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[Sierra163]

noobcannon wrote...



at :07 - :09 doesn't that look like a car? or am i really reaching now?

That's what I'm thinking. The only thing that bugs be about it is that it seems too clean and undamaged.

[rogueagent6]

Archeron Smith wrote...

sorry for the n00b question but my EMS is 6000+ and i chose the destroy option yet i didn't see the shepard lives ending.

am i meant to sit through the entire ending credits or am i doing something wrong?

Nope, should come right after the Normandy sequence. I replayed today mine after getting my EMS to a bit more than 5100, with a readieness of 80% and I got it.

[Ona Demonie]

Archeron Smith wrote...

sorry for the n00b question but my EMS is 6000+ and i chose the destroy option yet i didn't see the shepard lives ending.

am i meant to sit through the entire ending credits or am i doing something wrong?

Sit through the entire ending credits. The scene where Shepard lives is after the Stargazer scene.

[Lambchopz]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Larask wrote...

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

I'm starting to believe the theory that the "Shepard breath" ending is indeed Shep waking after being hit earlier. Indeed it would make sense that EA would release additional/real endings on a dlc.

Yeah but you only get that if you choose to destroy. What about the other options? Shepard doesn't wake up? lol it doesn't make sense. 

That's not to say he won't. It's just BioWare's way of showing you that all your hard work paid off with a "hint hint, nudge nudge" sort of thing.

Hopefully that "hint hint, nudge nudge" turns into a "PUNCH IN THE GOD DAMN FACE" with fist fulls of a satisfying ending, preferably something like this theory.

[Ona Demonie]

noobcannon wrote...



at :07 - :09 doesn't that look like a car? or am i really reaching now?

I can't tell. D:

[Lugaidster]

blooregard wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

blooregard wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

prizm123 wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...



Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?

how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there

Oh Sure! Bring down the entire Hallucination Thread of Hope with one little post. Thanks...

I was also under the impression that N7 with the little red detail under it was considered to be a commander shepard trademark as every customized set of armor has the N7 and red and white stripes somewhere on it (except the kestrel armor) 

your right it is Shepard...why would it make any sense at all to be anyone else at that point in time!? I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE BAD STORY WRITING COP OUT AS AN ANSWER! lol

my point is N7 is a very exclusive title and there are only a few of them ever mentioned in the entire MEverse

I do however know one of the marine companies/squads you can pick up as a war asset have a bunch of N5s with a few N6s so N7 isn't something you'd see normally

The only other person you know personally who is N7 is James Vega, and that doesn't even happen until you're well into the main story and you've talked to him enough.

He asks you if you think it's a good idea to join N7, and you can convince him/not convince him to do it if you want. He also talks about getting some N7 related tattoo on the Citadel after that conversation in the holding docks.

Anyways, my point is, yes, N7 personnel are extremely rare, they are the best of the best and often command their own units (ala Shepard). I don't know what the signifigance of puting a random unknown N7 commander inhaling for a half a second as the "secret ending" would be. It's pretty clear that it's Shepard, not clear if it means anything else.

captain anderson is one of the first and most decorated N7 officer kai lang was also an N7 I believe 

If this is true, Shepard is the weakes N7 I've seen. Kai lang ****slaps everyone in insanity, you have to run all the time.

[CreepingGeth]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Archeron Smith wrote...

sorry for the n00b question but my EMS is 6000+ and i chose the destroy option yet i didn't see the shepard lives ending.

am i meant to sit through the entire ending credits or am i doing something wrong?

Sit through the entire ending credits. The scene where Shepard lives is after the Stargazer scene.

It was right after the crashed Normandy scene for me, before the credits.

[rogueagent6]

Lugaidster wrote...

If this is true, Shepard is the weakes N7 I've seen. Kai lang ****slaps everyone in insanity, you have to run all the time.

Yeah, and he's half reaper...

[Lambchopz]

Lugaidster wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

blooregard wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

prizm123 wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...



Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?

how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there

Oh Sure! Bring down the entire Hallucination Thread of Hope with one little post. Thanks...

I was also under the impression that N7 with the little red detail under it was considered to be a commander shepard trademark as every customized set of armor has the N7 and red and white stripes somewhere on it (except the kestrel armor) 

your right it is Shepard...why would it make any sense at all to be anyone else at that point in time!? I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE BAD STORY WRITING COP OUT AS AN ANSWER! lol

my point is N7 is a very exclusive title and there are only a few of them ever mentioned in the entire MEverse

I do however know one of the marine companies/squads you can pick up as a war asset have a bunch of N5s with a few N6s so N7 isn't something you'd see normally

The only other person you know personally who is N7 is James Vega, and that doesn't even happen until you're well into the main story and you've talked to him enough.

