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[Legion109]

Skillz1986 wrote...

And as for trolls, i've got an idea.
Don't feed them, give them alternatives.

Example:

"hey ramdom troll, what's your take on the inception ending"

"uh, i suppose it was still a dream"

"well here's a link to a discussion about the ending (insert link). If you hurry, you might still convince someone.

Now move, MOVE!

I think it was Indoctrination mixed with a little 

[killnoob]

Skillz1986 wrote...

And as for trolls, i've got an idea.
Don't feed them, give them alternatives.

Example:

"hey ramdom troll, what's your take on the inception ending"

"uh, i suppose it was still a dream"

"well here's a link to a discussion about the ending (insert link). If you hurry, you might still convince someone.

Now move, MOVE!

uggh.

Ffs it's like talking to a bunch of kids.

The ending of inception is supposed to be open ended.
Mass effect ending is not.
And We actually SEE the relay explosion as catalyst said would happen. We also see the normandy crushland.
I'm not gonna argue if it make sense or not, because it doesn't and slapping IDT on it doesn't solve the problem of how poorly it is handled

But don't compare this muck to inception it's like comparing dog poo to David.
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Modifié par killnoob, 07 avril 2012 - 08:44 .

[Arian Dynas]

captainbob8383 wrote...

Ilzairspar wrote...

Lone_Wolf0 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Did Bioware say anything interesting at PAX?

If you're into multiplayer, yes. Other than that, there was a very vague and cryptic non-answer to a question about the indoctrination theory.
Also, other plot related answers and a bit of discussion about the ending DLC.

You also forgot the biggest quote of the panel.  When asked why the things they are going to put in the DLC were not put in the game orignally.

"We didn't know there was a huge demand for it"   
My rage still overwhelms me on this.

This quote actually comforts myself in the idea that all was planned from the beginning.
I mean, this quote is just unreal, they cant create an ending obviously full of holes, without any closure about the fate of the galaxy and say "We didn't know there was a huge demand for it"    .
They already stated by the past that they wanted "lots of speculations" from us, which imply they know this ending is cryptic, I really think they are just trolling us.

What this says to me is "Yeah, we had this idea" and either they never planned on showing it, figuring it was obvious enough on it's own, or they were planning on it, months down the road and it came as a complete suprise that this was such a dealbreaker for so many that they ended up pushing it up the DLC schedule.

[Arian Dynas]

killnoob wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

And as for trolls, i've got an idea.
Don't feed them, give them alternatives.

Example:

"hey ramdom troll, what's your take on the inception ending"

"uh, i suppose it was still a dream"

"well here's a link to a discussion about the ending (insert link). If you hurry, you might still convince someone.

Now move, MOVE!

uggh.

Ffs it's like talking to a bunch of kids.

The ending of inception is supposed to be open ended.
Mass effect ending is not.
We actually SEE the relay explosion as catalyst said would happen. We also see the normandy crushland.
I'm not gonna argue if it make sense or not, because it doesn't and slapping IDT on it doesn't solve the problem of how poorly it is handled

But don't compare this muck to inception it's like compoaring dog poo to David.
[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Now now, enough with the ad hominem, or you gunna get a whoopin boi

Who says it's not supposed to be open ended? "Lots of speculation from everyone" I beleive was the phrase.

As for comparing dog **** to David, I know a few Davids like that. 

[TobyHasEyes]

 For those considering the 'Shephard breath scene' as evidence of indoctrination theory..

 .. the Control and Synthesis options would really struggle to include that scene, as they actually depict Shepard's death and dissolution outright

So surely reserving the 'Shepard breath scene' for the Destroy option was because it was the only one which could have it included making any sense whatsoever (ignoring what Shepard would have to survive), rather than being a hint at indoctrination

 Just to say.. I would be very suprised if it turned out to be indoctrination

[Arian Dynas]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 For those considering the 'Shephard breath scene' as evidence of indoctrination theory..

 .. the Control and Synthesis options would really struggle to include that scene, as they actually depict Shepard's death and dissolution outright

So surely reserving the 'Shepard breath scene' for the Destroy option was because it was the only one which could have it included making any sense whatsoever (ignoring what Shepard would have to survive), rather than being a hint at indoctrination

 Just to say.. I would be very suprised if it turned out to be indoctrination

It is explicitly stated Shepard dies in Destroy.

How does that make the most sense? O.o

[Kamagawa]

Sadly, the panel indirectly implied that the indoctrination theory is false, though they will use it in the extended ending DLC and pretend that they planned the indoctrination theory from the start.


