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Hey everyone, don't know if this has been shared, but for those of you with Facebooks, take a look. On Thursday night, they had just 800 supporters. Now they're over 10,000. EDIT: My bad, not over 10,000, but just south of it.

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"no you can't.  We've created the cycle so that never happens.""I know you've thought about destroying us""Or do you think you can control us""We already controlled him""I control the reapers."  "I created the reapers.""The cycle will end.  Synthesis is the final form of life.  But we need each other to make it happen."


Nitpicking the GC's dialogue.  Notice he says he created the Reapers to control the chaos and that he controls them.  Yet he uses "us" and "we" a lot, especially with destroying the reapers and TIM.  Despite the way he seems to differentiate himself from the reapers by sayin he made and controls them, he speaks as if he IS a reaper.

Also notice that GC in the beginning, despite saying he created the reapers to control the chaos and help species ascend, then says at the synthesis, "We need each other" to "make synthesis happen."  The reapers need organic life to reproduce.  To their logic, organics need them to control the chaos of evolution and reach "the pinnacle of evolution" IE themselves.  I think the reapers are an organic race who ended up in a rebellious war with synthetics they made, decided the best solution was to merge with their creations to end the conflict and broker peace, creating Harbringer, the first reaper.  They need other organic life to reproduce, and in becoming the first reaper, have a god complex that all life need to reach their form to prevent going through what they went through and that they are truly the best evolutionary thing.  "The final form of life"

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Foulpancake wrote...

Whoa whoa guys, i just noticed something. On Chris Priestlies twitter someone asks if the 2 squad mates who charged the beam with you were killed and he responds

"I don't think we've revealed that yet sorry"

...if the ending was really the ending, how could that not be revealed? I mean they walked right off the normandy miraculously didn't they?


Yeah, I'm keeping an eye on Priestly, Gamble and Hudson on twitter... that one kinda threw me for a loop.

Revealed?

Either there's some master plan which is going to floor us, or they're winging it until they figure out a way to defuse the situation.

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BigBossBoo wrote...

 

"no you can't.  We've created the cycle so that never happens.""I know you've thought about destroying us""Or do you think you can control us""We already controlled him""I control the reapers."  "I created the reapers.""The cycle will end.  Synthesis is the final form of life.  But we need each other to make it happen."


Nitpicking the GC's dialogue.  Notice he says he created the Reapers to control the chaos and that he controls them.  Yet he uses "us" and "we" a lot, especially with destroying the reapers and TIM.  Despite the way he seems to differentiate himself from the reapers by sayin he made and controls them, he speaks as if he IS a reaper.

Also notice that GC in the beginning, despite saying he created the reapers to control the chaos and help species ascend, then says at the synthesis, "We need each other" to "make synthesis happen."  The reapers need organic life to reproduce.  To their logic, organics need them to control the chaos of evolution and reach "the pinnacle of evolution" IE themselves.  I think the reapers are an organic race who ended up in a rebellious war with synthetics they made, decided the best solution was to merge with their creations to end the conflict and broker peace, creating Harbringer, the first reaper.  They need other organic life to reproduce, and in becoming the first reaper, have a god complex that all life need to reach their form to prevent going through what they went through and that they are truly the best evolutionary thing.  "The final form of life"


a great epilouge could be harbinger telling shepard the story of how the reapers began.

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noobcannon wrote...

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I saw that too...

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Deklan_Caine wrote...
*snip*
1) As soon as Shepherd "wakes up" after being blasted by the Reaper laser, he's limping. If, as you're playing, you try to look/aim down at Shep's feet, you can't. The view angle get's blocked so that you can't see below his/her knees. If you watch the pace of the legs moving, though, it becomes really obvious that Shepherd is moving considerably faster than he is actually walking, almost floating as it were. At first when I noticed this in the my second play-though I just figured it was designed that way because making Shepherds speed the same as his walk would make the last moments in the game take 3 times longer (and it already seemed to take forever). But if we're rolling with the hallucination/indoctrination theory, then the fact that he's practically floating on his feet just adds more fuel to the fire...

*snip*


You are floating. As you're walking along the walkway in the citadel there are pronounced holes in the middle that are wider than your stance. You can stand right in the middle of the hole without your z-axis changing.. The collision detection ABHORS you getting near holes in the ground. We know this.

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What was weird to me was that after you enter the beam, you're up in the Citadel in an area that no one has apparently seen, yet for whatever reason the walkway out of the hall filled with corpses has 1M1 on it. If no one's been there, why is there human writing? Unless Cerberus had been in there already at some point during the game, and I know you aren't on the crucible since it hadn't docked with the citadel yet. Also, there are gaps in the walkway that you can just walk over like you're floating, might be something but I'm more inclined to chalk that up to a design oversight.

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noobcannon wrote...

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Yeah, they should change it to "LAST HALLUCINATED ON THE CRUCIBLE"

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prizm123 wrote...

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Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?


how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there


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Foulpancake wrote...

Whoa whoa guys, i just noticed something. On Chris Priestlies twitter someone asks if the 2 squad mates who charged the beam with you were killed and he responds

"I don't think we've revealed that yet sorry"

...if the ending was really the ending, how could that not be revealed? I mean they walked right off the normandy miraculously didn't they?


Well...I'll be a...

