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[IronSabbath88]

k-stigus wrote...

As much as I like IT, looks like its dead. Maybe they'll change their approach as summer comes, but seems like a longshot

I wonder if they didn't go with IT out of their own hubris for their "art"

How is it dead? I'm tired of people saying it's dead. BioWare didn't confirm it, nor deny it.

[balance5050]

k-stigus wrote...

As much as I like IT, looks like its dead. Maybe they'll change their approach as summer comes, but seems like a longshot

I wonder if they didn't go with IT out of their own hubris for their "art"

OK, I'll just let this random dude tell me how to interpret the endings<_<

[im commander shep]

Something has just occured to me,

Bioware has kept saying the ending won't change and that the DLC will just expand on it. But the key with IT is that it's not the end we have seen. We have only seen the beginning of the end so IT could be completely true along with everything bioware is currently saying.

Another thought..

What if some pay DLC is released before the extended cut and this does build on the ending being confirm IT etc, and then the extended cut finishes on from here. Either way something about the end and the way bioware are handling it still does not add up.

[DusalisDrake]

k-stigus wrote...

As much as I like IT, looks like its dead. Maybe they'll change their approach as summer comes, but seems like a longshot

I wonder if they didn't go with IT out of their own hubris for their "art"

Dead? I don't think so. As far as it being planned from the beginning? Yeah, I'd say that is. We don't know what they'll give us this summer, and that's the hope that IT still has left.

[Jadebaby]

lex0r11 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

For Lex0r...

*image snipped*

Another motivational disciple is born.

I am so proud.
*manly tears*

Yep =)

[balance5050]

DusalisDrake wrote...

k-stigus wrote...

As much as I like IT, looks like its dead. Maybe they'll change their approach as summer comes, but seems like a longshot

I wonder if they didn't go with IT out of their own hubris for their "art"

Dead? I don't think so. As far as it being planned from the beginning? Yeah, I'd say that is. We don't know what they'll give us this summer, and that's the hope that IT still has left.

They can't ever fess up to IT without being accused of selling an incomplete game. 

[DusalisDrake]

balance5050 wrote...

DusalisDrake wrote...

k-stigus wrote...

As much as I like IT, looks like its dead. Maybe they'll change their approach as summer comes, but seems like a longshot

I wonder if they didn't go with IT out of their own hubris for their "art"

Dead? I don't think so. As far as it being planned from the beginning? Yeah, I'd say that is. We don't know what they'll give us this summer, and that's the hope that IT still has left.

They can't ever fess up to IT without being accused of selling an incomplete game. 

True enough.

[UrgedDuke]

If IT is dead then Bioware is dead to us unless they have a better or equally good explanation and the LT is not nearly good enough

[Jadebaby]

oh btw, on topic, i had some thoughts the other day but buried it in my fanfic writing, here...

After playing the game through a 2nd time and scrutinizing everything I came to this conclusion:

It can't be real, Anderson said he was dropped somewhere else, there's not only one way in to the control room, but only one way from all the way to the beam..

If Anderson represents Shepards resistance to Indoctrination on the way up to the control room he says "wow, the wall just realigned itself, like it's changing, shifting."
This could be indicate that that part of Shepards mind is noticing the indoctrination.

Also, notice the similiarities here?
Saren "... But you would undo my work, and doom our entire civilization and for that, you must die."

TIM: "You.. you'd undo everything I've accomplished. I won't let that happen"

[DusalisDrake]

UrgedDuke wrote...

If IT is dead then Bioware is dead to us unless they have a better or equally good explanation and the LT is not nearly good enough

I think those "dead to us" kind of statements are a bit an overreaction. You have to admit you enjoyed every bit of the series you played except for those last few minutes. And I think they'll do good in explaining the ending (if it's a literal interpretation) if the hints Jessica Merizan is giving are anything to go on.

Modifié par DusalisDrake, 07 avril 2012 - 07:00 .

[balance5050]

UrgedDuke wrote...

