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[Big G13]

Sire Styx wrote...

Extended ending clarification:
http://sirestyx.brav...nding comic.png

I saw that when it was posted a couple of days ago. Loved it then. Love it now

[Simon_Says]

Well, I notice a lot more people are now jumping off the IT bandwagon. So much for holding the line.

Maybe IT wasn't their original intent, but I'm not going to stop arguing that it should be part of the extended cut ending. People have argued that IT theory can easily twist facts to suit the theory, but I argue that the opposite is true. The theory simply fits the facts we have found, and we haven't found any solid evidence from the series to indicate that IT is not a possibility. Indeed, every counter argument to IT relies on meta-evidence.

All that implies is that IT was not what was intended, not that it doesn't actually make sense.

[Erethrian]

Byakuren2009 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Byakuren2009 wrote...

IT is not reimagining or changing the actual endings, it explains them and extends them

I support this post ^ =)

Thanks, it's how I feel and I still believe in IT until the DLC proves me IT is right or wrong

Exactly. Some people may not buy IT, I'm fine with that, if IT is true (which I think ) I'll be happy, and if not, but they explain everything with this "Extended Cut", I'll be happy too. But for now, no one can say to me "Oh, IT is wrong because I don't like it!".

[Big G13]

ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION!
Before I go I would like to encourage all IDT fans to check out jadebaby88's FanFic indoctrination ending. It is a work in progress, but if the first post is any indication, it is going to be very good. See you all Sunday morning. Hold the line.

[Sire Styx]

Big G13 wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

Extended ending clarification:
http://sirestyx.brav...nding comic.png

I saw that when it was posted a couple of days ago. Loved it then. Love it now

I just thought I'd repost it again lol.
It still makes more sense than the actual endings :|

Atm I'm TRYING to find evidence that actually backs up the endings. In that liveblog pax thing, is says how the Citadel has emergency seals to keep the atmosphere in and so people can survive. This suggests that Shepard may actually be alive on the citadel.
Thing is that just raises more issues. What is the life expectancy of a person hurtling towards earth on what is essentially a meteor?
People on the arms may or may not be alive, but if it hits the earth they're probably going to die, along with anyone who is unfortunate to get hit by it.

[Fhaarkas]

Sire Styx wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

This is slightly off-topic but has anyone ever come up with a solid counter argument for IT that explains why the GodChild is the little boy

I don't think so. Most of the counter arguments are that EA and bioware were lazy/evil or something.

Along this sort of route, I'm wondering what evidence we have through the story for the ending we got?
I mean, if we can find evidence for IT we should find GOOD evidence for the godchild, the control/synthesis/destroy endings and the magic survival of Shepard and citadel concrete.

Additional read: Hudson's comment on how he wanted the game to have a polarizing effect on the fanbase or something. 

There is no good evidence/rationalization for them, hence the DLC IMO. Well, there are some analysis out there, but one thing that's clear - it was poorly done, and the message didn't get through. As it stands, everything that happened during the ending is heavily in favour of IT. The DLC will probably serve to address this and 'balance' the two 'sides'.

In any case, regardless of whether IT is gonna be denied, confirmed or left open for speculation I think it''s fine as long as it all makes sense in the end. It's their brainchild afterall.

Modifié par Fhaarkas, 07 avril 2012 - 06:14 .

[Simon_Says]

Also, I just realized something.

What was eezo and the mass effect itself if not Space Magic™?

[im commander shep]

While its very nice and quite suprising of them to give the extended cut DLC free, but I still don't see how they can expand on the ending that made so little sense. I mean how much can they say about a LI that is stranded on a planet and how the hell they ended up there. There is still plenty more to come and I belive IT is what they had planned all along.

[FrostByte-GER]

RIght back from ME3 Multiplayer Some significant news from the PAX?

[lex0r11]

Simon_Says wrote...

Also, I just realized something.

What was eezo and the mass effect itself if not Space Magic™?

