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#33201
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Also, why would they have ditched that last conversation with Anderson? It's a beautiful scene...

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Simon_Says wrote...

Also, why would they have ditched that last conversation with Anderson? It's a beautiful scene...


I believe that this is used if you didn't romance anyone in the game

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crazyeye343 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Also, why would they have ditched that last conversation with Anderson? It's a beautiful scene...


I believe that this is used if you didn't romance anyone in the game


Nope. I didn't romance with anyone.

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The only thing that has really been shown is that the likelihood of Bioware having planned something special is about the same likelihood as Shepard surviving the citadel explosion in red

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Golferguy758 wrote...

The only thing that has really been shown is that the likelihood of Bioware having planned something special is about the same likelihood as Shepard surviving the citadel explosion in red


Unless you're paying attention, of course.  Then you might wonder why they said things like "hardest day ever!  if you knew what we had planned... well, save your games" combined with the 8.3 billion indoctrination clues in the game.

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Rifneno wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

The only thing that has really been shown is that the likelihood of Bioware having planned something special is about the same likelihood as Shepard surviving the citadel explosion in red


Unless you're paying attention, of course.  Then you might wonder why they said things like "hardest day ever!  if you knew what we had planned... well, save your games" combined with the 8.3 billion indoctrination clues in the game.


Yeah, I don't really know how to make sense of all the disparate and seemingly contradictory statements that have been made by Bioware people.  I really and truly do not have a clue about what's going on now, what they originally planned and what they are going to deliver in the future.  I'm just going to wait and see.

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Big Bad wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

The only thing that has really been shown is that the likelihood of Bioware having planned something special is about the same likelihood as Shepard surviving the citadel explosion in red


Unless you're paying attention, of course.  Then you might wonder why they said things like "hardest day ever!  if you knew what we had planned... well, save your games" combined with the 8.3 billion indoctrination clues in the game.


Yeah, I don't really know how to make sense of all the disparate and seemingly contradictory statements that have been made by Bioware people.  I really and truly do not have a clue about what's going on now, what they originally planned and what they are going to deliver in the future.  I'm just going to wait and see.


Eh, we'll see. I'm just trying to be realistic in how things are most likely going to play out. Do I sitll think IT is possible?yes. Do i think that was their intent at release as something more than "speculate since it MIGHT be indoctrination. Probably not.

We'll see how that expanded dlc turns out

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

BioWare didn't confirm it, nor deny it.



Guess your right, but I can't say I'm bursting with optimism

Who knows, maybe their PR answers to the dlc are supposed to be as convoluted as the endings

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Maybe some of the Bioware directive suffer some bipolar disorder. Anyway, I'm glad to see that the trolls have fled. Yesterday (well, yesterday for me at least) this was just like this...

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And I'm finally got the signature i was looking for. :)

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k-stigus wrote...

As much as I like IT, looks like its dead. Maybe they'll change their approach as summer comes, but seems like a longshot

I wonder if they didn't go with IT out of their own hubris for their "art"


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So, somehow I managed to sleep until 4:30pm EST. (Its the weekend, dont judge me!)

Did Bioware say anything at PAX today?

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What has Bioware said on Twitter?

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How is is everyone doing with the Trolls? Has it died down a bit?

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masster blaster wrote...

What has Bioware said on Twitter?


Not sure but https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect said nothing new. They linked all questions about the extended ending DLC to the blog with the information from yesterday(I think?)

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Golferguy758 wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

The only thing that has really been shown is that the likelihood of Bioware having planned something special is about the same likelihood as Shepard surviving the citadel explosion in red


Unless you're paying attention, of course.  Then you might wonder why they said things like "hardest day ever!  if you knew what we had planned... well, save your games" combined with the 8.3 billion indoctrination clues in the game.


Yeah, I don't really know how to make sense of all the disparate and seemingly contradictory statements that have been made by Bioware people.  I really and truly do not have a clue about what's going on now, what they originally planned and what they are going to deliver in the future.  I'm just going to wait and see.


Eh, we'll see. I'm just trying to be realistic in how things are most likely going to play out. Do I sitll think IT is possible?yes. Do i think that was their intent at release as something more than "speculate since it MIGHT be indoctrination. Probably not.

We'll see how that expanded dlc turns out



Well we all know the new DLC will come out in the summer time, but I fear that if Bioware doesn't react to the fans quickly. Then Bioware is going to lose lots of fans just to take more time in improving the ending. I say that if the fans leave then they weren't true loyal fasn to begain with. I am just saying.

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Big Bad wrote...

