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[DirtyPhoenix]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

m_k wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

I suppose Shepard did "survive" atmospheric re-entry once before, but he/she was in some kind of coma/stasis or just litereally dead but well preserved. It took two years and billions of dollars worth of cutting edge tech to bring Shepard alive again. You can argue that with Shepard's cutting edge tech cybernetic implants he/she could survive all of that, but the Destroy option deactivates those and debunks that arguement.

That first time Shep had his armour and helmet on, this time he didn't even have those, I can't imagine how the hell can someone not burn up to dust upon re-entry to earth, unprotected. And about the destroying option destroying all synthetics, I'm a little confused. Does it destroy every synthetic machine/instrument? or does it only destroy synthetic creatures? Shep had synthetic implants, but he was still prettty much organic, like someone who has an artificial limb.. he still remains an organic creature.

So if that destroy option kill all synthetic machine/ equipment then nothing should work post-explosion. Yet we see some bits of working technology after the blast..

[Skillz1986]

Wow..major misspelling in my previous post. sorry for that. turns out i am not as good at writing on phones , as i thought i was

[naddaya]

pirate1802 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

m_k wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

I suppose Shepard did "survive" atmospheric re-entry once before, but he/she was in some kind of coma/stasis or just litereally dead but well preserved. It took two years and billions of dollars worth of cutting edge tech to bring Shepard alive again. You can argue that with Shepard's cutting edge tech cybernetic implants he/she could survive all of that, but the Destroy option deactivates those and debunks that arguement.

That first time Shep had his armour and helmet on, this time he didn't even have those, I can't imagine how the hell can someone not burn up to dust upon re-entry to earth, unprotected. And about the destroying option destroying all synthetics, I'm a little confused. Does it destroy every synthetic machine/instrument? or does it only destroy synthetic creatures? Shep had synthetic implants, but he was still prettty much organic, like someone who has an artificial limb.. he still remains an organic creature.

So if that destroy option kill all synthetic machine/ equipment then nothing should work post-explosion. Yet we see some bits of working technology after the blast..

Yes, but from what I understand Shep had reaper tech, not simple implants.

[kilgorek]

Just watched the full video of the PAX Panel where they answered the IT question. His tone and then the long pause while laughter ensues after he talks about how "dedicated" the fanbase is....I don't know. It sounded like he was kind of taking the ******.

[LivingHitokiri]

Avoiding the question directly was damage control , nothing else. They know if they directly deny indoctrination theory they are even more screwed than now,so they leave it " open" in order to win some time to reorganize their plans.

The way i saw their answer about goes like this.
" illustrates how committed the [Mass Effect] fanbase is," but said that while "fans will interpret it in their own way," they didn't want to comment either way for fear of being "prescriptive."


So either they will pull out and troll us saying that was our plan all along, or they will simply give more cutscenes after current ending.
I saw couple of twits by bioware talking about Relays can be rebuild and that nobody starves to death with normandy crew which points out more to the path of " this was just a ****ty writting than a genius one"

[LeRavelle]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

m_k wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

I suppose Shepard did "survive" atmospheric re-entry once before, but he/she was in some kind of coma/stasis or just litereally dead but well preserved. It took two years and billions of dollars worth of cutting edge tech to bring Shepard alive again. You can argue that with Shepard's cutting edge tech cybernetic implants he/she could survive all of that, but the Destroy option deactivates those and debunks that arguement.

He wasent even well preserved. Cant remember who but somebody in ME2, I think its Liara, describes it as Shepard having been scattered across a large area in pieces. Only because his brain was relatively intact due to beeing protected by his helmet (which he would not have for Citadel to Earth entry in ME3) and that beyond the brain Shepard is mostly cloned tissue and cybernetics.

So yeah his chances of surviving Orbital from Citadel is 0, litterally 0.

In ME3 Miranda also said Shepard was considered a loss cause and the damage was at the point of beyond repair, Shephard was just too lucky.

[naddaya]

LeRavelle wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

m_k wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

I suppose Shepard did "survive" atmospheric re-entry once before, but he/she was in some kind of coma/stasis or just litereally dead but well preserved. It took two years and billions of dollars worth of cutting edge tech to bring Shepard alive again. You can argue that with Shepard's cutting edge tech cybernetic implants he/she could survive all of that, but the Destroy option deactivates those and debunks that arguement.

He wasent even well preserved. Cant remember who but somebody in ME2, I think its Liara, describes it as Shepard having been scattered across a large area in pieces. Only because his brain was relatively intact due to beeing protected by his helmet (which he would not have for Citadel to Earth entry in ME3) and that beyond the brain Shepard is mostly cloned tissue and cybernetics.

