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[Baldsake]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

More evidence for Indoctrination Theory,

My Shepard had her whole family and friends slaughtered like animals back on Mindoir.....
She didn't get traumitized or have ****ed up dreams about those people then. Why now?

Don't say war because that's a cop-out. If she's strong enough to not be traumitized then she wouldn't be now.

lol you call that evidence?
EDIT: not trying to troll, i'm all for the IDT but be careful calling things evidence and facts when it really isnt..

Modifié par Baldsake, 09 avril 2012 - 10:27 .

[Emperor_Ike]

Baldsake wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

More evidence for Indoctrination Theory,

My Shepard had her whole family and friends slaughtered like animals back on Mindoir.....
She didn't get traumitized or have ****ed up dreams about those people then. Why now?

Don't say war because that's a cop-out. If she's strong enough to not be traumitized then she wouldn't be now.

lol you call that evidence?
EDIT: not trying to troll, i'm all for the IDT but be careful calling things evidence and facts when it really isnt..

If that happened to you when you were 15ish, you'd be :whistle: for life.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

More evidence for Indoctrination Theory,

My Shepard had her whole family and friends slaughtered like animals back on Mindoir.....
She didn't get traumitized or have ****ed up dreams about those people then. Why now?

Don't say war because that's a cop-out. If she's strong enough to not be traumitized then she wouldn't be now.

Byne said as much a while back, and what it comes down to is this: not only did Mindoir not break Shepard, but Shep was a teen back then. As in much more susceptible to emotional trauma. S/he can only have gotten stronger in the interim, more able to deal with whacked-out crazy stuff like that.

I think it's entirely possible Shepard had nightmares and PTSD and the like after Mindoir/The Blitz on Elysium/the Thresher Maw massacre on Akuze we just didn't see it, it occurs years before ME1. It's also possible Shepard's past still haunts him/her during the previous games, but Shepard has dealt with it enough to continue the mission. It's even possible Shepard has similar nightmares about Sovereign and the Collectors and losing squadmates, we just don't see them/Bioware doesn't show us. Shepard is still human, still has regrets and still suffers loss, it's the big reason he/she is a successful character.

The presence of the nightmares, the mere fact Shepard has them and we get to play through them,  in ME3 isn't paticularly strong evidence of Indoctrination, BUT it's the nature of the Nightmares that further proves it.

To be clear, I believe in Indoctrination Theory, but I don't think it's plausible for Shepard NOT to have nightmares about his or her past throughout his or her life.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 09 avril 2012 - 10:34 .

[Jadebaby]

Baldsake wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

More evidence for Indoctrination Theory,

My Shepard had her whole family and friends slaughtered like animals back on Mindoir.....
She didn't get traumitized or have ****ed up dreams about those people then. Why now?

Don't say war because that's a cop-out. If she's strong enough to not be traumitized then she wouldn't be now.

lol you call that evidence?
EDIT: not trying to troll, i'm all for the IDT but be careful calling things evidence and facts when it really isnt..

I was trolling at first, but then it kinda made sense lol.

[mr.surv]

Don't fear the reeeaaapeeeerrrrrrr

[refuse81]

Has it been discussed in this thread how a lot of indoctrination evidence is 'evident' in the first two games? Wouldn't that mean all of the new ME3 players have even less of an idea as to what is really going on in the end, hypothetically speaking? Why make an ending that requires that much insight?

[Ravel1992]

lex0r11 wrote...

Rob Psyence wrote...

Continue to stand with me my IT brothers and sisters, we MAY be two steps from hell, but we WILL HOLD THE LINE!!

Now that's the spirit.

"Shepard was there for you.
 Will you be there for Shepard?
 Hold the line."

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[gunslinger_ruiz]

refuse81 wrote...

Has it been discussed in this thread how a lot of indoctrination evidence is 'evident' in the first two games? Wouldn't that mean all of the new ME3 players have even less of an idea as to what is really going on in the end, hypothetically speaking? Why make an ending that requires that much insight?

I don't think you need to play the previous games to possibly see it in ME3. The main things you'd need to see are 1. the codex entry on Indoctrination 2. the nightmares and 3. The Illusive Man's fall into Indoctrination. Shepard's breath scene helps too, but to your credit the way the Indoctrination is pulled off (if it's true) is pretty far out there in terms of a Theory if you Don't connect all the dots. But that's what this thread is for .

I've played all 3 games (a lot) and Indoctrination didn't even enter my mind to start with.  At first I thought something was just....off about how the ending played out, something wasn't right, things were backwards, things seemed like one of Shepard's nightmares. So came on the forums and saw the words "Indoctrination Theory" and immediatley started connectings things.

