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[liggy002]

Geran85 wrote...

IT is the ending for me. Unless Bioware does something spectacular, I'll pretty much ignore any additional content to the ending and assume that it was true in 'my' world.

That said, if IT does turn out to be true, wouldn't it be cool (and scary and disheartening) if having made a wrong choice that lead to complete indoctrination (any choice that is not Destroy) lead to your very own Shepard being a Harbinger-controlled villain in any additional content that is released? I'd love it, personally.

I don't know what to think at this point ..... they just keep holding back info.  I will agree that IT will always be true in my world since anything else they release in regards to an explanation will suck.

[GBGriffin]

What's funny is that while I don't consider 9 to be the best, I still loved it and can't understand why people don't care for it as much (well, the people I've discussed it with) I thought it was good.

I actually haven't played any of the Baldur's Gate games; I was into FPS's around the time they came out (played Unreal Tournament somewhat "professionally"), so I actually missed a fair deal of RPG goodness around that time (my friends and I played the hell out of NWN though)

[nullobject]

Arian Dynas wrote...

 as to your second buit, I refer you to my original post on my theory as to why they would cut it off and give it to us now.

I thought you were a big fan of William of Ockham?

Isn't there a simpler explanation as to why the 4chan post had some details correct (which had all been previously published elsewhere) and some wrong?

[Arian Dynas]

nullobject wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

 as to your second buit, I refer you to my original post on my theory as to why they would cut it off and give it to us now.

I thought you were a big fan of William of Ockham?

Isn't there a simpler explanation as to why the 4chan post had some details correct (which had all been previously published elsewhere) and some wrong?

No less simple in my point of veiw that greed, rather than the assumption of idiocy.


Also, morever, what do you gain from this? You want me to admit, "You're right, I was wrong to ever defy your genius in predicting the motives of Bioware and Ea, being able to just assume they're complete idiots, let us dance together as we discuss how much the world sucks and how smart you are for not being fooled?"

Even If I am wrong, is it wrong to let me have hope?

Either way, I don't think I'm wrong.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 08 avril 2012 - 12:00 .

[Legion109]

Krogan Krogan Krogan, Krogan just be Trollin

- Side note - Commander Shepard by Miracle of Sound just started playing when I clicked on this page

[Byakuren2009]

Hi, any new things?

[LeRavelle]

Everyone is having Easter I think, it's quite today.

[HellishFiend]

GBGriffin wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Well if IT turns out to have been Bioware's plan all along (which I believe it is), then it would make sense that they want you to see what happens if you, as the player, bought into the star child's BS. After witnessing the consequences, you can then go back after reevaluating the situation to see what happens if you resist indoctrination. 

If you think about it, this is really the only way to soft-force the consequences of having their Shepard be indoctrinated onto the player, while also giving them the opportunity to overcome it. The only other ways to do it would involve gameplay mechanics (which Bioware said in an interview they tried to do but couldnt pull off) or reputation/decision related choices, which is more of a hard force on the player that doesnt have nearly the same immersion. 

If it forces you to go back and evalute your choice over again...is it truly an ending? Why not just end the game on three different and distinct notes instead of showing you two negative consequences and hoping you'll be...I dunno, "smart enough" to pick the third, the "correct" option? Again, your implementaion would leave Destroy as the "true" ending if the others end on a similar tone, which would be "Reload and pick Destroy to find out what really happens next."

To me, the biggest selling point of IT was always that more content would happen after Shep "wakes up", even if he/she wakes up and is indoctrinated. If they implement IT, and only use cinematics, then Shep wakes up and does...what? More specifically, what does the player do? Shep would have to "finish the fight" with the Reapers in a cutscene, one that the player wouldn't even be able to control without gameplay elements. We'd be talking about possible MGS4-length cutscenes which would have to end the Reaper threat and then show a resolution...that seems like asking for quite a bit in terms of cutscene content with no gameplay.

Yes, it would have been nice for the story to be 100% resolved with the on-disc content, but its possible that there are other factors at work, such as Bioware deciding that playing it from this angle was the only way to truly fool the player in a real-world manner. The other possibility is that they simply wanted to buy more time for themselves to finish the ending while still being able to get the game out on the shelves. I think it is probably a combination of the two. 

