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Kyzee wrote...

The lesbain part wasn't why I . . . argh. :pinched:

Does anyone see the point I was trying to make?


I haven't seen it yet, but what's this about a lesbian part?

(edit: by the way I'm joking. I just thought I'd clarify, because tone of voice is hard to convey over the internet, lmao).

Modifié par Sire Styx, 07 avril 2012 - 05:43 .


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Kyzee wrote...

The lesbain part wasn't why I . . . argh. :pinched:

Does anyone see the point I was trying to make?


was it because it was all an illusion because she was really with that guy and imagined being with Mila?

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Sire Styx wrote...


I don't know if it's been mentioned before but:


KCox:
Answer: One of the things in the citadel codex is that anyplace -inside- the citadel has emergency seals, and some exterior areas have emergency seals that can keep atmosphere in. Even if the Citadel is destroyed (which it may or may not be in ending), "is not like the entire things blow up." People on (in) the arms may well still be alive. No reason to assume 100% casualtties


I know it says the arms, but especially this bit "some exterior areas have emergency seals that can keep atmosphere in" suggest to me that Shepard may still be on the Citadel when s/he wakes up :|

As unlikely as it would seem,  Shepard may have survived an explosion and the citadel exploding before waking up in some mysterious concrete. If this is true then it's really just proving the lazy bioware theory :|

It really irritates me that they can't give a proper, non-vague answer about IT. In my mind, they don't want to say for definite because it will alienate some gamers. They'd rather juggle all the IT supporters/non supporters so that they buy DLC all the way until summer and don't sell their games on.

I'm thinking the whole 'many endings' thing isn't because there are many endings but many interpretations of the same ending. If that's the case, why not just sell us an empty box and we can imagine our own game with as many endings as we like?

I'd still like to believe in IT though.

Anyone found any new evidence to support IT anyway?


But what DLC is there to buy? So far we only have two free DLC packs.

Sure they're keeping us in the dark, they want to keep as many fans happy as they can after all. But that's not to say we're wrong, it could very well be the fact that they would rather have us see we were right rather than tell us.

"We would rather this DLC speak for itself." says a lot to me.

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Kyzee wrote...

The lesbain part wasn't why I . . . argh. :pinched:

Does anyone see the point I was trying to make?

I think so. The entire ME3 ending was Shedard's internal monologue?

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

But what DLC is there to buy? So far we only have two free DLC packs.

Sure they're keeping us in the dark, they want to keep as many fans happy as they can after all. But that's not to say we're wrong, it could very well be the fact that they would rather have us see we were right rather than tell us.

"We would rather this DLC speak for itself." says a lot to me.


I'm not saying there is DLC to buy atm, but the popular thing with games these days (or so I understand) is to release DLC content to buy. ME3 already had day-one DLC to buy, and the ending actually mentions DLC.

Unless they're actually trying to make a satisfying ending, the only reasons I can think for them to tell us to keep our games (after we already paid for them) is so that we can buy more DLC and so that other people can't buy cheap 2nd hand copies.

I'd love IT to be correct and that, I just would have thought we'd have some sort of definitive confirmation by now, especially with the backlash surrounding the ending.

Edit: removed quotes

Modifié par Sire Styx, 07 avril 2012 - 05:38 .


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That link didn't work?

This should..
http://svn.gib.me/builds/masseffect3/

download this one: saveedit-r69_b86.zip

But I tried that hairdo and for some reason my Shep now has war paint all over her face lolz.

lol. You can't do your hair without doing your makeup. You know that.

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UrgedDuke wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

The lesbain part wasn't why I . . . argh. :pinched:

Does anyone see the point I was trying to make?


was it because it was all an illusion because she was really with that guy and imagined being with Mila?


Okay, SPOILER ALERT for Black Swan.

My point was in the scene where Portman comes back from the club, once her mother comes out, Mila Kunis is shown only in the reflection of a mirror and then she disappears. The next time she's seen in when Portman's going to her room.

This is similar to when, just as Shepard spots the kid at the evacuation zone, Kaidan/Ashley slips off screen, and isn't seen until Shepard heads into the Normandy to order them to head for the Citadel. This little trick of cinematography could lend credence to the idea the the child is a hallucination.

It could also just be coincidental. But I thought the similarities were very cool, and just wanted to share. 

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UrgedDuke wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

The lesbain part wasn't why I . . . argh. :pinched:

Does anyone see the point I was trying to make?


was it because it was all an illusion because she was really with that guy and imagined being with Mila?



MOVIE SPOILER










She also thought she stabbed mila/evil twin when in reality she just stabbed herself.



And you can't blame people losing focus when someone drops 'Lesbian'.