So yeah his chances of surviving Orbital from Citadel is 0, litterally 0.

In ME3 Miranda also said Shepard was considered a loss cause and the damage was at the point of beyond repair, Shephard was just too lucky.

Yes, Miranda described some serious damage and exposure to vacuum and sub-zero temperatures. Jacob said the situation was bad and that Shepard was just "meat and tubes".

[gunslinger_ruiz]

pirate1802 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

m_k wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

I suppose Shepard did "survive" atmospheric re-entry once before, but he/she was in some kind of coma/stasis or just litereally dead but well preserved. It took two years and billions of dollars worth of cutting edge tech to bring Shepard alive again. You can argue that with Shepard's cutting edge tech cybernetic implants he/she could survive all of that, but the Destroy option deactivates those and debunks that arguement.

That first time Shep had his armour and helmet on, this time he didn't even have those, I can't imagine how the hell can someone not burn up to dust upon re-entry to earth, unprotected. And about the destroying option destroying all synthetics, I'm a little confused. Does it destroy every synthetic machine/instrument? or does it only destroy synthetic creatures? Shep had synthetic implants, but he was still prettty much organic, like someone who has an artificial limb.. he still remains an organic creature.

So if that destroy option kill all synthetic machine/ equipment then nothing should work post-explosion. Yet we see some bits of working technology after the blast..

I including that reason on the list because the Catalyst/"Godchild" implies that Shepard would be killed if he chose to destroy all synthetics. "You can wipe out all synthetic life. Inlcuding the Geth. Even YOU are partly synthetic." That last bit might be part of the Synthesis (green) explanation but it still implies Shepard is partlu synthetic and will therefore be wiped out.

I beleive the Red wave, the destroy option, only targets AIs/AI brains and destroys/deletes them since the Reapers don't disintegrate in the cutscene, their minds are wiped out not their bodies. The same would go for the Geth; the "platforms" they run don't represent their entire being only the machinery they're loaded on to. Their real essence is their AI "brain", I imagine it looks something like what Legion shows you when Geth are upgraded with Reaper code while on the Normandy.

If that's the case then Shepards cybernetics wouldn't be "erased" from his body, but more than likely they would deactivate or be shut down. Since a lot of his body is partly synthetic even a momentary shut down of these implants would probably kill him/her.

[Sammuthegreat]

m_k wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

m_k wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

I suppose Shepard did "survive" atmospheric re-entry once before, but he/she was in some kind of coma/stasis or just litereally dead but well preserved. It took two years and billions of dollars worth of cutting edge tech to bring Shepard alive again. You can argue that with Shepard's cutting edge tech cybernetic implants he/she could survive all of that, but the Destroy option deactivates those and debunks that arguement.

That first time Shep had his armour and helmet on, this time he didn't even have those, I can't imagine how the hell can someone not burn up to dust upon re-entry to earth, unprotected. And about the destroying option destroying all synthetics, I'm a little confused. Does it destroy every synthetic machine/instrument? or does it only destroy synthetic creatures? Shep had synthetic implants, but he was still prettty much organic, like someone who has an artificial limb.. he still remains an organic creature.

So if that destroy option kill all synthetic machine/ equipment then nothing should work post-explosion. Yet we see some bits of working technology after the blast..

Yes, but from what I understand Shep had reaper tech, not simple implants.

How does that make it make sense? The reapers themselves are made of reaper tech, and the Destroy ending is designed purely to kill the reapers.

[kilgorek]

LivingHitokiri wrote...

Avoiding the question directly was damage control , nothing else. They know if they directly deny indoctrination theory they are even more screwed than now,so they leave it " open" in order to win some time to reorganize their plans.

The way i saw their answer about goes like this.
" illustrates how committed the [Mass Effect] fanbase is," but said that while "fans will interpret it in their own way," they didn't want to comment either way for fear of being "prescriptive."


So either they will pull out and troll us saying that was our plan all along, or they will simply give more cutscenes after current ending.
I saw couple of twits by bioware talking about Relays can be rebuild and that nobody starves to death with normandy crew which points out more to the path of " this was just a ****ty writting than a genius one"

How the hell are they going to be rebuilt when nothing works? From what I understood of the ending, nearly all space technology is void (this is explains why the Normandy would be running, although not how Joker knew to run to begin with). Do they even know how to rebuild it? Even if they did, and they had the supplies and transport, it would take them a long ass time to rebuild the entire mass relay system.

