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[blooregard]

lavosslayer wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

prizm123 wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...



Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?

how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there

Oh Sure! Bring down the entire Hallucination Thread of Hope with one little post. Thanks...

I was also under the impression that N7 with the little red detail under it was considered to be a commander shepard trademark as every customized set of armor has the N7 and red and white stripes somewhere on it (except the kestrel armor) 

your right it is Shepard...why would it make any sense at all to be anyone else at that point in time!? I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE BAD STORY WRITING COP OUT AS AN ANSWER! lol

my point is N7 is a very exclusive title and there are only a few of them ever mentioned in the entire MEverse

I do however know one of the marine companies/squads you can pick up as a war asset have a bunch of N5s with a few N6s so N7 isn't something you'd see normally

[John Never Dies]

If this is a big trololo by Bioware.

How would they tell us though?

I feel like to do this they would need to have something planned like a internet easter egg hunt or video or something.

Speaking of videos and Vega, did anyone watch that Vega film?

[RagingCeltik]

I just finished the game and I get why it pissed people off and why they wouldn't like it. I got it though. The choices Shepard faced in the end were beyond just destroying the Reapers.

I like stories that require sacrifice on the Hero's part. And lets face it, after the War with the Reapers, where would have Shepard fit in the Galaxy. Hate to be a !NERD! and reference Lord of the Rings, but Shepard parallels Frodo in this. She saved the galaxy, but not for herself. For her, there was never any going home. She had moved beyond it. So I think the endings for Mass Effect 3 fit.

That said. I wish there was more to it. More video. I think the credits were longer than the final sequences after the choice was made. I wanted to see more of the effects of the choice I made reflected in a longer-than-3-minute video, Especially after devoting my time to this after 3 full games.

[Hunter_Wolf]

BigBossBoo wrote...

 

"no you can't.  We've created the cycle so that never happens.""I know you've thought about destroying us""Or do you think you can control us""We already controlled him""I control the reapers."  "I created the reapers.""The cycle will end.  Synthesis is the final form of life.  But we need each other to make it happen."

Nitpicking the GC's dialogue.  Notice he says he created the Reapers to control the chaos and that he controls them.  Yet he uses "us" and "we" a lot, especially with destroying the reapers and TIM.  Despite the way he seems to differentiate himself from the reapers by sayin he made and controls them, he speaks as if he IS a reaper.

Also notice that GC in the beginning, despite saying he created the reapers to control the chaos and help species ascend, then says at the synthesis, "We need each other" to "make synthesis happen."  The reapers need organic life to reproduce.  To their logic, organics need them to control the chaos of evolution and reach "the pinnacle of evolution" IE themselves.  I think the reapers are an organic race who ended up in a rebellious war with synthetics they made, decided the best solution was to merge with their creations to end the conflict and broker peace, creating Harbringer, the first reaper.  They need other organic life to reproduce, and in becoming the first reaper, have a god complex that all life need to reach their form to prevent going through what they went through and that they are truly the best evolutionary thing.  "The final form of life"

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/ 

The original premise would of been a great way to explain the existance of the Reapers and could of been expanded on to explain the Catalyst itself and why. The ending inferiates me because it doesn't answer anything except the chance to save my Shepard should I sacrifice the Geth which to me is downright stupid, why go through all the hard work to attain peace between two species only to turn around and go,

"LOL NOPE!"

Destroying the Reapers seemed like the best option to me because that's how I took Shepard from ME1 and all the way through. It was a consisent choice I tried to stick with, "I'll win this war and I'll do it without sacrificing the soul of our species." NEVER COMPROMISE!

[lookingglassmind]

Holy CRAP. Are you SERIOUS??

There... was a PICTURE of the Catalyst, the whole time, on the Normandy? In Diana Allers' room?

Indoctrination device FTW!

[N3vDawg]

Warhawk7137 wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

I noticed that the conversation with TIM is almost exactly the same as your conversation with Saren on ME1. It may even be word for word, but I haven't gotten the chance to analyze it. Every option I had when speaking with Saren, I had with TIM. Even the fact that I didn't have enough paragon points in the first game for the final paragon option reappeared in the final dialogue choices just like ME1 and I wasn't able to choose the final paragon option. Others who were able to get the last option had TIM shoot himself, just like Saren! It's interesting and it might be further proof that it's all a figment of shepards imagination or it's just Shep conflicting with him/herself in the same fashion as Saren. I would love to know if my theory has any merit, as I do not have any time to check it out myself. Thanks for the thread, it's been mind blowing.