Yeah, I don't really know how to make sense of all the disparate and seemingly contradictory statements that have been made by Bioware people. I really and truly do not have a clue about what's going on now, what they originally planned and what they are going to deliver in the future. I'm just going to wait and see.


I don't know why they're so vague and dodgy about everything either. It's like trying to hit a phantom with a katana from 200 feet. But all the people screaming "WOE IS ME!" at the cloud of ambiguous nothing that they've given us the past few days really need to remember stuff that's happened more than 48 hours ago. They talked a lot about the ending before release. A lot.

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…"

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people."

"That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them."


There's nothing ambiguous about those statements. And they're simply bald-faced lies... unless, you know, this isn't over.

Oh, and that "The Truth" DLC everyone wrote off as garbage? Go back and look at the "fake" screenshot that came with it. A bunch of multiplayer race/class combos were part of it. Geth engineer/infiltrator, Batarian solder/sentinel, Krogan battlemaster, Asari justicar. Now look at the ones we're getting Resurgence DLC. Geth engineer/infiltrator, Batarian solder/sentinel, Krogan battlemaster, Asari justicar. WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

Those who fell holding the line were weak.

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Rifneno wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Yeah, I don't really know how to make sense of all the disparate and seemingly contradictory statements that have been made by Bioware people. I really and truly do not have a clue about what's going on now, what they originally planned and what they are going to deliver in the future. I'm just going to wait and see.


I don't know why they're so vague and dodgy about everything either. It's like trying to hit a phantom with a katana from 200 feet. But all the people screaming "WOE IS ME!" at the cloud of ambiguous nothing that they've given us the past few days really need to remember stuff that's happened more than 48 hours ago. They talked a lot about the ending before release. A lot.

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…"

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people."

"That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them."


There's nothing ambiguous about those statements. And they're simply bald-faced lies... unless, you know, this isn't over.

Oh, and that "The Truth" DLC everyone wrote off as garbage? Go back and look at the "fake" screenshot that came with it. A bunch of multiplayer race/class combos were part of it. Geth engineer/infiltrator, Batarian solder/sentinel, Krogan battlemaster, Asari justicar. Now look at the ones we're getting Resurgence DLC. Geth engineer/infiltrator, Batarian solder/sentinel, Krogan battlemaster, Asari justicar. WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

Those who fell holding the line were weak.


I'm glad you're seeing the big picture, you saw this video from Comic Con 2011 right?
http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s 

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Rifneno wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Yeah, I don't really know how to make sense of all the disparate and seemingly contradictory statements that have been made by Bioware people. I really and truly do not have a clue about what's going on now, what they originally planned and what they are going to deliver in the future. I'm just going to wait and see.


I don't know why they're so vague and dodgy about everything either. It's like trying to hit a phantom with a katana from 200 feet. But all the people screaming "WOE IS ME!" at the cloud of ambiguous nothing that they've given us the past few days really need to remember stuff that's happened more than 48 hours ago. They talked a lot about the ending before release. A lot.

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…"

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people."

"That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them."


There's nothing ambiguous about those statements. And they're simply bald-faced lies... unless, you know, this isn't over.

Oh, and that "The Truth" DLC everyone wrote off as garbage? Go back and look at the "fake" screenshot that came with it. A bunch of multiplayer race/class combos were part of it. Geth engineer/infiltrator, Batarian solder/sentinel, Krogan battlemaster, Asari justicar. Now look at the ones we're getting Resurgence DLC. Geth engineer/infiltrator, Batarian solder/sentinel, Krogan battlemaster, Asari justicar. WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

Those who fell holding the line were weak.


The statements they have released are the reason I've been stuck on the fense. On one hand, yes, at the end the writing could have taken a "huh?" kind of turn as with what we got, but on the other it could be a giant twist. So I don't know what to believe at this point, and my reason for not fully going to one side is the plain and simple fact that I don't want to get my hopes up too high for anything in particular.

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From what I can tell about Bioware I think that they did not want to release the true ending because one the people who hate ME were going to ruin the ME story by giving us the true ending, Two Bioware needed more time to complete the ending because they had to go back to ME ME2 and Now ME3 to view the choices we made over the series and combine all of our choices that will tie it all up at the end of ME3. And third I think that Bioware wanted to make Mass Effect remember able so they are going to let the fans deiced how it is going to end and will take all of our feed back and create the ending we envision.

Modifié par masster blaster, 07 avril 2012 - 09:37 .


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masster blaster wrote...

