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[Voodzik]

*sigh* is it this time already?

Alright everyone, batten down the hatches. Troll herd coming through. Some are going pro, some are going con, either way they stink up the place until they leave. Ranger Voodzik here reminding you of proper troll protocol: don't feed them in any way. That's no quoting for any reason, and no agreeing with trolls who are rampaging from the same side as you.

Members of civilized species should talk amongst themselves. Don't let them provoke you, just pretend they're not there and let them eat each other.

[Ultra Prism]

wow this thread has gone over the tops

[schneeland]

Sovereign Skyguardian wrote...

schneeland wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

schneeland wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Just checking, don't mind me.

[...]

I sense a blue glowing Shepard approaching ...

Hm, for now it seems pretty quite, don't you think?

Shepard is not glowing.


Yet.

Seems so. Maybe I'm just at the paranoia level of indoctrination, now.

PAIN IS AN ILLUSION!
JOIN US... SCHNEELAND

Oh, I see you are a glowing child with a faible for space magic ... I will totally join you, because who could be more trustable than you?

[Sovereign Skyguardian]

schneeland wrote...

Sovereign Skyguardian wrote...

schneeland wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

schneeland wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Just checking, don't mind me.

[...]

I sense a blue glowing Shepard approaching ...

Hm, for now it seems pretty quite, don't you think?

Shepard is not glowing.


Yet.

Seems so. Maybe I'm just at the paranoia level of indoctrination, now.

PAIN IS AN ILLUSION!
JOIN US... SCHNEELAND

Oh, I see you are a glowing child with a faible for space magic ... I will totally join you, because who could be more trustable than you?

WE ARE THE HARBINGER OF YOUR PERFECTION...
BY SPACE MAGIC! ™

But you know how the Reapers really convinced me?
They had cookies!

[Arian Dynas]

McWhitey3 wrote...

I know wishful thinking but wouldn't it be great if next weeks MP DLC turns out to have something related to the endings or IT... I mean why call it the Resurgence Pack? Resurgence = rise again

Considering it's exactly what the Truth DLC leak indicated, yeah that's kind of the implication. In the end it makes sense.

Let's assume you're EA, you have an ending leak, Bioware wants to re-write the ending to keep it memorable, but they know, as well as you, they don't have the time to. You can't push back te date again, you did that already, and pushing back dates is sheer suicide PR wise, it makes you look bad, unprofessional.You want the ending to be memorable, it gets people interested, and interested people pay money. What do you do? You play for time of course!

Bioware writes up this little half-assed ending and slips in hints to make it clear "Hey something's not right here." it's simple, fast and easy to do by compasrsion to writing and coding an entire new ending. And of course, since the ending is "not right" and therefore a hallucination, finding out about it doesn't matter, "you don't need to know about that."

They attempt to make it as obvious as possible something is not right here, even going in so far as to show a breathing scene defying all logic before, showing obvious inconsistencies and numerous other things, they get disappointed, upset and bothered by the fact that that it's lost on some fans.

So then, the fans are in uproar, EA badly underestimated the backlash of this, expecting polite theory tossing until the summer when they can release the DLC and be hailed as heroes.

They find thet have 3 options.

1. Tell the fans to ****** off and defend their artistic integrity, saying "this is all you get". They wont, and already haven't done this, appealing to simple base greed, EA knows this could kill the franchise, and they, being rather fond of money won't kill a golden goose like Bioware. When it takes a minimal amount of effort and money to do things, like "fixing" the ending, the smart thing is (and don't deny EA are canny, they have shown many times that they are.) to go mia culpa, admit your mistake and move on, because it ensures a returning customer base. 

2. Reveal the thing you had planned all along, which at this point would be pointless, redering the outrage pointless, making the fans feel betrayed, and failing to justify the loss of sales the outrage caused, especially when the DLC itself is not yet ready.

3 Or three, they do what they have done. Officially deny anything, make no comment about theories of any kind, allow people to speculate calmly as you look at the DLC you have planned, and cut off a bit to give the fans now, to tide them over until you bring out the real thing, keeping them interested while you do your thing, letting them know "Hey we got more planned, be patient, keep yourselves busy with Resurgence, and you'll see more later, trust us." Resurgence is free because the whole thing they had planned was free, like Cerberus network, to keep people from buying used, which in this case, even considering they have people doing returns or selling the games, they still win, since the old owners might buy another copy, they get twice the sales, and they still get something from the new users, since they need to pay for the DLC, and they still get something out of ppl buying used. So give your fans free DLC so you look apologetic, but since you planned on having it free (notice, Resurgence is only for currently registered members btw) you lose nothing, and you keep them interested while you have time to finish.