I vote for the intoxication theory.

Modifié par Kamagawa, 07 avril 2012 - 08:58 .

[Lone_Wolf0]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 For those considering the 'Shephard breath scene' as evidence of indoctrination theory..

 .. the Control and Synthesis options would really struggle to include that scene, as they actually depict Shepard's death and dissolution outright

So surely reserving the 'Shepard breath scene' for the Destroy option was because it was the only one which could have it included making any sense whatsoever (ignoring what Shepard would have to survive), rather than being a hint at indoctrination

 Just to say.. I would be very suprised if it turned out to be indoctrination

Granted, they do show his dissolution. But you can't tell me that actually seeing the power conduit explode in Shepard's face makes it that much more likely for him to be alive, not to mention his somehow not getting disintegrated by the explosion of the citadel/crucible, AND surviving atmospheric reentry.
EDIT: Cause he did so well with that in ME2... 

Modifié par Lone_Wolf0, 07 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[Arian Dynas]

Kamagawa wrote...

Sadly, the panel indirectly implied that the indoctrination theory is false, though they will use it in the extended ending DLC and pretend that they planned the indoctrination theory from the start.


I vote for the intoxication theory.

Implied to you. the rest of us feel otherwise.

[Lone_Wolf0]

Anyhoo, I have to get some sleep, but posting on here reminded me of how much I enjoy discussing on here with fellow fans. Like I used to back in the older days of the Tali threads right after ME2 came out... I'll be back tomorrow for some more discussion, most likely! Good night all, and remember, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but that doesn't mean you have to disrespect someone else's and shove yours down their throat. Civil and healthy discussion is possible, and good! And it's what Bioware wanted us to do xD

[gunslinger_ruiz]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 For those considering the 'Shephard breath scene' as evidence of indoctrination theory..

 .. the Control and Synthesis options would really struggle to include that scene, as they actually depict Shepard's death and dissolution outright

So surely reserving the 'Shepard breath scene' for the Destroy option was because it was the only one which could have it included making any sense whatsoever (ignoring what Shepard would have to survive), rather than being a hint at indoctrination

 Just to say.. I would be very suprised if it turned out to be indoctrination

I haven't heard many plausible explanations for the "Shepard's breath" scene aside from Indoctrination. If you Don't ignore what Shepard would have to survive (why would you do that?) then how does it makes sense that he/she would be able to take a breath.

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

Even Shepard would have been nothing but space dust from any combination of this list. Yet he takes a breath in pile of concrete rubble, rebar and probably Reaper tech, his battle scarred armor and body obvioulsy intact. I couldn't figure out how or why when I first saw the scene. Indoctrination Theory explains it, so does Hallucination. This doens't make them Fact, they're Theories until proven otherwise, but I ask you (everyone) what else leads to Shepard's survival of the above list and not death like the other 2 options. I'm honestly asking, I can't figure out anything other Indoctrination or Hallucination, or Indoctrination induced hallucination.

A Dream?
A Near Death Experience producing a vivid flash foward of Shepards last potential moments instead of  flashback of his/her entire life?
Intoxication? Not likely, Shepard is only scene drinking on the Citadel and doesn't appear drunk during any conversation outside of ME2.

[Kamagawa]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Kamagawa wrote...

Sadly,
the panel indirectly implied that the indoctrination theory is false,
though they will use it in the extended ending DLC and pretend that they
planned the indoctrination theory from the start.


I vote for the intoxication theory.

Implied to you. the rest of us feel otherwise.

Good point.

I just feel this way because of how they avoided the question.
they should have made a comment on it with saying they like it or they thought about indoctrinating Shep.
Anything that gives a clearer answer that "our fans are dedicated" and "we will let the extended ending DLC speak for itself"
it sounds too vague and wishy washy for me.

I hope I am wrong and they are geniuses and planned the indoctrination theory from the start of ME3's development.

Modifié par Kamagawa, 07 avril 2012 - 09:04 .

[Fhaarkas]

Copy paste from another forum.

Foreshadowing - The Prestige (Angier)
Misdirection - Lucky Number Slevin (Kansas City Shuffle)
'Deus Ex Machina' - Matrix
Was it real? (breath scene) - Inception (spinning totem)

There are others pointed out by other forumers, but either I haven't watched those movies or I've forgotten of what's what in them.
Crucible - Castaway (FedEx box) thanks Arian!
Reapers - War of the World never watch

Granted maybe they should have just ditched all these twists and 'intelligence' and make a plain Star Wars, but I can totally relate on what they're trying to do.