It's not really word for word... if you look at my post on the previous page, I think Saren would fall more under the Synthesis/Despair category.  Saren would choose Synthesis, TIM would choose control.

In a way, it would have made more sense to have Saren up there rather than the boy, advocating for the synthesis path.  But, then, doing so would have made it obvious that the synthesis path was the wrong one.

Honestly, they could have made the ending great with just a little more clarity about it being a hallucination, and a Saren cameo.  Then you have Saren, TIM, and Anderson - would be a nice group of people to represent everything the game was about.

That may be true, but the conversation unfolded in such a similar fashion. And I swear, I recognize a lot of dialogue.

[rogueagent6]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Holy CRAP. Are you SERIOUS??

There... was a PICTURE of the Catalyst, the whole time, on the Normandy? In Diana Allers' room?

Indoctrination device FTW!

Not sure if it was on the wall in DA's quarters, it is definitely on the wall on the Citadel.

[N3vDawg]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Holy CRAP. Are you SERIOUS??

There... was a PICTURE of the Catalyst, the whole time, on the Normandy? In Diana Allers' room?

Indoctrination device FTW!

What? Where did you learn of this? I must know!

[Lambchopz]

blooregard wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

prizm123 wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...



Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?

how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there

Oh Sure! Bring down the entire Hallucination Thread of Hope with one little post. Thanks...

I was also under the impression that N7 with the little red detail under it was considered to be a commander shepard trademark as every customized set of armor has the N7 and red and white stripes somewhere on it (except the kestrel armor) 

your right it is Shepard...why would it make any sense at all to be anyone else at that point in time!? I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE BAD STORY WRITING COP OUT AS AN ANSWER! lol

my point is N7 is a very exclusive title and there are only a few of them ever mentioned in the entire MEverse

I do however know one of the marine companies/squads you can pick up as a war asset have a bunch of N5s with a few N6s so N7 isn't something you'd see normally

The only other person you know personally who is N7 is James Vega, and that doesn't even happen until you're well into the main story and you've talked to him enough.

He asks you if you think it's a good idea to join N7, and you can convince him/not convince him to do it if you want. He also talks about getting some N7 related tattoo on the Citadel after that conversation in the holding docks.

Anyways, my point is, yes, N7 personnel are extremely rare, they are the best of the best and often command their own units (ala Shepard). I don't know what the signifigance of puting a random unknown N7 commander inhaling for a half a second as the "secret ending" would be. It's pretty clear that it's Shepard, not clear if it means anything else.

[BlackDragonBane]

Lambchopz wrote...

blooregard wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

prizm123 wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...



Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?

how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there

Oh Sure! Bring down the entire Hallucination Thread of Hope with one little post. Thanks...

I was also under the impression that N7 with the little red detail under it was considered to be a commander shepard trademark as every customized set of armor has the N7 and red and white stripes somewhere on it (except the kestrel armor) 

your right it is Shepard...why would it make any sense at all to be anyone else at that point in time!? I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE BAD STORY WRITING COP OUT AS AN ANSWER! lol

my point is N7 is a very exclusive title and there are only a few of them ever mentioned in the entire MEverse

I do however know one of the marine companies/squads you can pick up as a war asset have a bunch of N5s with a few N6s so N7 isn't something you'd see normally

The only other person you know personally who is N7 is James Vega, and that doesn't even happen until you're well into the main story and you've talked to him enough.

He asks you if you think it's a good idea to join N7, and you can convince him/not convince him to do it if you want. He also talks about getting some N7 related tattoo on the Citadel after that conversation in the holding docks.

Anyways, my point is, yes, N7 personnel are extremely rare, they are the best of the best and often command their own units (ala Shepard). I don't know what the signifigance of puting a random unknown N7 commander inhaling for a half a second as the "secret ending" would be. It's pretty clear that it's Shepard, not clear if it means anything else.

Plus, no other N7 members have ever been made mention of in the story or participating in the assualt team lead by Shepard. To throw one in at that point would have been more enraging.