[chevyguy87]

estebanus wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

The fact that they completely balked that question should tell you quite a lot. They neither confirmed nor denied it rather they just brushed it aside. We will just have to wait for summer time and see if the Indoc Theory holds weight.

No you won't. You can see right now that it holds absolutely zero weight. You just have to open your eyes and accept the game as told.

The only way you can entertain indoc is if you reject the game.

What?? No if you take the end without indoctrination it utterly falls flat. Nothing in the game contradicts this theory. It's the opposite really. Does it really make sense for everyone who's ever touched or been around Reaper tech to be indoctrinated EXCEPT Shepard? IT WOULD make sense if they had made a point to explain that Shepard is different, but they never do that. 

I spent a good half of ME2 with a metalic Reaper artifact on my coffee table. Pretty sure that wasn't good for my Sheppy sanity. 

 

You shouldn't try discussing with atlasmickey.

He liked the endings, and dislikes Lord Of The Rings, so that should tell you a lot about who your'e dealing with here.

I am not dismissing it as being untrue I just find it amusing they pretty much just swept that question under the rug. Personally I feel the Indoc Theory is the ONLY saving grace this series has left. I mean come on if you pay attention the game the cues might as well jump out of the tv screen some of them are THAT obvious. But as of now I will remain nuetral and will wait for the DLC. Simple as that I don't see how jumping to arms without knowing what it will contain is helping ANYBODY at this moment.

[k-stigus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Considering it's exactly what the Truth DLC leak indicated, yeah that's kind of the implication. In the end it makes sense.

Is this really true? Are the maps in "the truth" DLC article the same as this resurgence pack?

[Pathero]

Problem with trolls? Guys move to the UK, you get to sleep through the worst of it and our libel laws are so severe that if they do make any even remotely hurtful marks then they can be arrested.

Need to find a meme generator for the Keep Calm and Carry on and change it to "End of Line? In Britain That's Jail Time.

Seriously though, I'mma gonna go to sleep and not worry about the ending. ID until proven otherwise.

[Arian Dynas]

k-stigus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Considering it's exactly what the Truth DLC leak indicated, yeah that's kind of the implication. In the end it makes sense.

Is this really true? Are the maps in "the truth" DLC article the same as this resurgence pack?

No, but the classes are spot on, down to the names in fact. The only map explicitly mentioned was entitled "Firebase Hive" featuring the Collector Ship, which for obvious single player campaign spoiler reasons, would be held back, like the Prothean classes, but they DID mention "Several maps, including a new "Firebase Hive" on the Collector Ship" and besides, they built up Collectors (much like Harbinger) so much in ME2, did you really beleive they would go out after one game?

[RealStyli]

DuskRose wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Has anyone here read Retribution?

Yep. Why?

I'm kind of going backwards through the books, so I'm hoping I'm not going to miss anything vital by reading Retribution first. I was just wondering about how they describe Grayson's indoctrination.

Hmmm... I don't really remember (I've a terrible memory for specifics)... I'll have to re-read it again...


EDIT: Actually, I forgot the Wiki has information on it: http://masseffect.wi...ct:_Retribution

Modifié par RealStyli, 08 avril 2012 - 01:22 .

[n00bsauce2010]

What is the exact order of the books? I'm probably gonna pick them up and start reading them.

[RealStyli]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

What is the exact order of the books? I'm probably gonna pick them up and start reading them.

Revelation (set before ME1)
Ascension (set between ME2 and ME3)
Retribution (set between ME2 and ME3)

Deception (Generally accepted as really poor, AVOID)


The comics are worth a look too:

Redemption 1-4 (set between ME1 and ME2)
Evolution 1-4 (set way before the games at first contact)
Invasion 1-4 (set just before ME3)

Incursion/Inquisition (two 8-page comics set just before ME3)

[MegumiAzusa]

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

I saw it was page 1337, so I absolutely had to post.

Nothing new happening with me, except I went downstairs to get some candy, and grabbed three random colored airheads.

Got upstairs, noticed it was one Blue Raspberry, one Green Apple, and one Cherry flavored one.

Even my candy is only offering me a choice between Red, Blue and Green. >.>

DUN DUN DUNNN

youtu.be/a1Y73sPHKxw

I lol'd

You know, the chipmunks were also Red, Green, Blue.

[blooregard]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

I saw it was page 1337, so I absolutely had to post.

