory is not going to be implemented. And frankly, any questions that would arise from the theory will likely be addressed in said DLC.
EDIT: I was unclear on the fact that I was referring to evidence that the theory was meant by the developers.

Modifié par Lone_Wolf0, 07 avril 2012 - 08:13 .

[Arian Dynas]

killnoob wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...



Ok then chuckles, please do, point these out to me. As I said, leaving the Crucible ambigious is intentional on that count, so if you don't care for abiguity, then don't watch The Matrix sequels.

then you have failed as bioware has.

Crucible is an important plot device. We spent the entire game trying to build it and you think it's okay to leave it to the audience's interpretation?

*coughs and points at a long list*

Inception
Castaway
The Matrix
Planscape Torment
The Sopranos...

Take your pick. I've got more.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 07 avril 2012 - 08:25 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Did Bioware say anything interesting at PAX?

[Rockstarblunt]

The IT still has merit. One thing you CAN'T deny.

Those flashbacks to white when you get hit by Harbinger's beam, and Again when shepard ''dies'' near control panel on the citadel and gets lifted into the air (flash of white) then cinematics, then catalyst scene.

Every time shepard has a DREAM of the little boy throughout the single player campagin what happens? White flash and then the dream.

Also fun fact: your about same walk speed/slow motion as in the dreams, and the supposed indoctrinated ending.

[Lone_Wolf0]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did Bioware say anything interesting at PAX?

If you're into multiplayer, yes. Other than that, there was a very vague and cryptic non-answer to a question about the indoctrination theory.
Also, other plot related answers and a bit of discussion about the ending DLC.

[Legion109]

@Arian Dynas - nice but I would seriously prefer Shepard ending the reapers even if it results in his/her death. If Bioware manages to accomplish something similar to your idea but with the Reapers dieing then I might continue to buy their products. To me it would just be better if the next Mass Effect didn't focus on the Reapers they are Shepards story.

Also am I the only one that would like a scene for control if your EMS was high that shows Reapers turning against each other attacking, with small flashes showing Shepards body slowly burning or cuts spreading across Shep as he/she uses her incredible will to force the reapers to destroy themselves, the final scene of this showing another Nazara class reaper turning against Harbringer and you hear Harbringers metallic scream of rage as it fires upon that reaper at the same time that it is hit by that reaper's attack. Pan to Shepard falling over his life fading but he has a brief vision through Harbringers eyes as several Ships of the unified fleet pull in barraging Harbringer before he can recover from the other reapers attack, then Shepards eyes close and his/her last breath is heard as the screen goes black.

Not perfect but would have been cool.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Lone_Wolf0 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did Bioware say anything interesting at PAX?

If you're into multiplayer, yes. Other than that, there was a very vague and cryptic non-answer to a question about the indoctrination theory.
Also, other plot related answers and a bit of discussion about the ending DLC.

Hm.. no I don't care about MP.. what exactly was that vague answer?
Anything really new about the DLC except that it will expand the ending?

[Legion109]

@Arian Dynas - Matrix 1 rocked the two garbage films that followed ruined it for me

[Lyria]

Arian Dynas wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Arian...I'm working on your post...but I'm tired and long post is long. I have it bookmarked and will finish it later today.

Until then,
ego vobis valadico!!!!

You magnificent bastard.

Quid quid latine dictum sit. Altum videtur.

Whatever has been said in latin seems deep?  lolz
I love Latin.  I'm so glad I took 3 years of it.

And I am a magnificent bastard.  Just ask my mother! 

A more accurate interpretation would be whatever is said in Latin sounds profound, but eh. Wish that we had more than one latin class, seriously with a campus as big as the university I go to, you'd think they'd have enough space not to have to have it in a highschool 7 miles down the road.

...And that's why my average overall grade was a B+.

Sucks man. The university I attended just got more than one class. The fact they offer it at all is amazing.

[MothrascoolerthenGodzilla]

I don't believe at all that Shepherd was indoctrinated the whole game. The reapers were attempting to indoctrinate him the whole game. Big difference...

[Ilzairspar]

Lone_Wolf0 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did Bioware say anything interesting at PAX?

If you're into multiplayer, yes. Other than that, there was a very vague and cryptic non-answer to a question about the indoctrination theory.
Also, other plot related answers and a bit of discussion about the ending DLC.

You also forgot the biggest quote of the panel.  When asked why the things they are going to put in the DLC were not put in the game orignally.

"We didn't know there was a huge demand for it"   

My rage still overwhelms me on this.