But didn't they at least try to explain those two realistically?
I think they did a good job of describing Mass Effect's 'magic powers' for their classes.

Modifié par lex0r11, 07 avril 2012 - 06:21 .

[Riion]

Simon_Says wrote...

Also, I just realized something.

What was eezo and the mass effect itself if not Space Magic™?

Every work of fiction requires some suspension of disbelief. However, to me, the current ending feels like the ending of the Inheritance Trilogy (Except the parts before the end was actually good in ME...). There's magic, and you accept that as part of the story universe. But then the ending is the main character turning the antagonist into a thermonuclear explosion. I mean, sure, I could accept it with increasing my levels of suspension of disbelief, but there are still some limits >>

Modifié par Riion, 07 avril 2012 - 06:21 .

[Jadebaby]

UrgedDuke wrote...

This is slightly off-topic but has anyone ever come up with a solid counter argument for IT that explains why the GodChild is the little boy

haven't heard any but all I could say is that he chose to become a sympathetic form shepard would appeal too. Which he/she did. Without question, that was the stupidest thing, Shepard actually talked to him like a child lol.

As opposed to a genocidal maniac of course.

[Jadebaby]

Simon_Says wrote...

Also, I just realized something.

What was eezo and the mass effect itself if not Space Magic™?

I get where you're going but it was implented a LOT better, it was that one element they needed to turn to for biotics and relays etc....

I looked at it as a science over magic...

[UrgedDuke]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

This is slightly off-topic but has anyone ever come up with a solid counter argument for IT that explains why the GodChild is the little boy

haven't heard any but all I could say is that he chose to become a sympathetic form shepard would appeal too. Which he/she did. Without question, that was the stupidest thing, Shepard actually talked to him like a child lol.

As opposed to a genocidal maniac of course.

I HATE!!! what Bioware did with the stupid Godchild because it turns Mass Effect from a sci-fi to a fantasy story and ruins the entire series. I just can't get over why they thought that would be a good idea:(

[Jadebaby]

For Lex0r...

[Jadebaby]

UrgedDuke wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

This is slightly off-topic but has anyone ever come up with a solid counter argument for IT that explains why the GodChild is the little boy

haven't heard any but all I could say is that he chose to become a sympathetic form shepard would appeal too. Which he/she did. Without question, that was the stupidest thing, Shepard actually talked to him like a child lol.

As opposed to a genocidal maniac of course.

I HATE!!! what Bioware did with the stupid Godchild because it turns Mass Effect from a sci-fi to a fantasy story and ruins the entire series. I just can't get over why they thought that would be a good idea:(

Don't worry, in the Extended cut DLC It will be revealed his from the fade....

[blooregard]

pirate1802 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Say did they ever blatently come out and say that "The Truth" DLC was false? I know they did that for "Terminator" and "Mass Shift" but did they ever say that about "The Truth"?

All they said was "Do you think we would actually call it "the truth"? Never acually said anything more abuot it other then the name.

What are "terminator" and "Mass Shift" ? Similar rumoured DLCs?

"Terminator" was a DLC that takes place with from what I could understand takes place after the crucible fires. There's a war in the solar system over remaining resources and you play as your squad mates trying to find technology to piece shepard back together.


"Mass Shift" was the so-called next game coming out where you get a naked Volus, a biotic Elcor and a Hanar that was intended to be the last squad mate you unlock in place of Kasumi (the reason for this is apparently Kasumi was modeled after one of the dev's wife/girlfriend who always brought cookies to the dev team)


But Mass Shift and "Terminator" smelled like a heaping crock of **** form the get-go

[Kyzee]

Riion wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Also, I just realized something.

What was eezo and the mass effect itself if not Space Magic™?

Every work of fiction requires some suspension of disbelief. However, to me, the current ending feels like the ending of the Inheritance Trilogy (Except the parts before the end was actually good in ME...). There's magic, and you accept that as part of the story universe. But then the ending is the main character turning the antagonist into a thermonuclear explosion. I mean, sure, I could accept it with increasing my levels of suspension of disbelief, but there are still some limits >>

Hence one of the reasons why people are so upset about it. Spot on.