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I noticed that the conversation with TIM is almost exactly the same as your conversation with Saren on ME1. It may even be word for word, but I haven't gotten the chance to analyze it. Every option I had when speaking with Saren, I had with TIM. Even the fact that I didn't have enough paragon points in the first game for the final paragon option reappeared in the final dialogue choices just like ME1 and I wasn't able to choose the final paragon option. Others who were able to get the last option had TIM shoot himself, just like Saren! It's interesting and it might be further proof that it's all a figment of shepards imagination or it's just Shep conflicting with him/herself in the same fashion as Saren. I would love to know if my theory has any merit, as I do not have any time to check it out myself. Thanks for the thread, it's been mind blowing.

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BigBossBoo wrote...

 

"no you can't.  We've created the cycle so that never happens.""I know you've thought about destroying us""Or do you think you can control us""We already controlled him""I control the reapers."  "I created the reapers.""The cycle will end.  Synthesis is the final form of life.  But we need each other to make it happen."


Nitpicking the GC's dialogue.  Notice he says he created the Reapers to control the chaos and that he controls them.  Yet he uses "us" and "we" a lot, especially with destroying the reapers and TIM.  Despite the way he seems to differentiate himself from the reapers by sayin he made and controls them, he speaks as if he IS a reaper.

Also notice that GC in the beginning, despite saying he created the reapers to control the chaos and help species ascend, then says at the synthesis, "We need each other" to "make synthesis happen."  The reapers need organic life to reproduce.  To their logic, organics need them to control the chaos of evolution and reach "the pinnacle of evolution" IE themselves.  I think the reapers are an organic race who ended up in a rebellious war with synthetics they made, decided the best solution was to merge with their creations to end the conflict and broker peace, creating Harbringer, the first reaper.  They need other organic life to reproduce, and in becoming the first reaper, have a god complex that all life need to reach their form to prevent going through what they went through and that they are truly the best evolutionary thing.  "The final form of life"


I am Commander Shepard and this is my favorite Reaper Origin theory on the BSN!!!

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I saw that too...


they state a couple times that millions of people have died/gone missing already and on a wall with maybe just 50 pictures that little brat is one of them? way beyond coincidence

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Golferguy758 wrote...

Foulpancake wrote...

Whoa whoa guys, i just noticed something. On Chris Priestlies twitter someone asks if the 2 squad mates who charged the beam with you were killed and he responds

"I don't think we've revealed that yet sorry"

...if the ending was really the ending, how could that not be revealed? I mean they walked right off the normandy miraculously didn't they?


Well...I'll be a...

OH GOD

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I actually really am starting to get the hunch that they're going to spring something on us, and it's going to be something we're not expecting.

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Watching the 'Shep lives' ending over and over again with a .bik player, and I swear I see the front end of a car in the background with the rubble.

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Omega point has already been brought up.

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Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

prizm123 wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...



Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?


how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there


Oh Sure! Bring down the entire Hallucination Thread of Hope with one little post. Thanks... Posted Image



I was also under the impression that N7 with the little red detail under it was considered to be a commander shepard trademark as every customized set of armor has the N7 and red and white stripes somewhere on it (except the kestrel armor) 

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N3vDawg wrote...

I noticed that the conversation with TIM is almost exactly the same as your conversation with Saren on ME1. It may even be word for word, but I haven't gotten the chance to analyze it. Every option I had when speaking with Saren, I had with TIM. Even the fact that I didn't have enough paragon points in the first game for the final paragon option reappeared in the final dialogue choices just like ME1 and I wasn't able to choose the final paragon option. Others who were able to get the last option had TIM shoot himself, just like Saren! It's interesting and it might be further proof that it's all a figment of shepards imagination or it's just Shep conflicting with him/herself in the same fashion as Saren. I would love to know if my theory has any merit, as I do not have any time to check it out myself. Thanks for the thread, it's been mind blowing.


It's not really word for word... if you look at my post on the previous page, I think Saren would fall more under the Synthesis/Despair category.  Saren would choose Synthesis, TIM would choose control.

In a way, it would have made more sense to have Saren up there rather than the boy, advocating for the synthesis path.  But, then, doing so would have made it obvious that the synthesis path was the wrong one.

Honestly, they could have made the ending great with just a little more clarity about it being a hallucination, and a Saren cameo.  Then you have Saren, TIM, and Anderson - would be a nice group of people to represent everything the game was about.

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They might as well tell us something we're not expecting. Even if this theory is wrong, we're right that there's something fishy on all of this.

First Gamble's post and now this? Either that or they just don't know how to react yet...

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Hey guys. Figured I'd show you some love as well..

Here's a sig!

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Thank you!!!!!

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Warhawk7137 wrote...

I actually really am starting to get the hunch that they're going to spring something on us, and it's going to be something we're not expecting.


Well it would allow them to rectify the leaked script. Not sure what it contained as I specifically avoided it.

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blooregard wrote...

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

prizm123 wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...



Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?


how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there


Oh Sure! Bring down the entire Hallucination Thread of Hope with one little post. Thanks... Posted Image



I was also under the impression that N7 with the little red detail under it was considered to be a commander shepard trademark as every customized set of armor has the N7 and red and white stripes somewhere on it (except the kestrel armor) 


your right it is Shepard...why would it make any sense at all to be anyone else at that point in time!? I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE BAD STORY WRITING COP OUT AS AN ANSWER! lol