So, yea. I see no hope for all of those aliens stranded on Earth and its orbit.

[naddaya]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

How does that make it make sense? The reapers themselves are made of reaper tech, and the Destroy ending is designed purely to kill the reapers.

It means that Shepard, making that choice, should die as well. But it doesn't happen.

[DirtyPhoenix]

m_k wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

m_k wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

I suppose Shepard did "survive" atmospheric re-entry once before, but he/she was in some kind of coma/stasis or just litereally dead but well preserved. It took two years and billions of dollars worth of cutting edge tech to bring Shepard alive again. You can argue that with Shepard's cutting edge tech cybernetic implants he/she could survive all of that, but the Destroy option deactivates those and debunks that arguement.

That first time Shep had his armour and helmet on, this time he didn't even have those, I can't imagine how the hell can someone not burn up to dust upon re-entry to earth, unprotected. And about the destroying option destroying all synthetics, I'm a little confused. Does it destroy every synthetic machine/instrument? or does it only destroy synthetic creatures? Shep had synthetic implants, but he was still prettty much organic, like someone who has an artificial limb.. he still remains an organic creature.

So if that destroy option kill all synthetic machine/ equipment then nothing should work post-explosion. Yet we see some bits of working technology after the blast..

Yes, but from what I understand Shep had reaper tech, not simple implants.

That would really reduce the chances of Shep's survival. Where was it mentioned?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

pirate1802 wrote...

m_k wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

m_k wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

I suppose Shepard did "survive" atmospheric re-entry once before, but he/she was in some kind of coma/stasis or just litereally dead but well preserved. It took two years and billions of dollars worth of cutting edge tech to bring Shepard alive again. You can argue that with Shepard's cutting edge tech cybernetic implants he/she could survive all of that, but the Destroy option deactivates those and debunks that arguement.

That first time Shep had his armour and helmet on, this time he didn't even have those, I can't imagine how the hell can someone not burn up to dust upon re-entry to earth, unprotected. And about the destroying option destroying all synthetics, I'm a little confused. Does it destroy every synthetic machine/instrument? or does it only destroy synthetic creatures? Shep had synthetic implants, but he was still prettty much organic, like someone who has an artificial limb.. he still remains an organic creature.

So if that destroy option kill all synthetic machine/ equipment then nothing should work post-explosion. Yet we see some bits of working technology after the blast..

Yes, but from what I understand Shep had reaper tech, not simple implants.

That would really reduce the chances of Shep's survival. Where was it mentioned?

I don't remember it ever mentioned directly in game but I think people derive it from Cerberus openly using Reaper Tech. They  may very well have used some of Sovereign (or rather,  technology reverse engineered from it's pieces) to rebuild Shepard.

[naddaya]

pirate1802 wrote...

That would really reduce the chances of Shep's survival. Where was it mentioned?

It was either mentioned in ME2 or I assumed it. Mind you, I might be wrong. I'll try to dig up some info.

Modifié par m_k, 07 avril 2012 - 10:04 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

m_k wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Shepard would have to survive:
1. The initial explosion of the red "power conduit" caused by shooting it.
2. Being at ground zero of the Crucible energy being released.
3. The Citadel being destroyed (and more than likely the Crucible) with you still on it's back once the red Beam is sent out to the Relays.
4. Re-entry into Earth's atmostphere either within Citadel debris or free falling.
5. Performing 4. succesfully without personal kinetic barriers in addition to severly damaged armor and life threatening injuries.
6. ALL Synthetic life being destroy, including Shepard's cybernetics according to the Catalyst. "Even you are partly Synthetic"

All excellent points, the last one especially bugs me.

I suppose Shepard did "survive" atmospheric re-entry once before, but he/she was in some kind of coma/stasis or just litereally dead but well preserved. It took two years and billions of dollars worth of cutting edge tech to bring Shepard alive again. You can argue that with Shepard's cutting edge tech cybernetic implants he/she could survive all of that, but the Destroy option deactivates those and debunks that arguement.

That first time Shep had his armour and helmet on, this time he didn't even have those, I can't imagine how the hell can someone not burn up to dust upon re-entry to earth, unprotected. And about the destroying option destroying all synthetics, I'm a little confused. Does it destroy every synthetic machine/instrument? or does it only destroy synthetic creatures? Shep had synthetic implants, but he was still prettty much organic, like someone who has an artificial limb.. he still remains an organic creature.

So if that destroy option kill all synthetic machine/ equipment then nothing should work post-explosion. Yet we see some bits of working technology after the blast..