He asks you if you think it's a good idea to join N7, and you can convince him/not convince him to do it if you want. He also talks about getting some N7 related tattoo on the Citadel after that conversation in the holding docks.

Anyways, my point is, yes, N7 personnel are extremely rare, they are the best of the best and often command their own units (ala Shepard). I don't know what the signifigance of puting a random unknown N7 commander inhaling for a half a second as the "secret ending" would be. It's pretty clear that it's Shepard, not clear if it means anything else.

captain anderson is one of the first and most decorated N7 officer kai lang was also an N7 I believe 

If this is true, Shepard is the weakes N7 I've seen. Kai lang ****slaps everyone in insanity, you have to run all the time.

Yeah but Shepard beats Kai Leng anyways within the canon of the game. Therefore, Shepard is better then Kai Leng. Being able to do flips mid combat and weilding a sword can only get you so far against Shepard.

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

Larask wrote...

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

I'm starting to believe the theory that the "Shepard breath" ending is indeed Shep waking after being hit earlier. Indeed it would make sense that EA would release additional/real endings on a dlc.

Yeah but you only get that if you choose to destroy. What about the other options? Shepard doesn't wake up? lol it doesn't make sense. 

The 'best' ending is the red colored one. Why? It was indoctrination. The other two choices are colored non-red because they want you to pick them, but then you don't get the best ending, because you're indoctrinated/dead. THE COLOR CODES ARE A LIE. THE CHILD IS A MIND REAPER.

[noobcannon]

Larask wrote...

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

I'm starting to believe the theory that the "Shepard breath" ending is indeed Shep waking after being hit earlier. Indeed it would make sense that EA would release additional/real endings on a dlc.

Yeah but you only get that if you choose to destroy. What about the other options? Shepard doesn't wake up? lol it doesn't make sense. 

sure it does. you just have to choose the destroy option next time. remember you could die at the end of me2.

[JasonTan87]

Golferguy758 wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...


I feel that the ending was a bout of bad and sloppy writing.  That pretty much explains the cop-out attempt at resolution.

Then explain why the remainder of the game was written so well, by the same writers. I could understand the bad writing reasoning if the rest of the game has as many plotholes, errors, and incongruencies. 

Your logic makes perfect sense; because if the writing was bad overall this fury over the ending wouldn't have happened
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But I feel that the narrative of the game itself is uneven.  This is a side effect of having a team of writers working on different areas -- even though the Lead 'unifies' everything, there are bound to be some uneven portions.

There are bits of writing that are absolutely phenomenal. For example: Liara's Project, Thane's death scene, Morodin's Death scene and Anderson's 'Best seats in the house' come to mind as the best bits of video game writing I've ever seen so far.  Liara's project is the defining moment of ME3 for me, because I felt that it has so much emotional power despite being so short.  It was also self-reflexive, the game tapped on your the emotions from your past experience playing as shepard.

On the other hand, there are some bits that are flat out heavy handed or awkward.  For example:  I could never get my head around Thessia; where Shepard's upset about getting beaten to the VI by Kai Leng. My Femshep was really down after speaking to the Asari person in the comms room.  Anderson gives her a little prep talk, but I felt it didn't really stick.  I walk into Liara's room, and suddenly my Shep's all confident and telling Liara that she should not blame herself, despite taking an emotional hit just before. It doesn't make sense.  If my Shepard was sympathetic while still being emotionally sore it would have been perfect.  But it wasn't, and that moment fell flat for me.  If the VI was seperate from the Thessia mission I wouldn't have minded, but the fact it was together made me wonder why this was overlooked.

Another Example would be the comparison between Ashley's writing and Liara's writing. I found Liara's writing to be much more refined than Ashley. Ashley's lines came across as rather heavy-handed to me.  This is especially so if you compare her lines about her sister to Miranda's lines about her sister.

Sure, I admit that I'm nitpicking in this instance. The quality of the writing, even at its worse (sans ending), is of a high standard. But this proves my point; that the narrative in ME3 is uneven.  The writing in the game is not 'good' as a whole, but 'good' enough so that we can overlook the bad.  The reason why the ending is so jarring is because the it's just a trainwreck that drags the 'good' down with it and the whole narrative falls flat.

Now coming back to the ending; you musn't underestimate what deadlines and pressure do to writers. This is the exact same reason I used to explain why the writing was amazing right up till the magical elevator. It was almost as if that was the 'real' ending.  The uncut dialogue from Anderson's conversation was setting up for some sort of initial closure (talking about family and settling down, etc).  The space wizard feels tacked on.  

