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[GBGriffin]

protognosis wrote...

Hark GBGriffin, I summon thee. with the light of Forummancy I bid thou comith!

ha.

I'm passing out as well got an Easter Magic tourney to win.

LET ME BE! ;(

[Lyria]

GBGriffin wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Hark GBGriffin, I summon thee. with the light of Forummancy I bid thou comith!

ha.

I'm passing out as well got an Easter Magic tourney to win.

LET ME BE! ;(

I bid thou leave and not bother a soul with your truthyness until the morrow.



Night man.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Hoping to get some discussion on this: my thoughts on the Catalyst/Starchild/Godchild, what it is and why it's randomly there at the end to give you choices. In response to seeing some comments around the forums questioning the reality of the Catalyst.

When I first saw it and in the shape of the boy Shepard failed to save I didn't think it was some kind of "god child" as people call it. I thought it might be the original VI or AI for the Citadel created by the first civilization to advance enough to create AI, the Mass Relays, the Citadel, the Reapers. If that's possible then it's advanced enough to take thoughts out of Shepard's mind, changing it's appearance to something Shepard can understand (e.i. what Legion does for you when you enter a Geth Consensus on Rannoch so that you can perceive their world in familiar shapes/structure.) It even uses your own Shepard's voice (male and female) mixed with that of the child.

When it presents you with his reasoning for the Reapers and even when it's letting you know your choices I remember thinking "Crazy AI Logic." Example, it says something like "We destroy you so you won't create something that destroys everything, otherwise eventually there would be nothing left." Only a crazy AI could come to that conclusion and apply it to all civilizations throughout galactic history. It's partially correct, and potentially true, but if Shepard can broker peace between the Geth and Quarian that should be evidence that peace is possible in the galaxy between organics and synthetics.

I think it's possible the Catalyst/Starchild/Godchild is something like Avina (the Citadel VI that gives you tours of the Citadel when prompted) but in AI form and far more advanced, and capable of controlling the Reapers, and also capable Indoctrination (since it can apparently get inside enough of your brain to pull out familiar images).

It's also possible, as Indoctrination Theorists have pointed out, that it's just more of the hallucination, an image picked out by Harbinger to guide you into their hands/claws/tentacles whatever.

Thoughts?

[DirtyPhoenix]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Hoping to get some discussion on this: my thoughts on the Catalyst/Starchild/Godchild, what it is and why it's randomly there at the end to give you choices. In response to seeing some comments around the forums questioning the reality of the Catalyst.

When I first saw it and in the shape of the boy Shepard failed to save I didn't think it was some kind of "god child" as people call it. I thought it might be the original VI or AI for the Citadel created by the first civilization to advance enough to create AI, the Mass Relays, the Citadel, the Reapers. If that's possible then it's advanced enough to take thoughts out of Shepard's mind, changing it's appearance to something Shepard can understand (e.i. what Legion does for you when you enter a Geth Consensus on Rannoch so that you can perceive their world in familiar shapes/structure.) It even uses your own Shepard's voice (male and female) mixed with that of the child.

When it presents you with his reasoning for the Reapers and even when it's letting you know your choices I remember thinking "Crazy AI Logic." Example, it says something like "We destroy you so you won't create something that destroys everything, otherwise eventually there would be nothing left." Only a crazy AI could come to that conclusion and apply it to all civilizations throughout galactic history. It's partially correct, and potentially true, but if Shepard can broker peace between the Geth and Quarian that should be evidence that peace is possible in the galaxy between organics and synthetics.

I think it's possible the Catalyst/Starchild/Godchild is something like Avina (the Citadel VI that gives you tours of the Citadel when prompted) but in AI form and far more advanced, and capable of controlling the Reapers, and also capable Indoctrination (since it can apparently get inside enough of your brain to pull out familiar images).

It's also possible, as Indoctrination Theorists have pointed out, that it's just more of the hallucination, an image picked out by Harbinger to guide you into their hands/claws/tentacles whatever.

Thoughts?

I've been thinking the same! The reason that starchild gives for the harvesting may sound insane from our point of view, but a crazy/rogue AI can perfectly come to that conclusion.

Modifié par pirate1802, 08 avril 2012 - 08:36 .

[Lyria]

DuskRose wrote...

GB, if anyone else jumps on you as a troll, point them my way. You are reasonable and make valid arguments without being derogatory towards others in the thread (unless provoked)

I'm jealous. :'(

I think my first encounter with GBGriffin (looks to see if he pops up) made me think of him as a troll but he's grown on me. He does think out his questions and responses.

[Liquoid]

Giving benefit of the doubt to posters is nigh impossible.