[Big G13]

Emperor_Ike wrote...



Just watched this vid. Thought for sure I saw the link in this thread, but looking back I don't. Anyway. Epic.

The guy says he's harsh on IT... but I
didn't see that. We wouldn't need IT if they hadn't fallen asleep on the
line in the first place. IT is catharsis, that's all. Whether true or
not, it's just for us to cope with this miserable ending. If they
introduce a retcon ending big enough that IT isn't needed, zip zam zoob,
it's gone. Simple. But that's precisely what won't happen. Good job on that one, duders.

Personal preference is for IT to have been part of the plan all along. But when taken with all the rest of the stuff that doesn't make sense, as you'll see in the video, I just don't know.

That was ....... beautiful. Thanks.

[lex0r11]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Baldsake wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

More evidence for Indoctrination Theory,

My Shepard had her whole family and friends slaughtered like animals back on Mindoir.....
She didn't get traumitized or have ****ed up dreams about those people then. Why now?

Don't say war because that's a cop-out. If she's strong enough to not be traumitized then she wouldn't be now.

lol you call that evidence?
EDIT: not trying to troll, i'm all for the IDT but be careful calling things evidence and facts when it really isnt..

If that happened to you when you were 15ish, you'd be :whistle: for life.

Shepard is the probably the s h i t when it comes to willpower, but we never see what happens before the whole game trilogy, right?


I witnessed death at the age of 14, it's totally common that things like this will kind of "move" you.

As for the war thing.
I'm 22, i was with the military for almost two years, now just a student of literature. Never was part of something covered in international news but i had my experiences. Anyways, i personally know people who could give their account on things that could fall under stuff that will "**** you up".

Almost too unrelated, but who am i kidding? I'm sidetracking lex0r.

Modifié par lex0r11, 09 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[MeldarthX]

Food for thought -

Chris Mills Chris Mills ‏ @MrChr15topher
@JessicaMerizan @Geousprime Quarians dont die cos its not reaper tech? Then why do Geth Die? I no EDI has sovereign code so that makes sense
Jessica Merizan Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan
@MrChr15topher we don't see the Geth die so there's no reason that the Guardian isn't being completely honest


Proof starchild is lieing about somethings can possibly equal = lieing about all things = about itself.........and IT theory has a nice boost

[Big G13]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...



kinda off topic..but i love it.

Pure gold.

+1

[Jadebaby]

MeldarthX wrote...

Food for thought -

Chris Mills Chris Mills ‏ @MrChr15topher
@JessicaMerizan @Geousprime Quarians dont die cos its not reaper tech? Then why do Geth Die? I no EDI has sovereign code so that makes sense
Jessica Merizan Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan
@MrChr15topher we don't see the Geth die so there's no reason that the Guardian isn't being completely honest


Proof starchild is lieing about somethings can possibly equal = lieing about all things = about itself.........and IT theory has a nice boost

If Starchild lied about this it indeed points toward indoctrination, however Jessica is just speculating..

[Jadebaby]

Big G13 wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...



kinda off topic..but i love it.

Pure gold.

+1

"You have 3 choices, you blow up all the Relays stranding everyone where ever they happen to be."
"I don't like that choice."
"I haven't got to the choices part yet.."

hahaha!

[Big G13]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...



kinda off topic..but i love it.

Pure gold.

+1

"You have 3 choices, you blow up all the Relays stranding everyone where ever they happen to be."
"I don't like that choice."
"I haven't got to the choices part yet.."

hahaha!

Our combined frustration summed up in three sentences. lol

[Jadebaby]

I know right, pure win!

I'm really on the verge here, I wanna play Mass Effect 3 again for the 3rd time with Kaidan romance, but I can't bring myself to do it..
When I played through a 2nd time I felt as bad if not WORSE at the ending because I knew what was coming (final goodbyes with squad mates sucks!) So can anyone recommend any other good games? preferably rpgs with romance plots? Don't say dragon age 2 or skyrim.

[Jadebaby]

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 09 avril 2012 - 11:41 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I know right, pure win!

I'm really on the verge here, I wanna play Mass Effect 3 again for the 3rd time with Kaidan romance, but I can't bring myself to do it..
When I played through a 2nd time I felt as bad if not WORSE at the ending because I knew what was coming (final goodbyes with squad mates sucks!) So can anyone recommend any other good games? preferably rpgs with romance plots? Don't say dragon age 2 or skyrim.

Played Jade Empire? Another Bioware game with All you have come to expect.

Beyond that I can recommend some Final Fantasy games, though they are a lot different. Certainly romance plots but you don't have control of it. VI, VII and IX are my personal recommendations. 