From what I can tell about Bioware I think that they did not want to release the true ending because one the people who hate ME were going to ruin the ME story by giving us the true ending, Two Bioware needed more time to complete the ending because they had to go back to ME ME and Now ME3 to view the choices we made over the series and combine all of our choices that will tie it all up at the end of ME3. And third I think that Bioware wanted to make Mass Effect remember able so they are going to let the fans deiced how it is going to end and will take all of our feed back and create the ending we envision.


I really hope your right.

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masster blaster wrote...

From what I can tell about Bioware I think that they did not want to release the true ending because one the people who hate ME were going to ruin the ME story by giving us the true ending, Two Bioware needed more time to complete the ending because they had to go back to ME ME and Now ME3 to view the choices we made over the series and combine all of our choices that will tie it all up at the end of ME3. And third I think that Bioware wanted to make Mass Effect remember able so they are going to let the fans deiced how it is going to end and will take all of our feed back and create the ending we envision.


Bottom line it's a wait and see... and I hate waiting Posted Image

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I´m just glad that when the IT is confirmed I can say "I held the line against all odds and when our numbers were decreasing by the day." Just wait and see :)

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balance5050 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Yeah, I don't really know how to make sense of all the disparate and seemingly contradictory statements that have been made by Bioware people. I really and truly do not have a clue about what's going on now, what they originally planned and what they are going to deliver in the future. I'm just going to wait and see.


I don't know why they're so vague and dodgy about everything either. It's like trying to hit a phantom with a katana from 200 feet. But all the people screaming "WOE IS ME!" at the cloud of ambiguous nothing that they've given us the past few days really need to remember stuff that's happened more than 48 hours ago. They talked a lot about the ending before release. A lot.

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…"

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people."

"That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them."


There's nothing ambiguous about those statements. And they're simply bald-faced lies... unless, you know, this isn't over.

Oh, and that "The Truth" DLC everyone wrote off as garbage? Go back and look at the "fake" screenshot that came with it. A bunch of multiplayer race/class combos were part of it. Geth engineer/infiltrator, Batarian solder/sentinel, Krogan battlemaster, Asari justicar. Now look at the ones we're getting Resurgence DLC. Geth engineer/infiltrator, Batarian solder/sentinel, Krogan battlemaster, Asari justicar. WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

Those who fell holding the line were weak.


I'm glad you're seeing the big picture, you saw this video from Comic Con 2011 right?
http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s 



Thanks, I couldn´t find this video anymore. I think this is the most suspicious thing at all. Bioware planned something before the game was released and it was probably the IT (seems logical to me...).
One possibilty we didn´t think of might be that the devs are still working on the planned DLC but they needed more time. Also they might haven´t thought the fans would hate the current endings so much and now they are afraid of another ****storm if they´d announce that we buyed an unfinished game with an ending yet to come. So they just say they develop this DLC because of the complaints and it was not planned at all.

I know I´m grasping at strawas right now but I just can´t wait till summer and these PR-statements with no clear information make me crazy...

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Rifneno wrote...
Oh, and that "The Truth" DLC everyone wrote off as garbage? Go back and look at the "fake" screenshot that came with it. A bunch of multiplayer race/class combos were part of it. Geth engineer/infiltrator, Batarian solder/sentinel, Krogan battlemaster, Asari justicar. Now look at the ones we're getting Resurgence DLC. Geth engineer/infiltrator, Batarian solder/sentinel, Krogan battlemaster, Asari justicar. WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

Those who fell holding the line were weak.


I'm glad you pointed this out, I was worried I was going to have to type it all out myself (haven't seen anyone else mention it, weirdly). No-one seems to want to acknowledge that this "fake" leak turned out to be 100% accurate. And what else did that leak say? Oh yeah, that's right:

"The ending was half-assed because of the leak. They changed it at the last minute so they could have more time to prepare the real ending via DLC."
Also, there's something that doesn't add up. Jessica Merizan (<3) said "it's absolutely possible to reuinte with your LI." However BioWare have said they're "not re-writing or re-imagining the endings." Correct me if I'm wrong, but the current "endings" don't let you reuinte with your LI - in fact, they do the polar opposite by sending your LI to the other side of the galaxy. If they're not re-writing or re-imagining the endings, but it's 100% possible to reuinte with your love interest, then the only possible conclusion is that the IT was the plan all along, and the ending will continue in line with IT without needing any re-write or re-imagining, culminating in the possible reunion between Shep and LI.  

EDIT: formatting went all screwy.

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Man, playing ME2 right now.

I really miss Harbinger in ME3.

Also "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction."

Oh, really, Harbinger?