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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

On that video what is the time frame where he supposedly says that?


Around 4.55... but, as far as I can tell, he says "can tell you"...

I'm a post-production sound engineer, bad-audio is a pet hate... I was almost shouting at that video, "give the guy an effing mic!"

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Tidbit from Jessica's twitter for interest:

"@....... it means I will never confirm or deny indoctrination b/c we don't want to tell you how to interpret the end."

^_^

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DuskRose wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

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Well someone posted earlier a video from 2011 with someone from Bioware talking about how the ending was structured and that they couldn't guarantee the ending would be on the disk...


I'd love that video.



To be fair the audio there is really spotty, so he could be saying can instead of can't.


To be fair I've checked he say's can't.  I've listened with my headphones on and he says can't.:unsure:

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Sorry, I didn't mean "pet hate", bad audio practically fuels my vitriol.

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Bad sound is bad sound. Headphones can't change that.

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RealStyli wrote...

Sorry, I didn't mean "pet hate", bad audio practically fuels my vitriol.


I understood what you meant.

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Can't tell if he is saying can or can't.

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DuskRose wrote...

Bad sound is bad sound. Headphones can't change that.



And ignoreing the T in can't to make a point is something that can be changed.

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protognosis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Well someone posted earlier a video from 2011 with someone from Bioware talking about how the ending was structured and that they couldn't guarantee the ending would be on the disk...


I'd love that video.



To be fair the audio there is really spotty, so he could be saying can instead of can't.


To be fair I've checked he say's can't.  I've listened with my headphones on and he says can't.:unsure:



I've listened on top quality headphones and it's impossible to be 100% certain either way. In fact I don't think it's even down to the quality of the audio but the fact that he follows "can" with "tell" and runs them together.

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More to the point, the conversation starting at 4:40 is in the context of how the game is a war story and the story structure is different and thus the ending can't be guaranteed on the disk because of DLC that is tied to the story.

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protognosis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Bad sound is bad sound. Headphones can't change that.



And ignoreing the T in can't to make a point is something that can be changed.


That "t" sound could simply be the start of "tell"

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One thing to consider about the ending is that we wouldn't need a clarification DLC if what we saw was just that. There are underlying factors behind the plot holes that they intentionally took out in order to fulfill the 'indoctrination' part as gameplay and not just by telling the player that Shepard is fighting for control of his mind.

I still believe in IT. I think that BioWare wants to release the DLC so that the players can figure things out by themselves instead of ruining it by just telling us. It's torture though. It's torture....

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[quote]lex0r11 wrote...

[quote]blooregard wrote...

[quote]MegumiAzusa wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

[quote]lex0r11 wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...

I saw it was page 1337, so I absolutely had to post.

Nothing new happening with me, except I went downstairs to get some candy, and grabbed three random colored airheads.

Got upstairs, noticed it was one Blue Raspberry, one Green Apple, and one Cherry flavored one.

Even my candy is only offering me a choice between Red, Blue and Green. >.>[/quote]

DUN DUN DUNNN

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youtu.be/a1Y73sPHKxw

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I lol'd :lol:

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You know, the chipmunks were also Red, Green, Blue. :o

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Mind = blown.[/quote]

STOP IT!

You guys are making my head hurt. :(

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Here's a mindblower for ya, The Matrix, what color was the pill that let neo "go down the rabbit hole"?

That's right. Red.

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Night, all! Be nice and respect each other! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/policeman.png[/smilie]
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Be excellent to each other dude. *air guitar*

Goddamn I feel old.

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Considering it's exactly what the Truth DLC leak indicated, yeah that's kind of the implication. In the end it makes sense.[/quote]

Is this really true? Are the maps in "the truth" DLC article the same as this resurgence pack?

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No, but the classes are spot on, down to the names in fact. The only map explicitly mentioned was entitled "Firebase Hive" featuring the Collector Ship, which for obvious single player campaign spoiler reasons, would be held back, like the Prothean classes, but they DID mention "Several maps, including a new "Firebase Hive" on the Collector Ship" and besides, they built up Collectors (much like Harbinger) so much in ME2, did you really beleive they would go out after one game?

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The Collectors didn't all die.  I know that for a fact.  Read the "Miracle at Palaven" codex entry and you will see what I mean.
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Point made, see what I mean? There's a precedent for everything mentioned in the Truth, Collector's still around? Yep. Prothean stasis pods that worked? Yep.

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RealStyli wrote...

protognosis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Bad sound is bad sound. Headphones can't change that.



And ignoreing the T in can't to make a point is something that can be changed.