[CreepingGeth]

RagingCeltik wrote...

I just finished the game and I get why it pissed people off and why they wouldn't like it. I got it though. The choices Shepard faced in the end were beyond just destroying the Reapers.

I like stories that require sacrifice on the Hero's part. And lets face it, after the War with the Reapers, where would have Shepard fit in the Galaxy. Hate to be a !NERD! and reference Lord of the Rings, but Shepard parallels Frodo in this. She saved the galaxy, but not for herself. For her, there was never any going home. She had moved beyond it. So I think the endings for Mass Effect 3 fit.

That said. I wish there was more to it. More video. I think the credits were longer than the final sequences after the choice was made. I wanted to see more of the effects of the choice I made reflected in a longer-than-3-minute video, Especially after devoting my time to this after 3 full games.

I'm all for Shepard dying too. The thing is, though, Shepard didn't die in the best ending and nothing about the climax makes any sense.

[rogueagent6]

Lambchopz wrote...

The only other person you know personally who is N7 is James Vega, and that doesn't even happen until you're well into the main story and you've talked to him enough.

He was only selected to try out for the N7 program. Similar to trying out fo the Navy Seals, just because you are selected to try doesn't mean you're going to make it. He wouldn't have become N7 until well after the events of ME3, if he survives at all.

[blooregard]

Lambchopz wrote...

blooregard wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

prizm123 wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...



Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?

how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there

Oh Sure! Bring down the entire Hallucination Thread of Hope with one little post. Thanks...

I was also under the impression that N7 with the little red detail under it was considered to be a commander shepard trademark as every customized set of armor has the N7 and red and white stripes somewhere on it (except the kestrel armor) 

your right it is Shepard...why would it make any sense at all to be anyone else at that point in time!? I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE BAD STORY WRITING COP OUT AS AN ANSWER! lol

my point is N7 is a very exclusive title and there are only a few of them ever mentioned in the entire MEverse

I do however know one of the marine companies/squads you can pick up as a war asset have a bunch of N5s with a few N6s so N7 isn't something you'd see normally

The only other person you know personally who is N7 is James Vega, and that doesn't even happen until you're well into the main story and you've talked to him enough.

He asks you if you think it's a good idea to join N7, and you can convince him/not convince him to do it if you want. He also talks about getting some N7 related tattoo on the Citadel after that conversation in the holding docks.

Anyways, my point is, yes, N7 personnel are extremely rare, they are the best of the best and often command their own units (ala Shepard). I don't know what the signifigance of puting a random unknown N7 commander inhaling for a half a second as the "secret ending" would be. It's pretty clear that it's Shepard, not clear if it means anything else.

captain anderson is one of the first and most decorated N7 officer kai lang was also an N7 I believe 

[noobcannon]

at :07 - :09 doesn't that look like a car? or am i really reaching now?

[Larask]

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

I'm starting to believe the theory that the "Shepard breath" ending is indeed Shep waking after being hit earlier. Indeed it would make sense that EA would release additional/real endings on a dlc.

Yeah but you only get that if you choose to destroy. What about the other options? Shepard doesn't wake up? lol it doesn't make sense. 

[illathid]

Just a quick bit other people may be able to do something with: the track that plays when the crew is stepping out of the wrecked Normandy is called "Das Malefitz." Apparently this is based on the Latin word maleficus (mischievous, profane).

Significant maybe?

[mupp3tz]

Larask wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Hey, whoa. Just noticed something major here in my Art of Mass Effect universe book I got today. Under the Illusive Man's page it reads, "One of the plans on the drawing board was to have the Illusive Man turn into a Reaper creature for the final battle. Eventually, this plan was scrapped, since we wanted to give players the satisfaction of fighting a character they know rather than a random creature."

We don't have a final battle now, and Kai Leng isn't really a 'character we know'... so what are they referencing?

I also just checked and it says this in the art book that came with the CE too

Wow, I was literally just looking at the same page about T.I.M before I saw your post. I don't know what to make of it. They said they deleted that, but mention we were going to fight it. As of now, we can't really fight it, so it could possibly mean something bigger. 

"Fighting a character you know" could mean in regards to TIM as we've known him vs. TIM as a freakish Reaper monster.

[Lambchopz]

blooregard wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

blooregard wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

prizm123 wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...



Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?

how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there

Oh Sure! Bring down the entire Hallucination Thread of Hope with one little post. Thanks...

I was also under the impression that N7 with the little red detail under it was considered to be a commander shepard trademark as every customized set of armor has the N7 and red and white stripes somewhere on it (except the kestrel armor) 

your right it is Shepard...why would it make any sense at all to be anyone else at that point in time!? I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE BAD STORY WRITING COP OUT AS AN ANSWER! lol

my point is N7 is a very exclusive title and there are only a few of them ever mentioned in the entire MEverse

I do however know one of the marine companies/squads you can pick up as a war asset have a bunch of N5s with a few N6s so N7 isn't something you'd see normally

The only other person you know personally who is N7 is James Vega, and that doesn't even happen until you're well into the main story and you've talked to him enough.

He asks you if you think it's a good idea to join N7, and you can convince him/not convince him to do it if you want. He also talks about getting some N7 related tattoo on the Citadel after that conversation in the holding docks.

Anyways, my point is, yes, N7 personnel are extremely rare, they are the best of the best and often command their own units (ala Shepard). I don't know what the signifigance of puting a random unknown N7 commander inhaling for a half a second as the "secret ending" would be. It's pretty clear that it's Shepard, not clear if it means anything else.

captain anderson is one of the first and most decorated N7 officer kai lang was also an N7 I believe 

True. I forgot about Anderson. In any event, this isn't really important to the debate about the theory.

The person at the end of the 'secret' ending is clearly Shepard. That's all we need to know.

[Doctor Quinn]

The kid's pic is in the citadel which we know is a reaper, because sovereign told us they built the relays and the citadel to control development of civilization. We also know weird things occur on the citadel that somehow all the alien races ignore for all its quirkiness and make ridiculous rules like don't scan or study the keepers and leave the blackboxes alone.

[IronSabbath88]

Larask wrote...

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

I'm starting to believe the theory that the "Shepard breath" ending is indeed Shep waking after being hit earlier. Indeed it would make sense that EA would release additional/real endings on a dlc.

Yeah but you only get that if you choose to destroy. What about the other options? Shepard doesn't wake up? lol it doesn't make sense. 

That's not to say he won't. It's just BioWare's way of showing you that all your hard work paid off with a "hint hint, nudge nudge" sort of thing.

[Archeron Smith]

sorry for the n00b question but my EMS is 6000+ and i chose the destroy option yet i didn't see the shepard lives ending.

am i meant to sit through the entire ending credits or am i doing something wrong?

[NoUserNameHere]

noobcannon wrote...



at :07 - :09 doesn't that look like a car? or am i really reaching now?

Looked like part of an escalator to me. London Underground? 

[CreepingGeth]

@Archeron Did you shoot Illusive Man before he shot Anderson?

Modifié par CreepingGeth, 12 mars 2012 - 04:56 .

[Madcat 124]

CreepingGeth wrote...

RagingCeltik wrote...

I just finished the game and I get why it pissed people off and why they wouldn't like it. I got it though. The choices Shepard faced in the end were beyond just destroying the Reapers.

I like stories that require sacrifice on the Hero's part. And lets face it, after the War with the Reapers, where would have Shepard fit in the Galaxy. Hate to be a !NERD! and reference Lord of the Rings, but Shepard parallels Frodo in this. She saved the galaxy, but not for herself. For her, there was never any going home. She had moved beyond it. So I think the endings for Mass Effect 3 fit.

That said. I wish there was more to it. More video. I think the credits were longer than the final sequences after the choice was made. I wanted to see more of the effects of the choice I made reflected in a longer-than-3-minute video, Especially after devoting my time to this after 3 full games.

I'm all for Shepard dying too. The thing is, though, Shepard didn't die in the best ending and nothing about the climax makes any sense.

I'm okay with Shepard dying, but not with the destroying all technology and screwing over everyone part. That's what got me. The little boy never said anything about destroying mass relays and such.

[Ainyan42]

Archeron Smith wrote...

sorry for the n00b question but my EMS is 6000+ and i chose the destroy option yet i didn't see the shepard lives ending.

am i meant to sit through the entire ending credits or am i doing something wrong?

Yes, it doesn't show until after the credits.