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[llbountyhunter]

Skillz1986 wrote...

I have been supporting (and still am) IT from a fairly early stage (page 100..maybe before that) an i really think it's a well thought through idea. i do however not believe it was intended (i did in the beginning..that has changed appearently).

I'll try to point out why:
The incomplete game argument was brought up a lot from what i can tell, it has been addresed (most of the times wit the "it has been done before" answer) and while i support the answers, and (kind od....wait for it) dismiss this argument, it holds some truth. would IT im fact have been planned before the outburst. biwoware surely would have waited a reasonable time..only to blow our minds with the following dlc, on that i can agree. but what do we have now:

1. A game without an definite ending
2. No closure what so ever
3.(worst part) assumingly MONTHS of uncertainty.

That's how you treat players who spent 60 bucks (or 89 in my case..collector's edition)...who expected a great game (check) but also a great conclusion to the trilogy (well...no!). You know, the difference between a game..or let's say a movie, is that you can enjoy the game at your own pace...but now i am forced to wait for an ending, which might or might not provide closure, leaving it to me and my immagination, while i wait for it in utter uncertainty. it drives me mad.

From gamer's and firts an foremost..from a customer's perspective. i think..if they decided to implement IT..i happened after the huge negative backlash...

Or they just really..i mean REALLY suck hard at pr...because all of this is just too much uncertainty and speculation...for a far too long time period. that's how i feel at least. still holding the line

Well biowares good at that, but the thing that makes me think It was pre planned is all the in-game evidence that gave rise to IT in the first place...

[Sire Styx]

I just want to point out, say IT is untrue, then bioware have made the most half-arsed, plot-hole ridden game ever.
The only real alternative to IT is the lazy bioware hyothesis.

The ending isn't explained or alluded to at all in the game, they haven't taken the time to put any evidence for it throughout the game: it's a lazy twist ending.
they had to invent an entire new plot to finish the game,
loads of textures are reused for the hell of it and they haven't even taken the time to make them less obvious.
I could go on and on, and I'm sure other people could, but this is the IT thread.

So I'd like to say IT opponents and IT-opposing trolls, if you are right, then it's a pyrrhic victory. And if you're happy that you've won an argument over the internet, even though a fantastic series ended in failure, then I pity you.

[RADIUMEYEZ]

MothrascoolerthenGodzilla wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks 2-4 months isn't really that long and that it would be longer if none of this was in the works before the game released.

Agreed they would have to create and edit the game footage and what nots and flush out any bugs and all that. Also record and edit the voices, sounds, music and what ever else. Then they would have to test the entire thing to ensure it works properly before giving it to us. All of that would take more than a few months unless they were working everyone to collapsing from exhaustion. Also I am sure there is plenty of other red tape they would have to go through and God knows what else I am far from an expert so I am just assuming this is the process.

Modifié par RADIUMEYEZ, 09 avril 2012 - 05:38 .

[Peregrin25]

Holy hell, been a while since I last posted here over 34000 replies. Freaking insane lol.

[balance5050]

Voodzik wrote...


OP is a bioware employee. Indic was always intended, but the time limits placed by EA made it impossible. So to prove fans wanted it, the explanation was leaked to get us all demanding it, thus forcing EA to approve the project.

Are you an inside man Byne? Nevermind, you don't have to answer 

[Ponei]

DUN WORRY PEOPLE IT IS TEH WAY TO GOEZ

[Sire Styx]

Voodzik wrote...

 Okay folks.....tinfoil hat time. Two equally silly (but not impossible) theories.

There's an ooooooold old old old batman comic where the penguin can't think of a crime to commit, so he does it backwards. He litters Gotham city with weird clues and waits for batman to find meaning in them, then commits the crime batman "figured out." What if all these clues were thrown around in order to see what ending the FANS wanted?

And if your hat's not shiny enough yet, conspiracy theory 2....

OP is a bioware employee. Indic was always intended, but the time limits placed by EA made it impossible. So to prove fans wanted it, the explanation was leaked to get us all demanding it, thus forcing EA to approve the project.

No, I don't think these really happened. But boy they're not impossible, huh?

I don't know who byne is really, but if they were a bioware employee, then it would be quite fitting.
We may have came up with this theory anyway, or maybe not. But by posting this thread, our theory developed across a path bioware desired. Quite similar to the reapers and mass effect technology?

Lmao, yeah it's unlikely though, but If everything we've discussed true, then Bioware is the most fantastic games company in the world.

(p.s. don't worry, your secret is safe with us lmao).

Modifié par Sire Styx, 09 avril 2012 - 05:44 .

[Skillz1986]

You're right, i didn't even bring that up. you have to understand i'm really torn here. the in game vidence was just too huge..i think i posted something along the following lines "there can be just so much coincidence, before you just have to stop calling it such"

But as i said, in my oppinion it is just a really stupid move from artists as well as developers to leave their fans (especially such commited ones) in the dark for that a lomg time. Leaving them puzzled for a reasonable amount of time is perfectly fine..you cann still come out and blow their minds to infinity, letting them praise you as gods. but many people can wait just that long before they say "well..f**k that. I wouldnt even care if it would have real world consequences at that point..i'm going to play star war kinect...at least i know what to expe....are they..DANCING???"