Nothing new happening with me, except I went downstairs to get some candy, and grabbed three random colored airheads.

Got upstairs, noticed it was one Blue Raspberry, one Green Apple, and one Cherry flavored one.

Even my candy is only offering me a choice between Red, Blue and Green. >.>

DUN DUN DUNNN

youtu.be/a1Y73sPHKxw

I lol'd

You know, the chipmunks were also Red, Green, Blue.

Mind = blown.

[Kyzee]

 Evening! Hope everything's been civil while I was gone! 

So I just popped in to share two tweets from Mike Gamble, in case they haven't been shared yet.

First, in case there was any doubt as to whether BioWare's going to spoil the plot of the DLC: twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/188779949849714688

@GambleMike - Could you at least clear up a few questions then? People don't like speculating like this for a long time, with vague answers. 

@MrBlazenGlazen - nope, unfortunately not

SHOCKER, I tell you! 

Oh, and please, for the love of god, DON'T use this as fodder to go Mike Gamble hating, people. That's not why I shared this. It's simply to put try to put to bed the whole "If IT were/weren't true, they would tell us" arguments.

And the second tweet is just because it's funny:

twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/188780097409523712

@GambleMike - yo bro if you actually make ME3 playable again by fixin the end I would marry your ass

@CoPilotRogerM - what about the rest of me??! I'm a person too!

:lol::lol::lol:

Night, all! Be nice and respect each other! 

Modifié par Kyzee, 08 avril 2012 - 01:36 .

[lex0r11]

blooregard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

I saw it was page 1337, so I absolutely had to post.

Nothing new happening with me, except I went downstairs to get some candy, and grabbed three random colored airheads.

Got upstairs, noticed it was one Blue Raspberry, one Green Apple, and one Cherry flavored one.

Even my candy is only offering me a choice between Red, Blue and Green. >.>

DUN DUN DUNNN

youtu.be/a1Y73sPHKxw

I lol'd

You know, the chipmunks were also Red, Green, Blue.

Mind = blown.

STOP IT!

You guys are making my head hurt.

[RealStyli]

From the Wiki page on Retribution, describing the affects of indoctrination on Grayson:

"Grayson started to experience the beginning phases of the indoctrination, starting with subtle whispers he couldn't understand"

Not sure if that's relevant to I.T. as the whispers Shep heard were in his dreams. Plus, I'm not sure how much the new writing team regarded Drew's work on the novels as cannon.

[GBGriffin]

Did Grayson hear whispers while he was awake or dreaming? Shepard only hears the whispers while dreaming.

*edit* Er, whoops. Posted in the wrong thread by accident. Was posting from my phone and thought I was in the Patrick Weekes thread.

Leaving now

Modifié par GBGriffin, 08 avril 2012 - 01:36 .

[n00bsauce2010]

RealStyli wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

What is the exact order of the books? I'm probably gonna pick them up and start reading them.

Revelation (set before ME1)
Ascension (set between ME2 and ME3)
Retribution (set between ME2 and ME3)

Deception (Generally accepted as really poor, AVOID)


The comics are worth a look too:

Redemption 1-4 (set between ME1 and ME2)
Evolution 1-4 (set way before the games at first contact)
Invasion 1-4 (set just before ME3)

Incursion/Inquisition (two 8-page comics set just before ME3)

What is the best way to obtain these? like all of them.. you think a borders or barnes and noble would have them all?

[RealStyli]

DuskRose wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

What is the exact order of the books? I'm probably gonna pick them up and start reading them.

Revelation (set before ME1)
Ascension (set between ME2 and ME3)
Retribution (set between ME2 and ME3)

Deception (Generally accepted as really poor, AVOID)


The comics are worth a look too:

Redemption 1-4 (set between ME1 and ME2)
Evolution 1-4 (set way before the games at first contact)
Invasion 1-4 (set just before ME3)

Incursion/Inquisition (two 8-page comics set just before ME3)

They're redoing Deception though, aren't they?

Yeah, apparently, but it's yet to be seen if it will be any good, it's still a Dietz novel. The first 3 books by Drew Karpyshyn were just great, he really knew how to write Mass Effect, no wonder he was lead writer on ME1.

[GBGriffin]

DuskRose wrote...

Hey GB, how are you this evening?

Haha, yes, that was rather embarassing. I honestly thought I was posting in a different thread.

I'm fine, but leaving now. Feel free to link the post in my sig if you'd like. It was a mistake

[lex0r11]

So sad Karpyshyn couldn't stay to finish the trilogy. I really like his books.