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#33001
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waldstr18 wrote...

what? isnt summer like juni, july, august and maybe september everywhere? isnt all that connected with the distance to the sun? how could that be different anywhere on planet earth.

i wouldnt even know how to google that. when exactly is summer in china? do eskimos get spring break? do they celebrate christmas in africa?


Uh... please tell me you're being stupid for laughs & not for real here... :blink:

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LeRavelle wrote...

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Wasn't TIM hell bent on resurrecting Shepard in almost the exact form he/she was before getting spaced. That can be one reason why he could have chosen th use normal implants instead of Reaper implants. I am searching for it too, to see if its mentioned anywhere in the game. I guess my habit of taking screenshots continously might come in handy :D


In the books they use reaper tech on someone and it's way worse for that person than Shep so my guess is that they used the ideas of the reaper tech but not really the reaper tech itself. Else Shep would be a walking Husk by now,


Grayson? What happened exactly?


*MASS EFFECT BOOK SPOILERS SKIP AHEAD IF YOU DON'T READ IT YET*

The Illusive man manages to catch Grayson and implants him with serious reaper tech, transforming him in to a meat muppet for the reapers, his body becomes more that of a husk with lights and tubes like Saren and is unable to control his own body, at first he remains is consiousness but overtime the reapers get stronger and erase your mind and they use your body for whatever they like, a emotionless killing machine in the books forexample.


@pirate. Exactly.  The procedure is inhumane and cruel there's no way any of the ME2 serberus crew would have allowed that, it's pure torture.

At the end of ME3 you see TiM implanting real reaper tech in to his own body, hence the husk like looks and sudden biotic powers.



You have to point out that they start small with Grayson and add on more tech to see the gradual changes. This book utterly convinced me that TIM has lost it at that point and is possibly getting scared. 

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Rifneno wrote...

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The Extended Cut is just going to add some cinematic scenes.. .wouldn't that be extremely stupid if IT was true ? I mean: you wake up, cinematic blowing **** up, end, epilogue. And no gameplay ? That just doesn't make any sense.

Neither does the assumption that it won't include gameplay.

Actually, if you check the FAQ, it states cinematics and epilogue scenes (think the slides at the end of DA:O or the stories at the end of Throne of Bhaal). I doubt they will add gameplay, simply because it requires a higher amount of development and iteration, and they had to reorganize their DLC schedule to fit the Ending DLC in their original plan; if they keep their "summer" release schedule, and considering this DLC will mean them no new revenue (as it's been announced it'll be free for the next two years), they'll push it out of the door as fast as they can to focus on recouping losses with actually sellable DLC.

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Just finished watching the me3 panel at pax. Probably already been mentioned, but nice to hear them say that "they'll let the content speak for itself" in regards to indoc and the extended cut, and that Indoc will still be a viable interpretation in the extended cut. That's how I understood it at least.

Modifié par RoyalGambit, 07 avril 2012 - 01:39 .


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Xewaka wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Kazalord2 wrote...
The Extended Cut is just going to add some cinematic scenes.. .wouldn't that be extremely stupid if IT was true ? I mean: you wake up, cinematic blowing **** up, end, epilogue. And no gameplay ? That just doesn't make any sense.

Neither does the assumption that it won't include gameplay.

Actually, if you check the FAQ, it states cinematics and epilogue scenes (think the slides at the end of DA:O or the stories at the end of Throne of Bhaal). I doubt they will add gameplay, simply because it requires a higher amount of development and iteration, and they had to reorganize their DLC schedule to fit the Ending DLC in their original plan; if they keep their "summer" release schedule, and considering this DLC will mean them no new revenue (as it's been announced it'll be free for the next two years), they'll push it out of the door as fast as they can to focus on recouping losses with actually sellable DLC.


I'm well aware of that.  I'm also well aware that gameplay is far less likely without IT (what's to add if the Reapers are beaten?) and that they dodge the question of whether there will be gameplay.  Exactly like they do for IT.  And exactly like they used to do for the MP DLC that they announced at PAX.