I'm in now way such a person..but there are man of them, huge loss for bioware, huge loss foe those people...no one really benefits.

[Jadebaby]

Peregrin25 wrote...

Holy hell, been a while since I last posted here over 34000 replies. Freaking insane lol.

It has become a humble-abode for many of the BSN folk to hang their hats (of hope)  from the storm outside....

[Sammuthegreat]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Macgummi wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Unsure if brought up in the past thousand pages, but this one has just noticed something strange about the Return to Citadel end mission. When you get closer to leaving the hallway full of dead bodies and dripping blood, the color starts to disappear. If you turn around, you can see the hallway before you darken and turn colorless before the doors open to the next hallway. Any thoughts on this?

Is that true or can anyone confirm this? This seems to me like another hint for the IT.

This one has an older sibling working on showing a video of it happening. As well as something else he apparently discovered (potentially just a bug, from how he described it but strange none the less.)

Here it is

Just wanted to bring this to people's attention again, it didn't seem to garner much discussion before, but it's a new bit of evidence which seems fairly compelling to me. Why on earth would they program a colour drain like that, if not to make the whole scene seem less real?

Also, this just got completely ignored, but there was a bit of discussion a few pages back about how there won't be any gameplay content in the Extended Cut, but this really seems to suggest that's not the case:

Sammuthegreat wrote...

I could've sworn I saw a Tweet where Her Royal Awesome-and-Confusingness Jessica Merizan said there would be playable content on the DLC... let me see if I can dig it out...

EDIT: Here we go!

 

EDIT: fixed a link

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 09 avril 2012 - 05:48 .

[RealStyli]

Sire Styx wrote...

I just want to point out, say IT is untrue, then bioware have made the most half-arsed, plot-hole ridden game ever.
The only real alternative to IT is the lazy bioware hyothesis.

The ending isn't explained or alluded to at all in the game, they haven't taken the time to put any evidence for it throughout the game: it's a lazy twist ending.
they had to invent an entire new plot to finish the game,
loads of textures are reused for the hell of it and they haven't even taken the time to make them less obvious.
I could go on and on, and I'm sure other people could, but this is the IT thread.

So I'd like to say IT opponents and IT-opposing trolls, if you are right, then it's a pyrrhic victory. And if you're happy that you've won an argument over the internet, even though a fantastic series ended in failure, then I pity you.

+1

Which is more likely...?:

(a) They meant IT or something similar but failed to flesh it out enough to make it obvious, maybe down to time constraints so they said they'd leave it up to the player to "interpret" the ending. The players on-mass do in fact "interpret" the ending and find all the clues that indicate "indoctrination".

or 

( BioWare wrote a really crappy ending full of plotholes and inconsistencies - the ending to a trilogy that had, up until the last 10-15 minutes, the most epic of writing - including the end of story arcs in ME3, like on Tuchanka and Ranoch.


Is it so hard to believe that the collective intelligence of a bunch of Sci Fi geeks and nerds on the internet would figure out the actual ending as BioWare intended?!

[Kazalord2]

Theoretically speaking, isn't 2 to 3 months a very long time period to JUST add a few cinematics and text passages ?

[Sire Styx]

I'm afraid the colour drain thing may be a bug?
I can't remember exactly, but when generally playing, if you look at a light then look elsewhere, does the colour change? If you know what I mean? Like in RL if you look at a bright light and look elsewhere, the colours are a bit odd?

If it doesn't then it is deffo programmed into the ending and is odd.

[Sire Styx]

Kazalord2 wrote...

Theoretically speaking, isn't 2 to 3 months a very long time period to JUST add a few cinematics and text passages ?

Depends on the detail of the cinematics I think.
If it's using ingame models, then yeah it is long.
But if it's quite realistic like on the trailers, then it seems reasonable.

[savagejuicebox]

Voodzik wrote...

 Okay folks.....tinfoil hat time. Two equally silly (but not impossible) theories.

There's an ooooooold old old old batman comic where the penguin can't think of a crime to commit, so he does it backwards. He litters Gotham city with weird clues and waits for batman to find meaning in them, then commits the crime batman "figured out." What if all these clues were thrown around in order to see what ending the FANS wanted?

And if your hat's not shiny enough yet, conspiracy theory 2....

OP is a bioware employee. Indic was always intended, but the time limits placed by EA made it impossible. So to prove fans wanted it, the explanation was leaked to get us all demanding it, thus forcing EA to approve the project.

No, I don't think these really happened. But boy they're not impossible, huh?

You just gave me a migraine...

[NoSpin]

Voodzik wrote...

 Okay folks.....tinfoil hat time. Two equally silly (but not impossible) theories.

There's an ooooooold old old old batman comic where the penguin can't think of a crime to commit, so he does it backwards. He litters Gotham city with weird clues and waits for batman to find meaning in them, then commits the crime batman "figured out." What if all these clues were thrown around in order to see what ending the FANS wanted?

And if your hat's not shiny enough yet, conspiracy theory 2....