In any case, I think it is very possible for them to nicely wrap up the ending in the context of the IT without any actual gameplay. I'm assuming Shepard would wake up in London regrardless, and you get to watch the subsequent events unfold. 

[HellishFiend]

Byakuren2009 wrote...

Mr. Mistake wrote...

Geran85 wrote...

IT is the ending for me. Unless Bioware does something spectacular, I'll pretty much ignore any additional content to the ending and assume that it was true in 'my' world.

That said, if IT does turn out to be true, wouldn't it be cool (and scary and disheartening) if having made a wrong choice that lead to complete indoctrination (any choice that is not Destroy) lead to your very own Shepard being a Harbinger-controlled villain in any additional content that is released? I'd love it, personally.

Plus one.

+1 too

I do think this is actually what will happen. I'm calling it now. 

[Chief Commander]

Here, have some motivation guys and girls

No matter what Wilkes said, continue to hold the line.

www.youtube.com/watch

[HellishFiend]

Chief Commander wrote...

Here, have some motivation guys and girls

No matter what Wilkes said, continue to hold the line.

www.youtube.com/watch

I liked it. =)

[GBGriffin]

@HellishFiend

The subsequent events, though, would be the defeat of all the Reapers, or at least Harbinger, and a satusfying resolution to the trilogy. To me, that's asking quite a lot in terms of pretty significant events from a few cutscenes that would have, presumably, no player interaction.

Again, the idea that you'd wake up and watch Shep defeat the Reaper army in a cutscene, as well as witness the aftermath, seems like a more viable solution than them just clarifying their ending like Weekes did in his unofficial interview? Again, if Shep is indoctrinated, why address any of the concerns about the relays, the Ciradel, FTL, and others?

Were his answers some elaborate smokescreen to protect the integrity of a hidden agenda, or a writer, who seems like an honest guy by all accounts, clarifying what we got at face value? To me, the latter is more likely, especially in light of the backlash and other defenses of the current endibg, but the IT only works with the former, so I'm not surprised people think he's being dishonest.

[lex0r11]

Is everyone being civil? Hm?





You wouldn't want to ****** HER of, would you?

[GBGriffin]

Actually, I have difficulty editing posts from my phone, but I feel this is a very crucial question:

Do you believe the word of a writer (not a project manager, not Casey Hudson, but a writer on the team, someone whose reputation still seems solid) who is trying to clarify, pre-DLC, what happened to the ending, or a fan-made theory that has not been confirmed (or openly denied, I suppose)?

If you're choosing to ignore Weekes's remarks, even if they're unofficial, you are choosing to ignore the statements of a writer, who knows what the intent was and is trying to explain it, in favor of a theory drafted by the fans. Personally, I'll believe the writer.

[Erethrian]

GBGriffin wrote...

@HellishFiend

The subsequent events, though, would be the defeat of all the Reapers, or at least Harbinger, and a satusfying resolution to the trilogy. To me, that's asking quite a lot in terms of pretty significant events from a few cutscenes that would have, presumably, no player interaction.

Again, the idea that you'd wake up and watch Shep defeat the Reaper army in a cutscene, as well as witness the aftermath, seems like a more viable solution than them just clarifying their ending like Weekes did in his unofficial interview? Again, if Shep is indoctrinated, why address any of the concerns about the relays, the Ciradel, FTL, and others?

Were his answers some elaborate smokescreen to protect the integrity of a hidden agenda, or a writer, who seems like an honest guy by all accounts, clarifying what we got at face value? To me, the latter is more likely, especially in light of the backlash and other defenses of the current endibg, but the IT only works with the former, so I'm not surprised people think he's being dishonest.

Because maybe not everything was a simple hallucination. Maybe your choices did matter, so maybe you were at the citadel. The current idea for the IT says that everything was a hallucination, indoctrination. While I agree with the IT, I have to admit that we don't really know if everything was hallucination. Maybe Shepard's having hallucinations on his/her way to fire the Crucible, to me the Starchild is the ghostly presence. And the citadel maybe was destroyed (even if not entirely), maybe even the Mass Relays... But we won't know the truth until summer, now.