Shepard knows.

Posted Image

Modifié par lex0r11, 07 avril 2012 - 05:41 .


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Big G13 wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

The lesbain part wasn't why I . . . argh. :pinched:

Does anyone see the point I was trying to make?

I think so. The entire ME3 ending was Shedard's internal monologue?


Until they get something to patch over those plot holes I'm sticking with IDT.

Actually I'm starting to believe that the Alternate Universe in Fringe uses Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC's to patch the holes in the Universe.  If it can patch the plot holes in ME3's ending, anything is possible.

*Starts Petition to have Bioware rename the DLC 'Amber'

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edit double post

Modifié par lex0r11, 07 avril 2012 - 05:41 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

The lesbain part wasn't why I . . . argh. :pinched:

Does anyone see the point I was trying to make?


was it because it was all an illusion because she was really with that guy and imagined being with Mila?



MOVIE SPOILER










She also thought she stabbed mila/evil twin when in reality she just stabbed herself.



And you can't blame people losing focus when someone drops 'Lesbian'.

Shepard knows.

Posted Image


Touche.

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I still don't buy that Anderson, a career military man dies from a SINGLE GUNSHOT WOUND TO THE SIDE while wearing armor.

Sorry, I don't buy it.

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

I still don't buy that Anderson, a career military man dies from a SINGLE GUNSHOT WOUND TO THE SIDE while wearing armor.

Sorry, I don't buy it.


Possibly his shields were broken. I think armour is relatively crap because they use shields instead.

It's just speculation like.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Byakuren2009 wrote...

IT is not reimagining or changing the actual endings, it explains them and extends them :)


I support this post ^ =)


Thanks, it's how I feel and I still believe in IT until the DLC proves me IT is right or wrong :)

Modifié par Byakuren2009, 07 avril 2012 - 05:46 .


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Black Swan was a little different because Portman was going insane in the movie

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

I still don't buy that Anderson, a career military man dies from a SINGLE GUNSHOT WOUND TO THE SIDE while wearing armor.

Sorry, I don't buy it.


For me, it's more that Shepard ends up with a bullet wound where s/he shot Anderson. :wizard:

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And how did Shepard get that wound?

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but i can see the similarity because she was going insane because of the pressure of being the lead role

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Black Swan was a little different because Portman was going insane in the movie


What's indoctrination but conditioned insanity?

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Reposting, just so people can see what I meant (i.e., NOT that ME3 is all about Shepard going insane):

Okay, SPOILER ALERT for Black Swan.

My point was in the scene where Portman comes back from the club, once her mother comes out, Mila Kunis is shown only in the reflection of a mirror and then she disappears. The next time she's seen in when Portman's going to her room.

This is similar to when, just as Shepard spots the kid at the evacuation zone, Kaidan/Ashley slips off screen, and isn't seen until Shepard heads into the Normandy to order them to head for the Citadel. This little trick of cinematography could lend credence to the idea the the child is a hallucination.

It could also just be coincidental. But I thought the similarities were very cool, and just wanted to share.

Modifié par Kyzee, 07 avril 2012 - 05:48 .


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Pathero wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Kyzee wrote...

The lesbain part wasn't why I . . . argh. :pinched:

Does anyone see the point I was trying to make?

I think so. The entire ME3 ending was Shedard's internal monologue?


Until they get something to patch over those plot holes I'm sticking with IDT.

Actually I'm starting to believe that the Alternate Universe in Fringe uses Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC's to patch the holes in the Universe.  If it can patch the plot holes in ME3's ending, anything is possible.

*Starts Petition to have Bioware rename the DLC 'Amber'

lol. That is a great idea.

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This is slightly off-topic but has anyone ever come up with a solid counter argument for IT that explains why the GodChild is the little boy

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Extended ending clarification:
http://sirestyx.brav...nding comic.png

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Hmm..

If you listen closely.. very closely.. to when Anderson gets shot, you can hear two grunts. If you play as a FemShep, you hear more of a female sounding one, and when you play MaleShep, you hear a more male sounding one. Try it for yourself.

Not the second one which sounds like more like a "aah". That's probably "Anderson"'s grunt. The first one.

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UrgedDuke wrote...

This is slightly off-topic but has anyone ever come up with a solid counter argument for IT that explains why the GodChild is the little boy


I don't think so. Most of the counter arguments are that EA and bioware were lazy/evil or something.

Along this sort of route, I'm wondering what evidence we have through the story for the ending we got?
I mean, if we can find evidence for IT we should find GOOD evidence for the godchild, the control/synthesis/destroy endings and the magic survival of Shepard and citadel concrete.