[GBGriffin]

It's possible. Again, I'm not perfect, and not all of my posts are thought out or friendly. I'd like to say that GBGriffin is actually several creative minds posting as one user, which would explain my uncanny ability to respond to posts in different tones...but, no, I just can't sleep.

[Arian Dynas]

GBGriffin wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...



Or, maybe he's just ****ing with us, who knows? Not aswering those questions would have looked worse than if they did, and notice he never explicitly stated anything that infers that IT is untrue, just the info that he gave about the suituation is possible.

So, rather than choosing to believe that he is answering these questions honestly, you're choosing to believe that he is "
just ****ing with us"? That seems pretty dismissive.

Whether or not answering them vs not answering them would have made him look worse, he actually did answer them, and he actually answered them in a way that would work in game with clarification..

Did he directly say the IT was false? No, he did not say this verbatim. What he did do, though, is offer answers that support a theory other than IT, which is that what we got is simply what we got, but not explained clearly enough. I suppose you can call that my opinion, but, to me, the general feel of that thread is that he is telling the truth by clarifying the endings as is, and people seem to love his candor.

I can't claim to know his motivations, so I merely give a possible option. Basically, beats the heck out of me what he means, they say they arent being proscriptive, but idk, everything they say could go in any direction right now, and as I said, refusing to answer the questions, or saying "I have no answers" rather than making something that seems to make sense is a worse  move PR wise.

Hence the explanations we get.

[GBGriffin]

Well, to me, they actually do go in a direction...just maybe not the direction you'd like them to go in. They seem to be explaining how the current endings work at face value, and people seem to be thanking him in general for making sense of what we got.

[Lyria]

GBGriffin wrote...

It's possible. Again, I'm not perfect, and not all of my posts are thought out or friendly. I'd like to say that GBGriffin is actually several creative minds posting as one user, which would explain my uncanny ability to respond to posts in different tones...but, no, I just can't sleep.

Ha. No sleep! That's forummancy for you.

On another point, is it sad that I read every post as if the poster is a character of whatever race/game that appears in their forum avatar?

[Arian Dynas]

nullobject wrote...

So Arian, to summarize:

a) The "Truth DLC" post on 4chan was legit. (Why do you think this?)

Bioware originally intended the Starchild ending to be real, but decided to alter it after the leak. Releasing the Starchild ending as originally scripted was a desperate play for time measure meant to give Bioware space to work out the "real" ending. Bioware actually had no idea what the final ending would be on release day, other than maybe a broad outline, and working out the "true" ending was to occupy the bulk of post-release effort. The reason they have chosen to use every public statement to imply that the released endings were the actual endings is...?

A). Yes. Same place, potentially same source that leaked LoTSB and Arrival, and the description for multiplayer stuff (down to the names of the classes chosen, their rather interesting descriptions, Krogan Battlemaster? Asari Justicar?) was spot on. If that much of the info was correct already, then either it was a very lucky guess indeed, or he has some inside info, Saint Occam is with me on this one.

They have not used every public staement to do so. In your opinion they have, in mine they have not, the only thing that contradicts my position as far as I can see is the recent Patrick Weakes interveiw, and I have already given my opinion on that.

But on the plus side for me, it's a win-win either way, if IDT is right, then I get the comfort of knowing Bioware is brilliant, as usual, EA is a canny marketer, the writers are excellent at what they do, and I can discount the bad stuff from the ending. If I am wrong, and the Weakes inteveiw is spot on the mark (and really, I can't see much backup for his satatements, you would figure they would be among some of the first PR statement, especially the placating ones, to come out of the mouths of, oh Idk, THEIR PR PEOPLE? You know, the ones whose job this is?) then the setting is still viable and I can continue to enjoy Mass Effect, perhaps with my enjoyment, SLIGHTLY lessened, but eh. Really, trying to do Mass Effect without the Mass Relays is kind of like trying to do Stargate without the, well Stargates. It's in the names for both after all.

[GBGriffin]

Haha, I don't think so I don't even remember why I picked the volus to begin with. Note my registration date; I never posted before the Space Edition was released, and even then I only posted in a discussion group before braving the forums.

[Arian Dynas]

GBGriffin wrote...

Haha, I don't *wheeze* think so, I don't even remember *wheeze* why I picked the volus to begin with *wheeze*. Note my registration date; I never *wheeze* posted before the Space Edition was *wheeze* released, and even then I only posted in a discussion clan *wheeze* before braving the *wheeze* forums.

[Lyria]

It just makes the post more fun.
I'm using gimp Shepard because the gimp Shepard meme is funny. Of course maybe that's just my neuroses kicking in.

How's that forummancy working out?

[GBGriffin]

Lol @Arian (on my phone, so quoting doesn't work well)

As for the forummancy...I'm hoping its power will wane, in time.