OP is a bioware employee. Indic was always intended, but the time limits placed by EA made it impossible. So to prove fans wanted it, the explanation was leaked to get us all demanding it, thus forcing EA to approve the project.

No, I don't think these really happened. But boy they're not impossible, huh?

Tinfoil hat ENGAGED. Cookie for you sir.

[Rksmithers]

.... bright side at least we get some cool free multiplayer dlc... will we also get those weapons in the single player?

[llbountyhunter]

Sire Styx wrote...

Kazalord2 wrote...

Theoretically speaking, isn't 2 to 3 months a very long time period to JUST add a few cinematics and text passages ?

Depends on the detail of the cinematics I think.
If it's using ingame models, then yeah it is long.
But if it's quite realistic like on the trailers, then it seems reasonable.

And is it JUST cinematics? That tweet from Jessica made. It seem like their might also be a possibility of gameplay.

Edit: also if it is just cinematic how long do you think its going to be? Because if it to long that could mean it took longer than 2 months to produce

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 09 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[Voodzik]

There's a good question. I'd be interested in knowing what three months is compared to a specific game portion. I mean I know this kind of thing isn't one to one, but if,say, T'chanka (probably misspelled) or Rannoch took three months, we could be looking at an equally detailed game segment. I've never done any digital design that had to move or synch up with anything in any way, I don't know.

Edit, spelling. Gah.

Modifié par Voodzik, 09 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[balance5050]

Skillz1986 wrote...

You're right, i didn't even bring that up. you have to understand i'm really torn here. the in game vidence was just too huge..i think i posted something along the following lines "there can be just so much coincidence, before you just have to stop calling it such"

But as i said, in my oppinion it is just a really stupid move from artists as well as developers to leave their fans (especially such commited ones) in the dark for that a lomg time. Leaving them puzzled for a reasonable amount of time is perfectly fine..you cann still come out and blow their minds to infinity, letting them praise you as gods. but many people can wait just that long before they say "well..f**k that. I wouldnt even care if it would have real world consequences at that point..i'm going to play star war kinect...at least i know what to expe....are they..DANCING???"

I'm in now way such a person..but there are man of them, huge loss for bioware, huge loss foe those people...no one really benefits.

The thing is it's not really a stupid move, maybe now in hindsight it looks like it but think about it like this:

Bioware has already sold 2.25 million units, most of that in the first week. Granted amazon and origin offered refunds, but I don't think EA is affected by that. Also granted is the fact that prices have been slashed in a lot of stores, but it's still $50 on Xbox for new, in an average department store.

Bioware and EA both are peculiar about the DLC and "microtransactions", in interviews with Jesse Houston he said, "if the fans want it, we'll make it". And on VGcharts we see that the sales actually gott a bump from 
2,139,408 on March 24 to 
2,254,545 on March31. It's not much of a difference but sales have been rising again since the 17th of march. The buzz is good for them, the multiplayer is addicting, and they're actually fairly close to outselling ME2, a game tat has been out for two years, ME3 has been out for a month. (ME2=   4.0  million, ME3= 
3.4  million)

The resurgance DLC was free. According to "the truth leak" on 4chan, it was going to be free but it was also going to include the single player content as well. So perhaps something changed, maybe they wanted to take some more time to really nail it. I think that is one of the main flaws of the ending no matter how you look at it, it tries to be too many things at once. So now with "constructive criticism in mind they are going to expand on that; They are going to let you control the reapers, they're going to let everyone be robot people if they want, All synthetics will be destroyed along with most life and it will be the beginning of a new galactic dark age. But, there is of course, a fourth option, the option to "wake up"  and seee what Bioware had in store for us from as far back as November.

Modifié par balance5050, 09 avril 2012 - 06:33 .

[balance5050]

Sorry, hit quote instead of edit.

Modifié par balance5050, 09 avril 2012 - 06:33 .

[blooregard]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

Kazalord2 wrote...

Theoretically speaking, isn't 2 to 3 months a very long time period to JUST add a few cinematics and text passages ?

Depends on the detail of the cinematics I think.
If it's using ingame models, then yeah it is long.
But if it's quite realistic like on the trailers, then it seems reasonable.

And is it JUST cinematics? That tweet from Jessica made. It seem like their might also be a possibility of gameplay.

Edit: also if it is just cinematic how long do you think its going to be? Because if it to long that could mean it took longer than 2 months to produce

Twets from Jessica make alot of things seem like a possibility.

Modifié par blooregard, 09 avril 2012 - 06:37 .

[crimsontotem]

woah slow regen speed for this thread... what happened?

[Jaroslav Jakubov]

i'm replaying series to find some links to the ending of the game, and i found something interesting.. You all remember Salarian who ask you to scan Keepers in ME1? He sends you an email in ME2 saying that Keepers are as old as Reapers, genetically engineered by someone who also created Sovereign... while this doesnt says anything about the ending of ME3, it says Reapers are not what they are telling to Shepard...

[Blubox]

just something quick here.
can i buy a copy of ME2 somewhere with all dlc? For xbox360. i dont want to download them again. my me2 version has a small crack on disc1 + i would like the game in english.