So yeah.  Assuming that IT isn't true because there won't be gameplay because IT isn't true because there won't be gameplay--oh yeah.  Circular logic.  It sure is circular.

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Rifneno wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Kazalord2 wrote...
The Extended Cut is just going to add some cinematic scenes.. .wouldn't that be extremely stupid if IT was true ? I mean: you wake up, cinematic blowing **** up, end, epilogue. And no gameplay ? That just doesn't make any sense.

Neither does the assumption that it won't include gameplay.

Actually, if you check the FAQ, it states cinematics and epilogue scenes (think the slides at the end of DA:O or the stories at the end of Throne of Bhaal). I doubt they will add gameplay, simply because it requires a higher amount of development and iteration, and they had to reorganize their DLC schedule to fit the Ending DLC in their original plan; if they keep their "summer" release schedule, and considering this DLC will mean them no new revenue (as it's been announced it'll be free for the next two years), they'll push it out of the door as fast as they can to focus on recouping losses with actually sellable DLC.


I'm well aware of that.  I'm also well aware that gameplay is far less likely without IT (what's to add if the Reapers are beaten?) and that they dodge the question of whether there will be gameplay.  Exactly like they do for IT.  And exactly like they used to do for the MP DLC that they announced at PAX.

So yeah.  Assuming that IT isn't true because there won't be gameplay because IT isn't true because there won't be gameplay--oh yeah.  Circular logic.  It sure is circular.


Gah!  Star-Brat Logic!

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It's funny how most Anti-IT members accuse IT of being totally wrong because of the fact that it makes those who choose Synthesis and Control the wrong endings, and Destroy is the only right ending.
If I remember correctly, even ME2 had a bad ending, but it was still a right ending for what you got. Doesn't mean you were wrong. You just didn't survive the suicide mission.

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Gilgamesh117 wrote...

It's funny how most Anti-IT members accuse IT of being totally wrong because of the fact that it makes those who choose Synthesis and Control the wrong endings, and Destroy is the only right ending.
If I remember correctly, even ME2 had a bad ending, but it was still a right ending for what you got. Doesn't mean you were wrong. You just didn't survive the suicide mission.

Oh yea. I totally blew it my first time through. Nothing like walking around in a completely empty Normandy and knowing, IT WAS ALL MY FAULT.:(

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Gilgamesh117 wrote...

It's funny how most Anti-IT members accuse IT of being totally wrong because of the fact that it makes those who choose Synthesis and Control the wrong endings, and Destroy is the only right ending.
If I remember correctly, even ME2 had a bad ending, but it was still a right ending for what you got. Doesn't mean you were wrong. You just didn't survive the suicide mission.


They don't understand there's a difference between "Your choices matter" and "All your choices are right and you're perfect and you can be whatever you want to be when you grow up."

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Yeah, the ME2 ending that was "bad" was that everyone died. No Shep to import. Besides, Synthesis or Control isn't "wrong" regardless of IT, anyway. If that was what someone wanted to happen, then that is what happened in their game.

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schneeland wrote...

Spiderman_2028 wrote...

 Ok one more post because this was too funny...

I have a 5 year old son.

The following is an actual conversation we had not 3 minutes ago. I am not making this up. This JUST happened.

Me: Did Imtell you I finished off Mass Effect 3?
Son: What happened?
Me: it was rubbish.
Son: why?
Me: it was just silly
Son: Well... Was there a big monster?
Me: Nope. You know what you have to do at the end?
Son: ... A big fight?
Me: no, you go for a walk.
Son: ... What?
Me: You go for a walk and have a chat with a ghost
Son: *confused look* ...What?
Me: Yeah. That's what I said.
Son: (thinks for 5 seconds) Dad, that's silly. You can play Skylanders on my XBox instead, if you want. It has monsters
Me: Thanks buddy.