That "t" sound could simply be the start of "tell"


You're right...gd. :crying:  I guess I'm just grasping at straws emergency induction ports! :crying:

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protognosis wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

protognosis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Bad sound is bad sound. Headphones can't change that.



And ignoreing the T in can't to make a point is something that can be changed.


That "t" sound could simply be the start of "tell"


You're right...gd. :crying:  I guess I'm just grasping at straws emergency induction ports! :crying:


-hugs It's OK, I know the feeling.

#33516
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protognosis wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

protognosis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Bad sound is bad sound. Headphones can't change that.



And ignoreing the T in can't to make a point is something that can be changed.


That "t" sound could simply be the start of "tell"


You're right...gd. :crying:  I guess I'm just grasping at straws emergency induction ports! :crying:


Don't worry. I wish I wasn't right! I so wanted him to say "can't" as well.

In any case, that interview was before the ending leaked so they may have changed their plan when they re-wrote it.

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 Hey everyone just chilling here in Hiroshima memorial park and hooked up to see how things were progressing.

Oh I also thought of something. From what I remember of the Shepard breathing scene there is a silvery light which seems to be shining from somewhere on the right. Considering shepards position in the rubble he would be facing this light so it could very well be the beam he was charging toward before being knocked down which is illuminating where he is lying.

It could off course also be the crucible/citadel connection beam, but one would think that one shuts down when the citadel explodes, right?

Just a bit more which might indicate we are on earth.

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protognosis wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

protognosis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Bad sound is bad sound. Headphones can't change that.



And ignoreing the T in can't to make a point is something that can be changed.


That "t" sound could simply be the start of "tell"


You're right...gd. :crying:  I guess I'm just grasping at straws emergency induction ports! :crying:


When was the video released? Because if it was before the leak, well, plans change, if after, then we're scuppered. I personally say Can't and can tell are very distinct from one another though.

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DuskRose wrote...

protognosis wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

protognosis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Bad sound is bad sound. Headphones can't change that.



And ignoreing the T in can't to make a point is something that can be changed.


That "t" sound could simply be the start of "tell"


You're right...gd. :crying:  I guess I'm just grasping at straws emergency induction ports! :crying:


-hugs It's OK, I know the feeling.


thanks.  -hugs- thanks.  :crying:

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Arian Dynas wrote...

protognosis wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

protognosis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Bad sound is bad sound. Headphones can't change that.



And ignoreing the T in can't to make a point is something that can be changed.


That "t" sound could simply be the start of "tell"


You're right...gd. :crying:  I guess I'm just grasping at straws emergency induction ports! :crying:


When was the video released? Because if it was before the leak, well, plans change, if after, then we're scuppered. I personally say Can't and can tell are very distinct from one another though.


before leak if I'm not mistaken

#33521
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RealStyli wrote...

protognosis wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

protognosis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Bad sound is bad sound. Headphones can't change that.



And ignoreing the T in can't to make a point is something that can be changed.


That "t" sound could simply be the start of "tell"


You're right...gd. :crying:  I guess I'm just grasping at straws emergency induction ports! :crying:


Don't worry. I wish I wasn't right! I so wanted him to say "can't" as well.

In any case, that interview was before the ending leaked so they may have changed their plan when they re-wrote it.


Exactly as I said, in fact, the leak about "The Truth" EXPLICITLY stated the ending was changed BECAUSE of the leak.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

When was the video released? Because if it was before the leak, well, plans change, if after, then we're scuppered.


Great minds think alike! I think it was before... June 2011? When was the leak?


I personally say Can't and can tell are very distinct from one another though.


It depends on the way it's said. Some people, like us Irish, run words close together. The French do it as well, so maybe Canadians do too?

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protognosis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

protognosis wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

protognosis wrote...

DuskRose wrote...

Bad sound is bad sound. Headphones can't change that.



And ignoreing the T in can't to make a point is something that can be changed.


That "t" sound could simply be the start of "tell"


You're right...gd. :crying:  I guess I'm just grasping at straws emergency induction ports! :crying:


-hugs It's OK, I know the feeling.


thanks.  -hugs- thanks.  :crying:


Aaaaawwwww, you two.

Can't hold back anymore.



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RealStyli wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

When was the video released? Because if it was before the leak, well, plans change, if after, then we're scuppered.


Great minds think alike! I think it was before... June 2011? When was the leak?


I personally say Can't and can tell are very distinct from one another though.


It depends on the way it's said. Some people, like us Irish, run words close together. The French do it as well, so maybe Canadians do too?


Nah, they just say Aboot and throw in an "eh" every so often :kissing:

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lex0r11 wrote...

Aaaaawwwww, you two.

Can't hold back anymore.



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LOL!!!! Brilliant.