Speaking of, I just wanted to say that your signature quote is fantastic. Well played, sir/madam. 

And on that note, I'm taking a break from speculating. Time for some good old DA:O, I think. Will check back later for any news. Was fun chatting with you all. Please stay civil in the meanwhile. 

[Simon_Says]

I was more just trying to make an amusing observation with the old m.effect/space magic business.
It actually does open some hope that it can be explained, no?

Anyway, the Starbrat's image confirms, IT or not, that it had gotten into Shepard's mind. No question about it. Which means that Shepard's mind is compromised. Unless the Starbrat/Reaper somehow generated a hologram during the escape from Earth. Somehow.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 07 avril 2012 - 06:30 .

[blooregard]

Sire Styx wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

This is slightly off-topic but has anyone ever come up with a solid counter argument for IT that explains why the GodChild is the little boy

I don't think so. Most of the counter arguments are that EA and bioware were lazy/evil or something.

Along this sort of route, I'm wondering what evidence we have through the story for the ending we got?
I mean, if we can find evidence for IT we should find GOOD evidence for the godchild, the control/synthesis/destroy endings and the magic survival of Shepard and citadel concrete.

I think the best counter argument against the starchild is (at the end anyway) is that the real catalyst doesn't want to scare the ****** out of Shepard so takes a comprehendable form in the shape of the duct rat that got vaporized twice.

[lex0r11]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

For Lex0r...

*image snipped*

Another motivational disciple is born.

I am so proud.
*manly tears*

[Sire Styx]

Yeah, there's a difference between a well explained, backed up, consistant (if not scientifically accurate) idea in a story/game and something which seems to be made up on the spot.

All through the series, a big part of it is to do with Eezo and mass effect fields. The last 5 minutes introduced space magic which can fuse synthetics and organics to make new DNA (no evidence for this AT ALL throughout the story), space magic teleportation, space magic that allows Shepard to survive massive explosions.... etc etc

[balance5050]

Simon_Says wrote...

I was more just trying to make an amusing observation with the old m.effect/space magic business.
It actually does open some hope that it can be explained, no?

Anyway, the Starbrat's image confirms, IT or not, that it had gotten into Shepard's mind. No question about it. Which means that Shepard's mind is compromised. Unless the Starbrat/Reaper somehow generated a hologram during the escape from Earth. Somehow.

Indeed, they seem to elaborate more on this in the Geth concensus mission, while you were plugged in Legion explains that things are represented by your memories of them, might explain why there are repeating patterns and familiar things about the end.

[Sire Styx]

blooregard wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

This is slightly off-topic but has anyone ever come up with a solid counter argument for IT that explains why the GodChild is the little boy

I don't think so. Most of the counter arguments are that EA and bioware were lazy/evil or something.

Along this sort of route, I'm wondering what evidence we have through the story for the ending we got?
I mean, if we can find evidence for IT we should find GOOD evidence for the godchild, the control/synthesis/destroy endings and the magic survival of Shepard and citadel concrete.

I think the best counter argument against the starchild is (at the end anyway) is that the real catalyst doesn't want to scare the ****** out of Shepard so takes a comprehendable form in the shape of the duct rat that got vaporized twice.

This ending DLC needs to explain (among other thigns) how the catalyst can see into Shepards mind. There's no evidence for this throughout ME.

Edit: oh, yeah, there's evidence with the geth stuff. But you were actually plugged in to their machine. Unless that's happening in the ending I still don't see how the catalyst knows.

Modifié par Sire Styx, 07 avril 2012 - 06:39 .

[k-stigus]

As much as I like IT, looks like its dead. Maybe they'll change their approach as summer comes, but seems like a longshot

I wonder if they didn't go with IT out of their own hubris for their "art"