The reason for this: some higher-ups at bioware felt at the last moment that the Deus Ex ending was cool. They wanted an ending like that. Unlike Valve Time and Blizzard's D3, EA is very strict on their deadlines. So the writers had to make it happen, and under a tight deadline they and the production team couldn't get it out fast enough.  So we ended up with the mash-up of Normandy getting knocked out of FTL with no apparant reason.

TL;DR version: Last minute script changes, production leadtimes and a tight deadline made the writing for the ending sloppy as they tried to tie up as many loose ends as possible.

Modifié par JasonTan87, 12 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[BlackDragonBane]

This thread is moving so fast, it's hard to play ME1 and pay attention at the same time.

It's neat to see how this theory has involved and what's been spawning from it in return. I'd really like to know what Bioware thinks of all of this.

[Heavvy Metall]

Tbh, a hallucination seems plausible. Sheppard passes out just before he was going to control the crucible and then he beams up to the little kid. the whole little kid sequence could easily be a dream as Shepard constantly dreams about that kid. Whilst Shepard is passed out Anderson or the Illusive man could control the crucible and finish the job! I know they showed their "deaths" but, 10 minutes earlier Sheppard got hit directly by a reaper and survived so anything is possible.

[Lugaidster]

Lambchopz wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

blooregard wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

prizm123 wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...



Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?

how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there

Oh Sure! Bring down the entire Hallucination Thread of Hope with one little post. Thanks...

I was also under the impression that N7 with the little red detail under it was considered to be a commander shepard trademark as every customized set of armor has the N7 and red and white stripes somewhere on it (except the kestrel armor) 

your right it is Shepard...why would it make any sense at all to be anyone else at that point in time!? I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE BAD STORY WRITING COP OUT AS AN ANSWER! lol

my point is N7 is a very exclusive title and there are only a few of them ever mentioned in the entire MEverse

I do however know one of the marine companies/squads you can pick up as a war asset have a bunch of N5s with a few N6s so N7 isn't something you'd see normally

The only other person you know personally who is N7 is James Vega, and that doesn't even happen until you're well into the main story and you've talked to him enough.

He asks you if you think it's a good idea to join N7, and you can convince him/not convince him to do it if you want. He also talks about getting some N7 related tattoo on the Citadel after that conversation in the holding docks.

Anyways, my point is, yes, N7 personnel are extremely rare, they are the best of the best and often command their own units (ala Shepard). I don't know what the signifigance of puting a random unknown N7 commander inhaling for a half a second as the "secret ending" would be. It's pretty clear that it's Shepard, not clear if it means anything else.

captain anderson is one of the first and most decorated N7 officer kai lang was also an N7 I believe 

If this is true, Shepard is the weakes N7 I've seen. Kai lang ****slaps everyone in insanity, you have to run all the time.

Yeah but Shepard beats Kai Leng anyways within the canon of the game. Therefore, Shepard is better then Kai Leng. Being able to do flips mid combat and weilding a sword can only get you so far against Shepard.

It is a 3v1 fight...

[XCMichael]

If this is true, the ending needs a full on re-assessment. 
Also, remember Bioware said to keep your ME3 save?

It might be hopeful, but let's just hope that Bioware still haven't lost it.

Modifié par XCMichael, 12 mars 2012 - 05:04 .

[UlricKerensky]

I just channeled the Bourbon Gods, and they have spoken to me. Perhaps the end is only available with the +save of a shepard who 'survives' the indoctrination process and repeats the feat? Alright, I know it's a longshot. I mean, it's pretty harsh if it is. regardless, I'm sure someone would have gotten it by now.

I'd love to see a psych or sociologist study is. Is this Stockholm Syndrome writ large?

[blooregard]

noobcannon wrote...



at :07 - :09 doesn't that look like a car? or am i really reaching now?

just to sum up that video we se shepard breathing  in a pile of rubble that doesn't look at all like citadel is  made out of so either it was all in fact a dream or shepard survived the citadel exploding, getting spaced in a far worse condition suit then at the beginning of ME2, an uncontroled re-entry, and impacting the planet at terminal velocity.


seems legit

[Evindell]

RagingCeltik wrote...

I just finished the game and I get why it pissed people off and why they wouldn't like it. I got it though. The choices Shepard faced in the end were beyond just destroying the Reapers.

I like stories that require sacrifice on the Hero's part. And lets face it, after the War with the Reapers, where would have Shepard fit in the Galaxy. Hate to be a !NERD! and reference Lord of the Rings, but Shepard parallels Frodo in this. She saved the galaxy, but not for herself. For her, there was never any going home. She had moved beyond it. So I think the endings for Mass Effect 3 fit.

