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[Chief Commander]

Sire Styx wrote...

Let's imagine that my computer is the catalyst.
So to turn it on, I have to:

-poke my fingers in the plug

EDIT: How do I insert images >.<?

Modifié par Chief Commander, 09 avril 2012 - 10:12 .

[Sire Styx]

If the theory that this is art, but everyone is too dumb to understand ,is true, then the destruction ending makes sense. Bioware predicted that the fanbase wouldn't be inteligent enough to understand the ending and so made it obvious that you had to destroy something to destroy the reapers.

[Aanlen]

Skillz1986 wrote...

" Nothing, nothing will ever beat "jump into this weird beam to rewrite reality so that life itself works on vastly different principles."

Didn't even bother to mention this. i did 3 playthroughs now and somehow i was never able to push myself towards chosing control or synthesis. BUT at least in those two options the triggering mechanism makes some kind of sense. the outcome is, as i have mentioned before, insultingly stupid (at least to me. no offense to people who picked those choices). But the trigger for destroy is...destroying a part of the device which is supposed to help you. why would anyone do that. You don't just destroy a crucial part of your last hope, hoping it will trigger a positive reaction.

The thing you shoot in destroy is an exact copy of the tubes you shoot in ME2 to abort that human-reaper embryo.  Sooo, I think it makes a lot of sense. Shepard is destroying the reapers the only way he/she has experienced destroying one. (that didnt involve massive firepower from a ****load of ships)

[Sire Styx]

Chief Commander wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

Let's imagine that my computer is the catalyst.
So to turn it on, I have to:

-poke my fingers in the plug

EDIT: How do I insert images >.<?

[img ] image url [/img ]

remove spaces

Edit: good lord, that took like half an hour to post. My internet is really slow today :|

Modifié par Sire Styx, 09 avril 2012 - 10:14 .

[Skillz1986]

@aanlen. i think all of you seem to either mistake what i am saying..or i cannot make myself clear enough. now first of all..i am an IT supporter.
Second, if you take the endings at face value (which i did for this example to point out how little sense they make), destroying that tube would make no sense at all, since it is supposed to trigger the crucible to release a blast that destroys the reapers. when did you ever have to destroy anything in order to make it react? It's bull...

If..on the other hand you view it from the IT point of view, it makes perfect sense. You shoot that thing (you're fighting) in order to break free. i hope i could make myself clear now, since i am not a native speaker and can't do it better than this.

[Chief Commander]

Sire Styx wrote...

Chief Commander wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

Let's imagine that my computer is the catalyst.
So to turn it on, I have to:

-poke my fingers in the plug

EDIT: How do I insert images >.<?

[img ] image url [/img ]

remove spaces

Edit: good lord, that took like half an hour to post. My internet is really slow today :|

Hope this works



EDIT2: Nooo it´s not working *cries*. Are there certain restrictions? No png for example?

Modifié par Chief Commander, 09 avril 2012 - 10:19 .

[twystedspyder]

I always figured we were still on the Citadel/Catalyst when those three choices are presented.

If so,the whole "shifting walls" Anderson comment could imply that the Catalyst can construct new Citadel devices almost instantly. Therefore, shooting the whatsit-tube could be thought of as Destroying the device that was preventing the Crucible from performing it's intended function.

[Sire Styx]

Works fine for me. It might be related to the number of posts you've done?
Edit:
What on eath just happened? It vanished :S


Edit2:

Removed the image. I was just testing it out. It's still there on your comment when I quoted it (that's how I got it in the first place)

You've only had 10 posts thought I thinkg? maybe that's it

Modifié par Sire Styx, 09 avril 2012 - 10:24 .

[Aanlen]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@aanlen. i think all of you seem to either mistake what i am saying..or i cannot make myself clear enough. now first of all..i am an IT supporter.
Second, if you take the endings at face value (which i did for this example to point out how little sense they make), destroying that tube would make no sense at all, since it is supposed to trigger the crucible to release a blast that destroys the reapers. when did you ever have to destroy anything in order to make it react? It's bull...

If..on the other hand you view it from the IT point of view, it makes perfect sense. You shoot that thing (you're fighting) in order to break free. i hope i could make myself clear now, since i am not a native speaker and can't do it better than this.

Ooooh, I'm sorry xD But yes, then I agree. The endings doesnt make the slick of sense on their own. Controll is the only one that MIGHT make some sense, if you... squint at it and force yourself to accept stupidity. XD

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

Simon_Says wrote...

Also, you'd think the Catalyst would mention something about the destruction of the relay network... if it wasn't trying to deceive Shepard in some fashion, even if just by omission.