I including that reason on the list because the Catalyst/"Godchild" implies that Shepard would be killed if he chose to destroy all synthetics. "You can wipe out all synthetic life. Inlcuding the Geth. Even YOU are partly synthetic." That last bit might be part of the Synthesis (green) explanation but it still implies Shepard is partlu synthetic and will therefore be wiped out.

I beleive the Red wave, the destroy option, only targets AIs/AI brains and destroys/deletes them since the Reapers don't disintegrate in the cutscene, their minds are wiped out not their bodies. The same would go for the Geth; the "platforms" they run don't represent their entire being only the machinery they're loaded on to. Their real essence is their AI "brain", I imagine it looks something like what Legion shows you when Geth are upgraded with Reaper code while on the Normandy.

If that's the case then Shepards cybernetics wouldn't be "erased" from his body, but more than likely they would deactivate or be shut down. Since a lot of his body is partly synthetic even a momentary shut down of these implants would probably kill him/her.

Well taking the endings at face value, the kid didn't explicitly say YOU will be killed, like he said in the other two options, maybe he was just ttrying to scare Shepard :innocent: Also, like you said if the wave targets AI/AI barins then why would Shep's implants be deactivated, her brain is synthetic is what I understand. And how does the wave distinguish between a body implant and for example a gun trigger? If the wave deactiva everything machanical then it should destroy pretty much everything. Yet we see the Normandy door working afterwards..

[Ravel1992]

 "Shepard never believed in no-win scenarios.
 Why should you?
 Hold the line."

koobismo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4v23p8

[DirtyPhoenix]

Wasn't TIM hell bent on resurrecting Shepard in almost the exact form he/she was before getting spaced. That can be one reason why he could have chosen th use normal implants instead of Reaper implants. I am searching for it too, to see if its mentioned anywhere in the game. I guess my habit of taking screenshots continously might come in handy

[naddaya]

Okay, checked the forums a bit. It was never clearly stated that Shepard was brought back using reaper tech, the details of the rebuilding are very vague.

A lot of people assumed it - and I among them - because TIM used it on EDI and it seemed the only way they could possibly resurrect someone.
But again, it was just speculation. There's an even chance they might be simple implants.

Any opinion on this?

[clennon8]

I'm about 90% sure the "Shep breathes" scene is on the Citadel, folks. So whatever version of IT you believe in has to account for that.

[LeRavelle]

pirate1802 wrote...

Wasn't TIM hell bent on resurrecting Shepard in almost the exact form he/she was before getting spaced. That can be one reason why he could have chosen th use normal implants instead of Reaper implants. I am searching for it too, to see if its mentioned anywhere in the game. I guess my habit of taking screenshots continously might come in handy

In the books they use reaper tech on someone and it's way worse for that person than Shep so my guess is that they used the ideas of the reaper tech but not really the reaper tech itself. Else Shep would be a walking Husk by now,

[LeRavelle]

clennon8 wrote...

I'm about 90% sure the "Shep breathes" scene is on the Citadel, folks. So whatever version of IT you believe in has to account for that.

But you hear reapers in that scene, when they're suppose to be destroyed.

[DirtyPhoenix]

clennon8 wrote...

I'm about 90% sure the "Shep breathes" scene is on the Citadel, folks. So whatever version of IT you believe in has to account for that.

How can that be possible? SHepard gets fried then the whole place where she was standing goes boom. Also, I hear rumbing and soldier's voices in the background when Shepard breathes.

[captainbob8383]

clennon8 wrote...

I'm about 90% sure the "Shep breathes" scene is on the Citadel, folks. So whatever version of IT you believe in has to account for that.

The heart of the citadel explodes. No way Shepard would survive that, and he would end up spaced. While in the breath scene there is clearly air and gravity. 

[naddaya]

LeRavelle wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Wasn't TIM hell bent on resurrecting Shepard in almost the exact form he/she was before getting spaced. That can be one reason why he could have chosen th use normal implants instead of Reaper implants. I am searching for it too, to see if its mentioned anywhere in the game. I guess my habit of taking screenshots continously might come in handy

In the books they use reaper tech on someone and it's way worse for that person than Shep so my guess is that they used the ideas of the reaper tech but not really the reaper tech itself. Else Shep would be a walking Husk by now,

Grayson? What happened exactly?

[Erethrian]

Ravel1992 wrote...

 "Shepard never believed in no-win scenarios.
 Why should you?
 Hold the line."

koobismo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4v23p8

That's my ending for now. And it's not over.

Also, I don't really know what to think about the "Extended Cut" but I have hope, and I'll hold the line with IT until officially denied by BW or the DLC itself.