Edit - you don't have to be a genius to see what's coming really.

Modifié par Fhaarkas, 07 avril 2012 - 09:17 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Kamagawa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Kamagawa wrote...

Sadly,
the panel indirectly implied that the indoctrination theory is false,
though they will use it in the extended ending DLC and pretend that they
planned the indoctrination theory from the start.


I vote for the intoxication theory.

Implied to you. the rest of us feel otherwise.

Good point.

I just feel this way because of how they avoided the question.
they should have made a comment on it with saying they like it or they thought about indoctrinating Shep.
Anything that gives a clearer answer that "our fans are dedicated" and "we will let the extended ending DLC speak for itself"
it sounds too vague and wishy washy for me.

I hope I am wrong and they are geniuses and planned the indoctrination theory from the start of ME3's development.

I'm sure they planned Something after the end of ME3 for Shepard, even if it isn't the Indoctrination Theory. It's all because of Shepard's breath, if not for that this would be as much of an end as we can hope for. But the breath scene implies there's more, it implies something is not quite right with the endings we were shown and choices we were given. I've no idea what the Something they're planning is, but I don't doubt it'll blow my mind though I can't speak for the rest of the community.

[Legion109]

I guess um speculation will just continue and um we will all be grasping at Emergency Induction Ports until the "closure" dlc is released for us displeased fans um...

- Krogan wants a cookie -

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Kamagawa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Kamagawa wrote...

Sadly,
the panel indirectly implied that the indoctrination theory is false,
though they will use it in the extended ending DLC and pretend that they
planned the indoctrination theory from the start.


I vote for the intoxication theory.

Implied to you. the rest of us feel otherwise.

Good point.

I just feel this way because of how they avoided the question.
they should have made a comment on it with saying they like it or they thought about indoctrinating Shep.
Anything that gives a clearer answer that "our fans are dedicated" and "we will let the extended ending DLC speak for itself"
it sounds too vague and wishy washy for me.

I hope I am wrong and they are geniuses and planned the indoctrination theory from the start of ME3's development.

I'm sure they planned Something after the end of ME3 for Shepard, even if it isn't the Indoctrination Theory. It's all because of Shepard's breath, if not for that this would be as much of an end as we can hope for. But the breath scene implies there's more, it implies something is not quite right with the endings we were shown and choices we were given. I've no idea what the Something they're planning is, but I don't doubt it'll blow my mind though I can't speak for the rest of the community.

What do I see personally? 

Mass Effect 4: Subtitle of the somthing or other

Transfer your Mass Effect 3 save here, if Shepard lived, then a brigadier general/ admiral John (or Jane, if you prefer) Shepard makes a cameo, perhaps even playing Hackett to your new character, ala Wreav versus Wrex.

If Shepard died, then you get to see (or hear about) the John Shepard memorial back on Earth, showing Shepard standing victiorious amongst the rubble, a bronze statue of Shepaloo, grasping a N7 Valiant by the scope as bronze meteors frame the statue, held in place by mass effect fields, just like the cover on the artbook.
Voila, Shepard's story is done, they said so, it's just a question of "does he do more?"

[Arian Dynas]

Legion109 wrote...

I guess um speculation will just continue and um we will all be grasping at Emergency Induction Ports until the "closure" dlc is released for us displeased fans um...

- Krogan wants a cookie -

*gives Krogan Cookie made with Dextro- Proteins*

 Whaaaaat?!

[naddaya]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

[Legion109]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Legion109 wrote...

I guess um speculation will just continue and um we will all be grasping at Emergency Induction Ports until the "closure" dlc is released for us displeased fans um...

- Krogan wants a cookie -

*gives Krogan Cookie made with Dextro- Proteins*

 Whaaaaat?!

Remember that Krogan Aethyta told you about in ME2 drank that liquified Turian well that was me  I learned my lesson when dealing with anything that has Dextrose- Proteins in it, give me some Ryncol instead.

[moonlightwolf]

Bioware has clearly shown through its current press releases and announcements that indoctrination theory is not correct. However it is also clear that they're keeping from denying it just yet so that if they're forced to change the ending they can still have it as an option.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

m_k wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

I suppose Shepard did "survive" atmospheric re-entry once before, but he/she was in some kind of coma/stasis or just litereally dead but well preserved. It took two years and billions of dollars worth of cutting edge tech to bring Shepard alive again. You can argue that with Shepard's cutting edge tech cybernetic implants he/she could survive all of that, but the Destroy option deactivates those and debunks that arguement.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Arian Dynas wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Kamagawa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Kamagawa wrote...