If IT is dead then Bioware is dead to us unless they have a better or equally good explanation and the LT is not nearly good enough

How likely is it in your mind that they come up with something better? I'm not a genious or anything but I just don't see a better end than I.T., the foreshadowing for I.T. is phenominal campared to . Even if they use some "energy can be changed" type thing to explain the relays exploding. There would have to be an explanation as to how it affects every organism in the galaxy, even plants. The amount of energy and computing power needed to do that is something that doesn't happen inthis dimension. The Codex says that even during that time, only 1% of planets have been explored.

[UrgedDuke]

balance5050 wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

If IT is dead then Bioware is dead to us unless they have a better or equally good explanation and the LT is not nearly good enough

How likely is it in your mind that they come up with something better? I'm not a genious or anything but I just don't see a better end than I.T., the foreshadowing for I.T. is phenominal campared to . Even if they use some "energy can be changed" type thing to explain the relays exploding. There would have to be an explanation as to how it affects every organism in the galaxy, even plants. The amount of energy and computing power needed to do that is something that doesn't happen inthis dimension. The Codex says that even during that time, only 1% of planets have been explored.

Bioware has to realize that if they halfa** their explanation in the dlc its just going to ****** the fans off even more

Modifié par UrgedDuke, 07 avril 2012 - 07:07 .

[IronSabbath88]

Renegade Shepard during the ending actually asks TIM why bother with him if he wants to control the Reapers.

"I need you to believe."

Why would TIM need Shepard to believe? Why not just off him right there? Enough said.

[Rifneno]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

How is it dead? I'm tired of people saying it's dead. BioWare didn't confirm it, nor deny it.

What, you want to hear the logic behind assuming IT is dead? Because that's like asking to see a vampire's reflection.

[Simon_Says]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Renegade Shepard during the ending actually asks TIM why bother with him if he wants to control the Reapers.

"I need you to believe."

Why would TIM need Shepard to believe? Why not just off him right there? Enough said.

*Ding ding ding ding ding.*

[balance5050]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Renegade Shepard during the ending actually asks TIM why bother with him if he wants to control the Reapers.

"I need you to believe."

Why would TIM need Shepard to believe? Why not just off him right there? Enough said.

Yeah, that is a JUICY peice of dialogue, I quote that a lot. Why does The Indoctrinated Man need me to beleive he can control the reapers?

The strong willed characters always have a reason to be on the side of the Reapers, they don't just do it thinking they will let them live into the next cycle, they are given a reason tothink they are special, just like Shepard at the end. 

Modifié par balance5050, 07 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

I feel for Saren. poor guy :'(

[blooregard]

Rifneno wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

How is it dead? I'm tired of people saying it's dead. BioWare didn't confirm it, nor deny it.

What, you want to hear the logic behind assuming IT is dead? Because that's like asking to see a vampire's reflection.

The logic behind their reason is the (vague) press releases that state they won't change the ending (indoc doesn't need changed ending) and yesterday's comment on it (or lack of) stating that it "shows the fans um commitment"

[Peer of the Empire]

I'm constantly amazed at how IT would be debunkers think. A cautionary tale; I better stop missing sleep and drinking

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 07 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[Eudaemonium]

I don't really think IT was ever Bioware's intention. Whether they run with it now is another matter alltogether. From what they said at PAX, it looks like (at least for the moment) they're leaving the ending up to interpretation, and leaving IT as one valid interpretation.

[balance5050]

Eudaemonium wrote...

I don't really think IT was ever Bioware's intention. Whether they run with it now is another matter alltogether. From what they said at PAX, it looks like (at least for the moment) they're leaving the ending up to interpretation, and leaving IT as one valid interpretation.

It was their intention for at least a while according to the final hours app. It's the only interpretation that makes sense when held up to the rest of the story.

Modifié par balance5050, 07 avril 2012 - 07:26 .

[Fhaarkas]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Renegade Shepard during the ending actually asks TIM why bother with him if he wants to control the Reapers.

"I need you to believe."

Why would TIM need Shepard to believe? Why not just off him right there? Enough said.

Oh yeah that was weird too.

[blooregard]

Does anybody else try avoiding using the phrase "I'm not saying the indoctrination theory is true but all the evidence is there" simply to try not sounding like Gergio Tsoukalos

[KneeTheCap]

At the beginning:

TIM to Shepard "I'm certainly not looking for your approval"

At the end:
TIM to Shepard "I need you to believe"

What O.o ?