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#33251
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Maybe there will be something on PAX Final Round ??

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RealStyli wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

someone should tell them that their vague half-answers causes people to misconstrue what they say. They need to give us some absolute answers to set the record straight


They're not going to do that. As much as we may want them to, they're not going to "spoil" the new ending. In honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if they're still writing how to "clarify" their endings.

I look forward to knowing:
  • Why Harbinger left Shepard to live
  • How Anderson managed to get to the control room first when he followed Shep
  • Why Anderson didn't wait
  • Why the "Starchild" saved Shepard and gave him/her the option to break the cycle at all
  • Why Joker turned and ran from the fight completely breaking character
  • How my squad got onboard the Normandy
  • How Shep survived getting blown up
  • How the solar system survived the Relay explosion
  • How the "aliens" will survive on that new Eden
Of course, the vast majority of those can be explained with the Indoctrination Theory but I can't wait to see how they explain those without I.T.... 


Sorry, I think another good question is why the Catalyst looks like the kid on Earth.

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IT relies on accepting "evidence" that supports it and rejecting everything else as false.


The self contradiction in this statement is hilarious. 

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GBGriffin wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Cucobr wrote...

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GBGriffin is gonna have one hard time soaking this in.


I will? This is just more of the same; they don't want to alienate the IT believers who are giving them way more credit than they deserve.

Again, Merizan is a PR rep, not a dev. Her job is to appease people, downplay some of the anger and disappointment,  and keep the faith alive. Remember, she thought the Normandy crashed on Earth, then maybe Mars. I haven't put much stock in her claims lately, but, again, the IT relies on accepting "evidence" that supports it and rejecting everything else as false.

So, go to town with your speculation. I do find it humorous that you felt the need to single me out in your response, when I have avoided posting in the thread since last night and was content to keep on avoiding it.





I smell someone in denial.

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atum wrote...

IT relies on accepting "evidence" that supports it and rejecting everything else as false.


The self contradiction in this statement is hilarious. 


To clarify, everything that doesn't support the IT can be dismissed, and anything can be twisted to support it.

Seriously, people have been dismissing "evidence" to the contrary, whereas I maintain that all of the in-game evidence can be explained by poor writing or bad design, as well as the out of game "evidence".

I'm not rejecting anything, merely offering an alternative explanation that people seem content to dismiss because it doesn't support their theory.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...


I smell someone in denial.


If I'm in denial over a conspiracy theory being true, I'm okay with that.

To me, it's fine to deny that a fan-made conspiracy theory is true rather to deny that a fan-made conspiracy theory is false.

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Repeating because it's just that sweet:
The "fake" The Truth leak included info about new MP races. Every one of them is being released on the 10th. It was accurate to the letter.

But no, they didn't have anything planned. Lawl.

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Rifneno wrote...

Repeating because it's just that sweet:
The "fake" The Truth leak included info about new MP races. Every one of them is being released on the 10th. It was accurate to the letter.

But no, they didn't have anything planned. Lawl.


It actually promised a Prothean and a Collector Ship level that are not there, iirc.

*edit* Ah, good, found the quote. I knew I wasn't making this up:

It’s called The Truth and it’s being released in April or May. You WILL be able to continue the story if you picked any of the endings. Your decision during that sequence will have a big effect on your ending of The Truth. The Truth adds two new sets of enemies, new classes, and multiplayer maps including “Firebase Hive”, which is a small area of the last remaining collector ship included in the DLC, which, by the way you should definitely bring Javik the Prothean along if you have him.The picture here shows some of the leaked multiplayer classes and races. One race that isn’t shown is the Prothean Adept and Vanguard. This DLC also enables the ability for owners of the preorder and From Ashes DLC to find their DLC weapons in reinforcement packs


That actually doesn't sound like what we're getting :)

Modifié par GBGriffin, 07 avril 2012 - 10:18 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Repeating because it's just that sweet:
The "fake" The Truth leak included info about new MP races. Every one of them is being released on the 10th. It was accurate to the letter.

But no, they didn't have anything planned. Lawl.

I origianlly didn't believe it because I thought Asari Justicar/ Krogan Battlemaster were unnecessary classes. Never questioned any thing other than that. But since it seems legit. It does raise an eye brow to some of their other "removed content"

#33261
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GBGriffin wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...


I smell someone in denial.


If I'm in denial over a conspiracy theory being true, I'm okay with that.

To me, it's fine to deny that a fan-made conspiracy theory is true rather to deny that a fan-made conspiracy theory is false.


You seem to enjoy speaking for all IT supporters as if they're all going around claiming it to be truth. It's merely an interpretation.

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Look guys! Our little buddy GBGriffin is back! Let's pat him on the back and tell him how special he is.

#33263
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n00bsauce2010 wrote...



You seem to enjoy speaking for all IT supporters as if they're all going around claiming it to be truth. It's merely an interpretation.



Actually, you're the one speaking for the IT supporters. I've argued with people who claim it is more than interpretation and that is it, undeniably, fact.

Clearly, you aren't speaking for everyone.

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GBGriffin wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...


I smell someone in denial.


If I'm in denial over a conspiracy theory being true, I'm okay with that.

To me, it's fine to deny that a fan-made conspiracy theory is true rather to deny that a fan-made conspiracy theory is false.


Ok don´t take this the wrong way, but....why are you still here? Is it so important for you to convince everyone of us that what we think is wrong? You obviously do not believe in the IT, so why not leave and move on with your life?

No one gets forced to believe the IT (unless Harbinger controls us all). We believe it, because we believe in it and yes some of us just want it to be true (even if it does not turn out to be true) and will still be our "real ending" depending on what comes in the summer.

Tl,dr Why are you still posting here?

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balance5050 wrote...

Look guys! Our little buddy GBGriffin is back! Let's pat him on the back and tell him how special he is.


Yep, this doesn't make you seem like a jackass at all. Keep it up.

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Chief Commander wrote...

Ok don´t take this the wrong way, but....why are you still here? Is it so important for you to convince everyone of us that what we think is wrong? You obviously do not believe in the IT, so why not leave and move on with your life?

No one gets forced to believe the IT (unless Harbinger controls us all). We believe it, because we believe in it and yes some of us just want it to be true (even if it does not turn out to be true) and will still be our "real ending" depending on what comes in the summer.

Tl,dr Why are you still posting here?


n00bsauce2010 made a post specifically directed at me. Why shouldn't I respond?

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When the clarrification comes in that the ending was supposed to be Shep gets indoctrinated, I will laugh the Scottish right off my ass.

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GBGriffin wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Repeating because it's just that sweet:
The "fake" The Truth leak included info about new MP races. Every one of them is being released on the 10th. It was accurate to the letter.

But no, they didn't have anything planned. Lawl.


It actually promised a Prothean and a Collector Ship level that are not there, iirc.

*edit* Ah, good, found the quote. I knew I wasn't making this up:

It’s called The Truth and it’s being released in April or May. You WILL be able to continue the story if you picked any of the endings. Your decision during that sequence will have a big effect on your ending of The Truth. The Truth adds two new sets of enemies, new classes, and multiplayer maps including “Firebase Hive”, which is a small area of the last remaining collector ship included in the DLC, which, by the way you should definitely bring Javik the Prothean along if you have him.The picture here shows some of the leaked multiplayer classes and races. One race that isn’t shown is the Prothean Adept and Vanguard. This DLC also enables the ability for owners of the preorder and From Ashes DLC to find their DLC weapons in reinforcement packs


That actually doesn't sound like what we're getting :)


*facepalm*
Think.  The Collector ship was said to be used in SP as part of the real ending.  In fact, the MP pack we're getting now and the real ending were one big package in the original leak.  Now they announced a "clarification" of the ending coming in summer and gave us some MP stuff, which they literally told us is to keep people playing and happy until then.  Do you think maybe, just maybe, they didn't release the Collector/Prothean MP portion because it's tied to the SP part they're not done with?  Seems a lot more likely than the leak being fake but them just accidentally guessing the exact race and class names.

#33269
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GBGriffin wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...



You seem to enjoy speaking for all IT supporters as if they're all going around claiming it to be truth. It's merely an interpretation.



Actually, you're the one speaking for the IT supporters. I've argued with people who claim it is more than interpretation and that is it, undeniably, fact.

Clearly, you aren't speaking for everyone.


But you're arguing with me.. and not the other 99% of supporters. All I'm saying is that IT is an interpretation of the ending and it fits Biowares intentions.

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Spamming our board in attempts to to fight a theory that is infallible? Let's see how that turns out for ya.

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GBGriffin wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Ok don´t take this the wrong way, but....why are you still here? Is it so important for you to convince everyone of us that what we think is wrong? You obviously do not believe in the IT, so why not leave and move on with your life?

No one gets forced to believe the IT (unless Harbinger controls us all). We believe it, because we believe in it and yes some of us just want it to be true (even if it does not turn out to be true) and will still be our "real ending" depending on what comes in the summer.

Tl,dr Why are you still posting here?


n00bsauce2010 made a post specifically directed at me. Why shouldn't I respond?


Judging by the way everyone posts like "our friend is back" etc, you seem to be popping in quite often no matter if someone directly adresses you or not. Sooo what´s your deal man?

#33272
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Pathero wrote...

When the clarrification comes in that the ending was supposed to be Shep gets indoctrinated, I will laugh the Scottish right off my ass.


That's cool, and you'd be well within your right to do so. Fortunately, I feel that I don't have to worry about that being the case, and I'm already working on my response to this being the case :)

After some consideration, if their intent is to leave it open for interpretation, then they may actually go the route of not ever confirming or denying it. If that's the case, then I still wouldn't claim they "went" with IT. 

What I find remarkable is that for a group of people claiming to be so profound as to find all this "evidence" and interpret it accordingly...why can't you interpret the dev reactions to mean that they have no intenton of backing IT? Why is that so impossible to believe?

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oh no not GBGriffin again :sick:

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GBGriffin shows up and everyone get's their logic bombs ready.

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Rifneno wrote...


*facepalm*
Think.  The Collector ship was said to be used in SP as part of the real ending.  In fact, the MP pack we're getting now and the real ending were one big package in the original leak.  Now they announced a "clarification" of the ending coming in summer and gave us some MP stuff, which they literally told us is to keep people playing and happy until then.  Do you think maybe, just maybe, they didn't release the Collector/Prothean MP portion because it's tied to the SP part they're not done with?  Seems a lot more likely than the leak being fake but them just accidentally guessing the exact race and class names.


Oh, so it's accurate to the letter, but only if you remove some of the letters and put them somewhere else?

Yeah, make sense. :)

Modifié par GBGriffin, 07 avril 2012 - 10:27 .