[Lyria]

Arian Dynas wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Haha, I don't *wheeze* think so, I don't even remember *wheeze* why I picked the volus to begin with *wheeze*. Note my registration date; I never *wheeze* posted before the Space Edition was *wheeze* released, and even then I only posted in a discussion clan *wheeze* before braving the *wheeze* forums.

Haha. If GBGriffin did that in his reply, he would've won internets.

But as is, that's a funny edit.

[Arian Dynas]

Hmm, I wonder, If I invoke he-who-must-not-be-typewritten in the proper way, can I get him to to the hair flip and the "yes Master" thing like Jeannie?

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 08 avril 2012 - 09:01 .

[Arian Dynas]

protognosis wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

Haha, I don't *wheeze* think so, I don't even remember *wheeze* why I picked the volus to begin with *wheeze*. Note my registration date; I never *wheeze* posted before the Space Edition was *wheeze* released, and even then I only posted in a discussion clan *wheeze* before braving the *wheeze* forums.

Haha. If GBGriffin did that in his reply, he would've won internets.

But as is, that's a funny edit.

In my case, it's difficult for me to transcribe Aedan Cousland's accent.

[Lyria]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hmm, I wonder, If I invoke he-who-must-not-be-typewritten in the proper way, can I get him to to the hair flip and the "yes Master" thing like Jeannie?

If, he does the "yes, wheeze, master!" as a Volos that would be funny s**t.

But you'd have to give him a magical lamp to live in. But n00bsauce2010 seems to have the best chance of getting his attention.

[GBGriffin]

Oh please no. Don't rely on his posts to get my attention

[nullobject]

Arian Dynas wrote...

nullobject wrote...

So Arian, to summarize:

a) The "Truth DLC" post on 4chan was legit. (Why do you think this?)

Bioware originally intended the Starchild ending to be real, but decided to alter it after the leak. Releasing the Starchild ending as originally scripted was a desperate play for time measure meant to give Bioware space to work out the "real" ending. Bioware actually had no idea what the final ending would be on release day, other than maybe a broad outline, and working out the "true" ending was to occupy the bulk of post-release effort. The reason they have chosen to use every public statement to imply that the released endings were the actual endings is...?

A). Yes. Same place, potentially same source that leaked LoTSB and Arrival, and the description for multiplayer stuff (down to the names of the classes chosen, their rather interesting descriptions, Krogan Battlemaster? Asari Justicar?) was spot on.  
If that much of the info was correct already, then either it was a very lucky guess indeed, or he has some inside info, Saint Occam is with me on this one. 

That's because the 4chan post copy and pasted details of a genuine leak about the multiplayer from Facebook. You did know that, right? The Facebook post was a genuine leak about the multiplayer pack. Then someone else posted that on 4chan and added some extra stuff about "The Truth" DLC.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Just to state something that will probably drown in the general trolling:
Patrick Weeks said in that interview that they argued wether or not EDI would be destroyed in the Destroy-Ending, and he says he thinks she would because "she's Reapertech". But.. the godchild didn't say "destroy all Reapertech", it said "destroy all synthetic life". So.. logic fail?

[Lyria]

Hahahaha!!!!!
I loved how someone made a comment that y'all love each other because y'all troll each other hardcore.

[Arian Dynas]

nullobject wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

nullobject wrote...

So Arian, to summarize:

a) The "Truth DLC" post on 4chan was legit. (Why do you think this?)

Bioware originally intended the Starchild ending to be real, but decided to alter it after the leak. Releasing the Starchild ending as originally scripted was a desperate play for time measure meant to give Bioware space to work out the "real" ending. Bioware actually had no idea what the final ending would be on release day, other than maybe a broad outline, and working out the "true" ending was to occupy the bulk of post-release effort. The reason they have chosen to use every public statement to imply that the released endings were the actual endings is...?

A). Yes. Same place, potentially same source that leaked LoTSB and Arrival, and the description for multiplayer stuff (down to the names of the classes chosen, their rather interesting descriptions, Krogan Battlemaster? Asari Justicar?) was spot on.  
If that much of the info was correct already, then either it was a very lucky guess indeed, or he has some inside info, Saint Occam is with me on this one. 

That's because the 4chan post copy and pasted details of a genuine leak about the multiplayer from Facebook. You did know that, right? The Facebook post was a genuine leak about the multiplayer pack. Then someone else posted that on 4chan and added some extra stuff about "The Truth" DLC.

Really now? Ok then. Give me proof, I want to see links.


Also, I might add, just looked it up, it seems the sae guy made the post via reddit, which also seems to have the same text according to the posts on it, also, Resurgence is free, he was right about that too.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 08 avril 2012 - 09:16 .