So, I believe in the IT, even if it's not the exact thing we imagine it is.

Modifié par Erethrian, 08 avril 2012 - 12:24 .

[MaximizedAction]

lex0r11 wrote...

Is everyone being civil? Hm?





You wouldn't want to ****** HER of, would you?

Hehehe, no sir, I would not.
Btw, they did some awesome emotion animation with her. The most convincing onces beside Shepard.

[GBGriffin]

@Ererethrian

I thought that the Citadel destruction was triggered by shooting the tube, yet people seem to believe that is actually a part of the dream. How can it be both taking place in Sheps head, resulting in him or her waking up on Earth, and also in reality by actually blowing up the Citadel?

[GBGriffin]

Also, sorry for the new post (don't feel like making my way to the desktop), but something else to consider.

If Shep is being indoctrinated, but actually does blow up the relays and the Citadel in reality, then how can Shep resist the indoctrination if it is already affecting him or her to this degree? How would you explain the breath scene if Shepard isn't conscious? People seem to be in agreement that the rubble is in London, and that reentry is highly unlikely.

[naddaya]

GBGriffin wrote...

Also, sorry for the new post (don't feel like making my way to the desktop), but something else to consider.

If Shep is being indoctrinated, but actually does blow up the relays and the Citadel in reality, then how can Shep resist the indoctrination if it is already affecting him or her to this degree? How would you explain the breath scene if Shepard isn't conscious? People seem to be in agreement that the rubble is in London, and that reentry is highly unlikely.

I always took the breath as Shep regaining consciousness. Reentry would have splattered him all over the ground, so I'd say it's not an option.

[GBGriffin]

@m_k

If it is Shep regaining consciousness, then what was the hallucination, and how does it relate to the clarification of deaths on the Citadel, FTL, and Weekes's other points?

Did the Citadel and relays blow up, or was that all in Shep's head. If it was all in Shep's head, why bother clarifying the fate of the galaxy in terms if FTL?

[Legion12Centurion]

I don really understand the ending completely but lets say shephards story is over... That was what they said all along... Maybe they want to save the other stories the so called after math to a 4th parth in the series?

They have said all along save your game files and not to make a 4th installement in one of their most succesfull brands would be stupid.

As we have the old republic MMO im sceptical it would be an MMO.

Maybe just a 4th taking place exactly where we left in the 3rd with new characters and many new!

I think the best thing we can do is to keep this thread open and continue discuss the ending and It and other theoires.

Just a quick question what do you think the DLC will contain?

I hope a little more light on the reapers will do... They have said that they will not make any more end dlc and afterwards but they havent denounced anything before...

Omega/crucible thats what I think it is and cerberus took it over because of that:)

I also wonder if they might release something like finding out more about the reapers and setting upp potential sequel.

(I need to change avatar banshee gives me nightmares and to have to watch it everytime I look here makes me nervous)

[GBGriffin]

Honestly, if I was a "believer", I would try to reconcile the IT with Weekes's clarification of the events as though they happened in reality.

Basically, is it possible to make the IT work side by side with taking the ending at face value (which I feel they've defended and Weekes is unofficially clarifying)? If not, wouldn't the statements of a writer with credibility left take precedence over a fan theory?

[DirtyPhoenix]

I'd say the possibility of me turning out to be a geth is far more than Shepard falling to Earth unharmed.

[Voodzik]

Okay. Two points. One, explaining how something is possible isn't the same as saying it's true. In fact, it's classic evasion. "Did you steal my sandwich?" "Well, I could have. Dog might have gotten it too...." What was actually said was....NOTHING. Bioware has been pretty good at saying nothing and using lots of words to do it all through this.

Second, I picked synthesis. And part of me hopes my shepherd just dies after that. I picked destroy on my next play through, and I was fine with that. You can make many choices in the game that just kill you. You can choose not to take cover or shoot back. You can choose to try to hug an atlas. Why should failing those challenges presented by the enemies kill you and not (if IT is true) the most pivotal one in the game?

Modifié par Voodzik, 08 avril 2012 - 01:10 .