That said. I wish there was more to it. More video. I think the credits were longer than the final sequences after the choice was made. I wanted to see more of the effects of the choice I made reflected in a longer-than-3-minute video, Especially after devoting my time to this after 3 full games.

For me it's not the fact that Shepard died (although I would have liked an option that would have let her live) it's the fact that she dies because--and I've said this so many times before--of a plot point that is constructed and presented in the 11th hour, with no build up at all.

If Shepard had died because of choices I had made throughout the entire series, I would have been fine with that. I probably would have gone back to Mass Effect 1 to ensure I got a really good ending the next time around, but, initially, I would accept that, for my original canon Shepard, she died.

But this isn't the case. I didn't die because I rewrote the Geth, or cured the Genophage, or saved the Rachni. I died because of three choices that came out of nowhere and were not the result of previous decisions.

[Archeron Smith]

no the illusive man shot himself, i didn't get the satisfaction

[XCMichael]

[quote]Lugaidster wrote...

[quote]Lambchopz wrote...

[quote]Lugaidster wrote...

[quote]blooregard wrote...

[quote]Lambchopz wrote...

[quote]blooregard wrote...

[quote]lavosslayer wrote...

[quote]blooregard wrote...

[quote]Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

[quote]prizm123 wrote...

[quote]rogueagent6 wrote...



Why is it then that the only way you get Shep alive on Earth is by choosing destroy?
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how do you know it is Shep? there are a lot of N7 soldiers out there

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Oh Sure! Bring down the entire Hallucination Thread of Hope with one little post. Thanks... [/quote]


I was also under the impression that N7 with the little red detail under it was considered to be a commander shepard trademark as every customized set of armor has the N7 and red and white stripes somewhere on it (except the kestrel armor) 

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your right it is Shepard...why would it make any sense at all to be anyone else at that point in time!? I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE BAD STORY WRITING COP OUT AS AN ANSWER! lol

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my point is N7 is a very exclusive title and there are only a few of them ever mentioned in the entire MEverse

I do however know one of the marine companies/squads you can pick up as a war asset have a bunch of N5s with a few N6s so N7 isn't something you'd see normally
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The only other person you know personally who is N7 is James Vega, and that doesn't even happen until you're well into the main story and you've talked to him enough.

He asks you if you think it's a good idea to join N7, and you can convince him/not convince him to do it if you want. He also talks about getting some N7 related tattoo on the Citadel after that conversation in the holding docks.

Anyways, my point is, yes, N7 personnel are extremely rare, they are the best of the best and often command their own units (ala Shepard). I don't know what the signifigance of puting a random unknown N7 commander inhaling for a half a second as the "secret ending" would be. It's pretty clear that it's Shepard, not clear if it means anything else.

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captain anderson is one of the first and most decorated N7 officer kai lang was also an N7 I believe 

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If this is true, Shepard is the weakes N7 I've seen. Kai lang ****slaps everyone in insanity, you have to run all the time.

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Yeah but Shepard beats Kai Leng anyways within the canon of the game. Therefore, Shepard is better then Kai Leng. Being able to do flips mid combat and weilding a sword can only get you so far against Shepard.

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It is a 3v1 fight...

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Technically it was a 1v1 fight for me. Vanguard, nuff said.

Modifié par XCMichael, 12 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[rogueagent6]

Lugaidster wrote...

It is a 3v1 fight...

And like I replied before, Kai Lang is half reaper...

[JasonTan87]

Golferguy758 wrote...

JasonTan87 wrote...


I feel that the ending was a bout of bad and sloppy writing.  That pretty much explains the cop-out attempt at resolution.

Then explain why the remainder of the game was written so well, by the same writers. I could understand the bad writing reasoning if the rest of the game has as many plotholes, errors, and incongruencies. 

Also: Hallucination does not justify sloppy writing.

[HashSlingnSlasha]

Sierra163 wrote...

noobcannon wrote...



at :07 - :09 doesn't that look like a car? or am i really reaching now?

That's what I'm thinking. The only thing that bugs be about it is that it seems too clean and undamaged.

I think that's Shepard's leg...

[GBGriffin]

JasonTan87 wrote...

TL;DR version: Last minute script changes, production leadtimes and a tight deadline made the writing for the ending sloppy as they tried to tie up as many loose ends as possible.

Looking at another best-worst case scenario, imo:

Best case: We're truly on to something here...it might not be exact, but it's more hopeful than before. Personally, this thread renewed my hope, and even if they come in and wreck it, I'm fine headcanoning it because all of this works for me.

Worst case: We can actually document the inconsistencies and show them off as glaring flaws  / plotholes that just don't fit into the game. It'd essentially be "proof" or evidence of their sloppy creative talent and the bad writing people claim is nonexistant.