Sadly,
the panel indirectly implied that the indoctrination theory is false,
though they will use it in the extended ending DLC and pretend that they
planned the indoctrination theory from the start.


I vote for the intoxication theory.

Implied to you. the rest of us feel otherwise.

Good point.

I just feel this way because of how they avoided the question.
they should have made a comment on it with saying they like it or they thought about indoctrinating Shep.
Anything that gives a clearer answer that "our fans are dedicated" and "we will let the extended ending DLC speak for itself"
it sounds too vague and wishy washy for me.

I hope I am wrong and they are geniuses and planned the indoctrination theory from the start of ME3's development.

I'm sure they planned Something after the end of ME3 for Shepard, even if it isn't the Indoctrination Theory. It's all because of Shepard's breath, if not for that this would be as much of an end as we can hope for. But the breath scene implies there's more, it implies something is not quite right with the endings we were shown and choices we were given. I've no idea what the Something they're planning is, but I don't doubt it'll blow my mind though I can't speak for the rest of the community.

What do I see personally? 

Mass Effect 4: Subtitle of the somthing or other

Transfer your Mass Effect 3 save here, if Shepard lived, then a brigadier general/ admiral John (or Jane, if you prefer) Shepard makes a cameo, perhaps even playing Hackett to your new character, ala Wreav versus Wrex.

If Shepard died, then you get to see (or hear about) the John Shepard memorial back on Earth, showing Shepard standing victiorious amongst the rubble, a bronze statue of Shepaloo, grasping a N7 Valiant by the scope as bronze meteors frame the statue, held in place by mass effect fields, just like the cover on the artbook.
Voila, Shepard's story is done, they said so, it's just a question of "does he do more?"

I kept hearing about the Shepard memorial flame of Torfan, I was hoping I'd get to watch my memorial, but no..

[Grudge_NL]

The way I see it, Bioware did this ending on purpose, in order to release some DLC in the lines of indoctrination later this year ( as a twist to the story).

They wanted the community to positively speculate on the ending. However, it turned out everyone reacted in a negative way.

Bioware delays all SP DLC's in order to make room for the Clarification DLC ( as response to all the constructive feedback on the ending). For all we know, One of these delayed SP DLC's could be the Indoctrination theory.

I think that is the reason why the extended cut doesnt add a new ending.  I think it's because they  already have plans for another DLC with something along the lines of the Indoctrination theory.


This would explain:

http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s

"I can't tell you that the end of the story will be on the disc... But within that context, given the terms there's a bit of a different.. the way that we're structuring the story is pretty different.. So it will make a good sense why the dlc plugs in to where it does."

This could indicate the Indoctrination theory being a DLC further on.  The outcry for a better ending delayed this. As they still want to do the Indoc theory, they only give us clarification around Summer in the form of a cutscene DLC.

Modifié par Grudge_NL, 07 avril 2012 - 09:39 .

[Skillz1986]

First of all, i did nkt comlare anything. i was just showing how you behavior has no point. yo don't this interpretation? Fine? But don't try to convince others of your opinion, why do that?
And please stop being insulting. J am a grown up, reasonably educated and it is uncalled for calling me or other people on this thread "a bunch of kids", especially when it is you, who did not understand the purpose of.my.post. furthermore...i do know that inception was supposed to be ambiguous. if it were not, my previous post would make no sense at all, since there would not have been any room for interpretaton.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

m_k wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

I suppose Shepard did "survive" atmospheric re-entry once before, but he/she was in some kind of coma/stasis or just litereally dead but well preserved. It took two years and billions of dollars worth of cutting edge tech to bring Shepard alive again. You can argue that with Shepard's cutting edge tech cybernetic implants he/she could survive all of that, but the Destroy option deactivates those and debunks that arguement.

He wasent even well preserved. Cant remember who but somebody in ME2, I think its Liara, describes it as Shepard having been scattered across a large area in pieces. Only because his brain was relatively intact due to beeing protected by his helmet (which he would not have for Citadel to Earth entry in ME3) and that beyond the brain Shepard is mostly cloned tissue and cybernetics.

So yeah his chances of surviving Orbital from Citadel is 0, litterally 0.