Just wanted to share that. I think it sums it up nicely.

Bye all.... B)


He he. I think, your son is pretty cool ;)


LOL.

I just got around telling my girlfriend about this whole indoctrination business over lunch and she said i was crazy.

Then i thought about all the stuff i posted here for 1000 pages and had to smile a little and it went like:


What now?

Huh? Oh, nothing.. nothing..




I hope she never finds out my account names. :whistle:


P.S. you just gotta love the mind of kids. Just getting right to the point.

It has monsters dad. Monsters.

Modifié par lex0r11, 07 avril 2012 - 02:09 .


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Xewaka wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Kazalord2 wrote...
The Extended Cut is just going to add some cinematic scenes.. .wouldn't that be extremely stupid if IT was true ? I mean: you wake up, cinematic blowing **** up, end, epilogue. And no gameplay ? That just doesn't make any sense.

Neither does the assumption that it won't include gameplay.

Actually, if you check the FAQ, it states cinematics and epilogue scenes (think the slides at the end of DA:O or the stories at the end of Throne of Bhaal). I doubt they will add gameplay, simply because it requires a higher amount of development and iteration, and they had to reorganize their DLC schedule to fit the Ending DLC in their original plan; if they keep their "summer" release schedule, and considering this DLC will mean them no new revenue (as it's been announced it'll be free for the next two years), they'll push it out of the door as fast as they can to focus on recouping losses with actually sellable DLC.


Yes, and when someone at the pannel asked if it will include gameplay they refused to deny if it will or will not have gameplay. If that just means just more dialog options or actuall gameplay remains to be seen

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Rifneno wrote...
what's to add if the Reapers are beaten?

What's to add? A random turret section, of course! It worked so well in the last assignment...

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hi people, just checking in, anything new?

err other than the dlc?

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

hi people, just checking in, anything new?

err other than the dlc?

Gday mate.
EDIT: Just got in a little bit ago myself so no help here.

Modifié par Big G13, 07 avril 2012 - 02:44 .


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Gilgamesh117 wrote...

It's funny how most Anti-IT members accuse IT of being totally wrong because of the fact that it makes those who choose Synthesis and Control the wrong endings, and Destroy is the only right ending.
If I remember correctly, even ME2 had a bad ending, but it was still a right ending for what you got. Doesn't mean you were wrong. You just didn't survive the suicide mission.


Yea but it's a very loose comparison,

The way I see it (pardon the pun). Control and Synthesis are the wrong choices because it leads to indoctrination, but if that's what they intended who are those fans to say it's wrong? At least there wont be any plot-holes...

#33018
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Nah, just working through all the troll.

(haven't actually checked all the last 30 pages)

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lex0r11 wrote...

Nah, just working through all the troll.

(haven't actually checked all the last 30 pages)

*snip


Seriously now.. Where do u get all these?

#33020
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AND O M G I WANT THAT HAIRCUT!!

#33021
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lex0r11 wrote...

Nah, just working through all the troll.

(haven't actually checked all the last 30 pages)

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You now have my permission to change my friend status to fan.

#33022
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lex0r11 wrote...

Nah, just working through all the troll.

(haven't actually checked all the last 30 pages)

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Thats a sentinel? And which visor is that? That looks freaking cool :o

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lex0r11 wrote...

Nah, just working through all the troll.

(haven't actually checked all the last 30 pages)

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:o EPIC!! Lex0r11, you are so awesome!

#33024
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Jade8aby88 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Nah, just working through all the troll.

(haven't actually checked all the last 30 pages)

*snip


Seriously now.. Where do u get all these?



Please.. :lol:

I'm a professional.


Maybe i should make your reaction into one.


edit: done

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#33025
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 So, now that I've gushed over lex0r11, is it safe now? Things were getting scary on the forum last night with the amount of hate. Normally I'd try to calm things down, but . . . that was a "get into the basement" storm, in my view. :blink: