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[Simon_Says]

GBGriffin, Noobsauce, Balance...

Cut it out. Analyze for one minute what you would gain from entering another argument that none of you will ever be willing to concede.

[GBGriffin]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...



But you're arguing with me.. and not the other 99% of supporters. All I'm saying is that IT is an interpretation of the ending and it fits Biowares intentions.

Fair enough, but to bring it up again, you did change your argument before. You aren't exactly reliable.

[Rifneno]

GBGriffin wrote...

What I find remarkable is that for a group of people claiming to be so profound as to find all this "evidence" and interpret it accordingly...why can't you interpret the dev reactions to mean that they have no intenton of backing IT? Why is that so impossible to believe?

Because we paid attention to the game.

[MaximizedAction]

Rifneno wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Repeating because it's just that sweet:
The "fake" The Truth leak included info about new MP races. Every one of them is being released on the 10th. It was accurate to the letter.

But no, they didn't have anything planned. Lawl.

It actually promised a Prothean and a Collector Ship level that are not there, iirc.

*edit* Ah, good, found the quote. I knew I wasn't making this up:

It’s called The Truth and it’s being released in April or May. You WILL be able to continue the story if you picked any of the endings. Your decision during that sequence will have a big effect on your ending of The Truth. The Truth adds two new sets of enemies, new classes, and multiplayer maps including “Firebase Hive”, which is a small area of the last remaining collector ship included in the DLC, which, by the way you should definitely bring Javik the Prothean along if you have him.The picture here shows some of the leaked multiplayer classes and races. One race that isn’t shown is the Prothean Adept and Vanguard. This DLC also enables the ability for owners of the preorder and From Ashes DLC to find their DLC weapons in reinforcement packs

That actually doesn't sound like what we're getting

*facepalm*
Think.  The Collector ship was said to be used in SP as part of the real ending.  In fact, the MP pack we're getting now and the real ending were one big package in the original leak.  Now they announced a "clarification" of the ending coming in summer and gave us some MP stuff, which they literally told us is to keep people playing and happy until then.  Do you think maybe, just maybe, they didn't release the Collector/Prothean MP portion because it's tied to the SP part they're not done with?  Seems a lot more likely than the leak being fake but them just accidentally guessing the exact race and class names.

Then why didn't they emphasize - or mention AT ALL - an extra gameplay portion for the Extended Cut. Since it's clear that that would've calmed down much more people than it did without it?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 07 avril 2012 - 10:28 .

[Blubox]

Rifneno wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I'm glad you're seeing the big picture, you saw this video from Comic Con 2011 right?
http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s

You mean the "ending will be on the disc" comment? Yeah. Not sure what to make of it. On one hand it doesn't do IT any favors to say the ending IS there, but on the other hand why would he say that at all? It's like going up to a security guard at a store and saying "I didn't shoplift anything!" out of the blue. Maybe they did intend it to be on the disc and they just didn't have it finished by release so they released it instead of holding back for content that'd be locked anyway. I don't know.

About that. I can actually believe that, as far as the xbox vesion is concerned.

You start off with disc1 (of course). All priority missions up until Sur'kesh are on disc1, but when you want to do a side mission, like the Grissom Academy, you have to switch to disc2. And everything after Sur'Kesh, Priority and Sidemissions are on disc2. Only when you have to go to TIMs base you have to switch back to disc1, bcuz like in ME2, the last battle is on disc1.
In ME2 everything up until Horizon is on disc1, everything else on disc2. Except the final battle.

The way I see it, that at this point disc1 is half empty for no reason.

But then again the PC players would have found the "ending" by now...

[GBGriffin]

Chief Commander wrote...


Judging by the way everyone posts like "our friend is back" etc, you seem to be popping in quite often no matter if someone directly adresses you or not. Sooo what´s your deal man?

What? I've explained it already. He singled me out in a post and I responded. I was actually fine avoiding the thread until that happened.

[balance5050]

GBGriffin wrote...

Pathero wrote...

When the clarrification comes in that the ending was supposed to be Shep gets indoctrinated, I will laugh the Scottish right off my ass.

That's cool, and you'd be well within your right to do so. Fortunately, I feel that I don't have to worry about that being the case, and I'm already working on my response to this being the case

After some consideration, if their intent is to leave it open for interpretation, then they may actually go the route of not ever confirming or denying it. If that's the case, then I still wouldn't claim they "went" with IT. 

What I find remarkable is that for a group of people claiming to be so profound as to find all this "evidence" and interpret it accordingly...why can't you interpret the dev reactions to mean that they have no intenton of backing IT? Why is that so impossible to believe?

They said they are neither confirming nor denying it, called us dedicated, and said the didn't want to be prescriptive. PRE-SCRIPTIVE, they don't want to talk about I.T. becausethey don't want to talk about what's on the script.

[GBGriffin]

Rifneno wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

What I find remarkable is that for a group of people claiming to be so profound as to find all this "evidence" and interpret it accordingly...why can't you interpret the dev reactions to mean that they have no intenton of backing IT? Why is that so impossible to believe?

Because we paid attention to the game.

Only after the theory was formed. You made the bulk of the evidence fit the theory; it didn't suggest the theory was true before the theory existed. In fact, most of it didn't mean anything until people decided that it supported the IT because that was the only way it would "make sense".

[n00bsauce2010]

GBGriffin wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...



But you're arguing with me.. and not the other 99% of supporters. All I'm saying is that IT is an interpretation of the ending and it fits Biowares intentions.

Fair enough, but to bring it up again, you did change your argument before. You aren't exactly reliable.

But your argument isn't really valid either. Because you speak as if all IT supporters claim IT to be truth.. when in reality.. that isn't the case.

[clarkusdarkus]

GBGriffin wrote...

Pathero wrote...

When the clarrification comes in that the ending was supposed to be Shep gets indoctrinated, I will laugh the Scottish right off my ass.

That's cool, and you'd be well within your right to do so. Fortunately, I feel that I don't have to worry about that being the case, and I'm already working on my response to this being the case

After some consideration, if their intent is to leave it open for interpretation, then they may actually go the route of not ever confirming or denying it. If that's the case, then I still wouldn't claim they "went" with IT. 

What I find remarkable is that for a group of people claiming to be so profound as to find all this "evidence" and interpret it accordingly...why can't you interpret the dev reactions to mean that they have no intenton of backing IT? Why is that so impossible to believe?

do you not have perfect symmetrical nostril placement like the rest of us

[Pathero]

Quick Question:

You know that Gibbed Save editor thing, shouldn't it be possible to map another texture onto the star kid in the final scene? You know something that makes his facial expressions obvious?

Just thought it might help to see if he does nay odd facial expressions (and yes, I'm aware that it might be difficult to find specifically odd ecpressions as opposed to bioware odd expressions) when you make your choice.

[GBGriffin]

balance5050 wrote...


They said they are neither confirming nor denying it, called us dedicated, and said the didn't want to be prescriptive. PRE-SCRIPTIVE, they don't want to talk about I.T. becausethey don't want to talk about what's on the script.

They called you "um, committed". Doesn't sound like they were implying you were spot on in your theorizing.

[UrgedDuke]

Griffin I've always wondered why you come here

[balance5050]

Blubox wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I'm glad you're seeing the big picture, you saw this video from Comic Con 2011 right?
http://www.youtube.c...g5xltLkk#t=291s

You mean the "ending will be on the disc" comment? Yeah. Not sure what to make of it. On one hand it doesn't do IT any favors to say the ending IS there, but on the other hand why would he say that at all? It's like going up to a security guard at a store and saying "I didn't shoplift anything!" out of the blue. Maybe they did intend it to be on the disc and they just didn't have it finished by release so they released it instead of holding back for content that'd be locked anyway. I don't know.

About that. I can actually believe that, as far as the xbox vesion is concerned.

You start off with disc1 (of course). All priority missions up until Sur'kesh are on disc1, but when you want to do a side mission, like the Grissom Academy, you have to switch to disc2. And everything after Sur'Kesh, Priority and Sidemissions are on disc2. Only when you have to go to TIMs base you have to switch back to disc1, bcuz like in ME2, the last battle is on disc1.
In ME2 everything up until Horizon is on disc1, everything else on disc2. Except the final battle.

The way I see it, that at this point disc1 is half empty for no reason.

But then again the PC players would have found the "ending" by now...

They didn''t find the ending but they found a bunch of unused dialogue that that sounds like it takes place at the end, and they also found a bunch of unused multiplayer assets, I'm thinking a fragment of the real end is already on our discs.

Modifié par balance5050, 07 avril 2012 - 10:32 .

[GBGriffin]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

But your argument isn't really valid either. Because you speak as if all IT supporters claim IT to be truth.. when in reality.. that isn't the case.

Where did I say all IT supporters? I clearly said "I've argued with people"...not EVERY person.

Fortunately, unlike you, I don't have to edit my position further to prove my point

[Sire Styx]

GBGriffin wrote...

Pathero wrote...

When the clarrification comes in that the ending was supposed to be Shep gets indoctrinated, I will laugh the Scottish right off my ass.

That's cool, and you'd be well within your right to do so. Fortunately, I feel that I don't have to worry about that being the case, and I'm already working on my response to this being the case

After some consideration, if their intent is to leave it open for interpretation, then they may actually go the route of not ever confirming or denying it. If that's the case, then I still wouldn't claim they "went" with IT. 

What I find remarkable is that for a group of people claiming to be so profound as to find all this "evidence" and interpret it accordingly...why can't you interpret the dev reactions to mean that they have no intenton of backing IT? Why is that so impossible to believe?

People have interpreted the dev reactions to mean IT isn't true. Other people have interpreted them to mean IT may or may not be true. I could interpet what's been said meaning that I can interpret my own ending, and that Commander Shepard is actually a potato or something.

Anyway, we can find evidence to support IT, we can discount evidence against it if the evidence is very weak. For example, "my Shepard used the toilet once. If he was indoctrinated, harbringer might have made it pee himself. Therfore he's not indoctrinated."

That piece of evidence was ridiculous and speculative and therefore does not prove IT is false.

[Chief Commander]

The "um" in the answer to the IT was a very very short "um". Go watch the video and it becomes very clear. You barely hear it if you don´t pay attention. He was just trying to not f*** things up by saying the wrong thing.

Don´t interpret too much into that single word.

[GBGriffin]

UrgedDuke wrote...

Griffin I've always wondered why you come here

I've answered this. n00bsauce2010 called me out specifically in a post, and I began to respond.

Blame him for summoning me, if you'd like, and report me if you feel I'm being unreasonable. So far, I've done nothing but debate without resorting to the treatment I've received in turn.

[Rifneno]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Then why didn't they emphasize - or mention AT ALL - an extra gameplay portion for the Extended Cut. Since it's clear that that would've calmed down much more people than it did without it?

Because it's impossible for there to be extra gameplay when Shepard is dead in 95% of the cases and the Reapers are dealt with in 100, thus meaning that confirming gameplay would all but confirm IT and they want a surprise?
Well, it would confirm it for anyone with deductive reasoning.  So I'm sure some voluses wouldn't see it.  But most people would.

[balance5050]

GBGriffin wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


They said they are neither confirming nor denying it, called us dedicated, and said the didn't want to be prescriptive. PRE-SCRIPTIVE, they don't want to talk about I.T. becausethey don't want to talk about what's on the script.

They called you "um, committed". Doesn't sound like they were implying you were spot on in your theorizing.

They said "AGAIN, uhm commited" again referring to the fans that have constructive criticism. I can't believe out of that whole statement you're arguing a about something that isn't even a word. You got some funny logic there:huh:

[RorickHuon]

GBGriffin wrote...

Pathero wrote...

When the clarrification comes in that the ending was supposed to be Shep gets indoctrinated, I will laugh the Scottish right off my ass.

That's cool, and you'd be well within your right to do so. Fortunately, I feel that I don't have to worry about that being the case, and I'm already working on my response to this being the case

After some consideration, if their intent is to leave it open for interpretation, then they may actually go the route of not ever confirming or denying it. If that's the case, then I still wouldn't claim they "went" with IT. 

What I find remarkable is that for a group of people claiming to be so profound as to find all this "evidence" and interpret it accordingly...why can't you interpret the dev reactions to mean that they have no intenton of backing IT? Why is that so impossible to believe?

It's not impossible to believe. Bioware has stated that they will not comment on the IT because they want to let the content speak for itself. Allowing people to develop their own interpretations of the ending. IT is among the already this catagory. The mistake you made is coming to a pro IT thread and causing problems. What did you expect? 100% of people saying "Yeah its cool we all think the same thing, it could be wrong, but its cool." The way an interpretation works is taking the points that allow it to work. WE can not 100% prove it, only Bioware can. You can't 100% disprove it, only Bioware can. And since they say they wont comment, please go about your day.

[balance5050]

GBGriffin wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Griffin I've always wondered why you come here

I've answered this. n00bsauce2010 called me out specifically in a post, and I began to respond.

Blame him for summoning me, if you'd like, and report me if you feel I'm being unreasonable. So far, I've done nothing but debate without resorting to the treatment I've received in turn.

No one is forcing you to come here and look like a fool, you're choosing to do that.

[UrgedDuke]

GBGriffin wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Griffin I've always wondered why you come here

I've answered this. n00bsauce2010 called me out specifically in a post, and I began to respond.

Blame him for summoning me, if you'd like, and report me if you feel I'm being unreasonable. So far, I've done nothing but debate without resorting to the treatment I've received in turn.

you don't have to hangout here you should be out whacking it to some anti-IT thread:P

[GBGriffin]

RorickHuon wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Pathero wrote...

When the clarrification comes in that the ending was supposed to be Shep gets indoctrinated, I will laugh the Scottish right off my ass.

That's cool, and you'd be well within your right to do so. Fortunately, I feel that I don't have to worry about that being the case, and I'm already working on my response to this being the case

After some consideration, if their intent is to leave it open for interpretation, then they may actually go the route of not ever confirming or denying it. If that's the case, then I still wouldn't claim they "went" with IT. 

What I find remarkable is that for a group of people claiming to be so profound as to find all this "evidence" and interpret it accordingly...why can't you interpret the dev reactions to mean that they have no intenton of backing IT? Why is that so impossible to believe?

It's not impossible to believe. Bioware has stated that they will not comment on the IT because they want to let the content speak for itself. Allowing people to develop their own interpretations of the ending. IT is among the already this catagory. The mistake you made is coming to a pro IT thread and causing problems. What did you expect? 100% of people saying "Yeah its cool we all think the same thing, it could be wrong, but its cool." The way an interpretation works is taking the points that allow it to work. WE can not 100% prove it, only Bioware can. You can't 100% disprove it, only Bioware can. And since they say they wont comment, please go about your day.

Fair enough. I have some creationists to chat with about the existence of God. I have a feeling that will go over much better.

Enjoy your day as well!

[Pathero]

GBGriffin wrote...

Pathero wrote...

When the clarrification comes in that the ending was supposed to be Shep gets indoctrinated, I will laugh the Scottish right off my ass.

That's cool, and you'd be well within your right to do so. Fortunately, I feel that I don't have to worry about that being the case, and I'm already working on my response to this being the case

After some consideration, if their intent is to leave it open for interpretation, then they may actually go the route of not ever confirming or denying it. If that's the case, then I still wouldn't claim they "went" with IT. 

What I find remarkable is that for a group of people claiming to be so profound as to find all this "evidence" and interpret it accordingly...why can't you interpret the dev reactions to mean that they have no intenton of backing IT? Why is that so impossible to believe?

I'm holding out hope.  It's the best possible outcome (from where I'm sitting anyway) that they ment to do it as I can see more options on where to go than just leaving it open to interpritation.

I don't think that the 'cycle' of Mass Effect 3 is done.  It's like playing baseball, your not safe till you get to base.  At the moment Bioware have hit the ball, but they're still not to base with the story.  They've already said that there is more to come (not in relation to the endings, but there could be, I don't know, post ending stuff I guess.  Kind of like ME3's Arrival.

I will admit that it is more likely that they left the end open to speculation than it was absolutely meant to be IT, but given the lack of information one way or the other, I'll just leave it open to interpritation.