Oh right, Witcher 1 and 2 might be something. Certainly romances in them, but few long running. Great games though. 

Deus ex: human revolution is also good, but no romance sadly.

In general though it is pretty hard to find a good player controlled romance plot outside a bioware game is it not? Good romances in general are scarce in video games sadly. HStill Still there are a few romances I really liked like the main one in Valkyrie chronicles. Damn good game to, though not RPGS.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 09 avril 2012 - 11:58 .

[LeRavelle]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I know right, pure win!

I'm really on the verge here, I wanna play Mass Effect 3 again for the 3rd time with Kaidan romance, but I can't bring myself to do it..
When I played through a 2nd time I felt as bad if not WORSE at the ending because I knew what was coming (final goodbyes with squad mates sucks!) So can anyone recommend any other good games? preferably rpgs with romance plots? Don't say dragon age 2 or skyrim.

Played Jade Empire? Another Bioware game with All you have come to expect.

Beyond that I can recommend some Final Fantasy games, though they are a lot different. Certainly romance plots but you don't have control of it. VI, VII and IX are my personal recommendations. 

Oh right, Witcher 1 and 2 might be something. Certainly romances in them, but few long running. Great games though. 

Deus ex: human revolution is also good, but no romance sadly.

In general though it is pretty hard to find a good player controlled romance plot outside a bioware game is it not? Good romances in general are scarce in video games sadly. HStill Still there are a few romances I really liked like the main one in Valkyrie chronicles. Damn good game to, though not RPGS.

If you're in to Japanese RPG's I'd suggest the newest Ar tonelico Qoga: Knell of Ar Ciel.

[Dwailing]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I know right, pure win!

I'm really on the verge here, I wanna play Mass Effect 3 again for the 3rd time with Kaidan romance, but I can't bring myself to do it..
When I played through a 2nd time I felt as bad if not WORSE at the ending because I knew what was coming (final goodbyes with squad mates sucks!) So can anyone recommend any other good games? preferably rpgs with romance plots? Don't say dragon age 2 or skyrim.

Played Jade Empire? Another Bioware game with All you have come to expect.

Beyond that I can recommend some Final Fantasy games, though they are a lot different. Certainly romance plots but you don't have control of it. VI, VII and IX are my personal recommendations. 

Oh right, Witcher 1 and 2 might be something. Certainly romances in them, but few long running. Great games though. 

Deus ex: human revolution is also good, but no romance sadly.

In general though it is pretty hard to find a good player controlled romance plot outside a bioware game is it not? Good romances in general are scarce in video games sadly. HStill Still there are a few romances I really liked like the main one in Valkyrie chronicles. Damn good game to, though not RPGS.

I could recommend Deus Ex: Human Revolution.  Like he said, no romance, but it is a really good game.  Just make sure you have a least SOME combat skills for the boss fights.  Also, this may be controversial, but I enjoyed Alpha Protocol.  It's not the best looking game, and the A.I. and combat are somewhat iffy at best, but I liked it, and I thought the plot and other features made up for it.  Plus, there are multiple romances that you can all pursue at once.  Hey, what can I say, you're a spy.

[Jadebaby]

sounds good people, I think Jade Empire is only for PC is it not?
Deus EX i've heard good things about but doesn't it have the same ending as ME3?

[Falloutwarfare]

@Jade8aby88 yep same 3 choice kind of thing but a Pretty good game non the less..... And no space brat or magic!!

[DragonEffect1710]

Hi, I just wanted to throw in my support for the Indoctrination Theory. I've watched SO many videos on it...I've came to the conclusion that it HAS to be the Indoctrination Theory. Unless Bioware somehow managed to make THAT many coincidences in a span of 15 minutes...

EDIT: And they haven't confirmed OR denied it so...yeah

Modifié par DragonEffect1710, 09 avril 2012 - 12:36 .

[Dwailing]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sounds good people, I think Jade Empire is only for PC is it not?
Deus EX i've heard good things about but doesn't it have the same ending as ME3?

In all honesty, in some ways I didn't mind the ending as much, because we all know that no matter what you do the world is screwed anyway.  Human Revolution is a prequel to the original Deus Ex which was set 25 years later.  However, a terrible plague strikes all of mankind in... 2029, I think.  Two years after the end of HR.  This is one of those games you play for the.... God, please none of you kill me for saying this, the ride.  There are plenty of references to the first game (Or so I've heard since I have yet to play the original), and the story is really good.  Plus, watching the impact your choices have on the world is cool.  In that regard, it's like ME.

[Dwailing]

Also, off topic, but has the patch for ME3 been released yet? I checked for updates today, but all I got was one of those 1 second updates where I'm not sure it's actually updating.