I recall the kid telling me that the network would be destroyed- didn't bother me personally, as it would mean the Reapers were gone once and for all.

The part of the ending that I keep coming back to, ignoring all the symbolism or potential 'why did you shoot this or that' or whose eyes were what color, is that only in a single ending in a single circumstance do you get the tiny cutscene that shows Shepard alive.  Not enough EMS, too bad, you die.  Enough EMS, and pick a particular ending?  You somehow live?

I'm really wondering how an 'extended cut' can explain that.  The Extended Cut can explain the star child, the catalyst, how the beams operate, howe DNA + Synthetics merge, etc., even if we don't like the explanation and think it's hand wavy.  But without taking all control from the player, how do you explain that last scene?

[Skillz1986]

Shooting that tube, triggers the crucible to fire. can you logically explain that one to me? It's like shooting your phone to call someone. or throwing bricks at your tv to switch channels....you know what..forget it. doesn't seem to be important anyways, and i suggest my english is not good enouhh to get across what i'm actually talking about. (this was written in a very calm tone without intentions of offending anyone)

[Skillz1986]

Forget previous post..aanlen got it. thanks

[Chief Commander]

I have no clue . Anyway there is your very late pun from me which is probably not even funny anymore :/

[Chief Commander]

Sire Styx wrote...

You've only had 10 posts thought I thinkg? maybe that's it

No I definately have more than that. Don´t know why it´s not working for me. it says "*image removed*"

[balance5050]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Shooting that tube, triggers the crucible to fire. can you logically explain that one to me? It's like shooting your phone to call someone. or throwing bricks at your tv to switch channels....you know what..forget it. doesn't seem to be important anyways, and i suggest my english is not good enouhh to get across what i'm actually talking about. (this was written in a very calm tone without intentions of offending anyone)

I get the symbolism, I know what you're saying

[Sire Styx]

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Also, you'd think the Catalyst would mention something about the destruction of the relay network... if it wasn't trying to deceive Shepard in some fashion, even if just by omission.

I recall the kid telling me that the network would be destroyed- didn't bother me personally, as it would mean the Reapers were gone once and for all.

The part of the ending that I keep coming back to, ignoring all the symbolism or potential 'why did you shoot this or that' or whose eyes were what color, is that only in a single ending in a single circumstance do you get the tiny cutscene that shows Shepard alive.  Not enough EMS, too bad, you die.  Enough EMS, and pick a particular ending?  You somehow live?

I'm really wondering how an 'extended cut' can explain that.  The Extended Cut can explain the star child, the catalyst, how the beams operate, howe DNA + Synthetics merge, etc., even if we don't like the explanation and think it's hand wavy.  But without taking all control from the player, how do you explain that last scene?

Higher EMS may mean the crucible wasn't too damaged and worked ok and didn't destroy the earth? If you're on the earth when it was destroyed then you're not alive

or, higher EMS impressed the catalyst, so it allowed you to live

Meta reason: people with higher EMS were probably more likely to pay attention to the story and understand the significane? Pointless showing it to someone who just likes shooting things and doesn't care bout the story

[Sire Styx]

Chief Commander wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

You've only had 10 posts thought I thinkg? maybe that's it

No I definately have more than that. Don´t know why it´s not working for me. it says "*image removed*"

Lol I found it quite funny.
And hmm....
either you haven't been here long enough
you've been stopped from posting images (abusing them maybe)
or some mod has taken a dislike to you lol


It's probably because you haven't been here too long. I've heard someone else mention that in another thread.

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

Sire Styx wrote...

Higher EMS may mean the crucible wasn't too damaged and worked ok and didn't destroy the earth? If you're on the earth when it was destroyed then you're not alive

or, higher EMS impressed the catalyst, so it allowed you to live

Meta reason: people with higher EMS were probably more likely to pay attention to the story and understand the significane? Pointless showing it to someone who just likes shooting things and doesn't care bout the story

Point taken, I guess they could explain it, it just feels...pointless for you to be alive and takes away from the whole 'sacrificing yourself for the future of literally every organic being'...but then again, that's the frustration other people have with the general ending setup so such is life.

Though the people on the earth survived the detonation of the waves, they're seen cheering as the reapers leave/fall over.  Now it's debateable whether or not the destruction of the Charon relay would wipe out life on earth, but the details on the range of the relay explosion are low.

[Chief Commander]

Well yeah I joined 5 days ago. Just couldn´t remain silent anymore. Been following this thread since creation, lurking in dark space...

Anyway I´m off to bed so see y´all 2morrow

Modifié par Chief Commander, 09 avril 2012 - 10:35 .

[Baldsake]

just tapped dat ass again.. endings still suck though, lol. Seriously though, when is the ''extended cut'' coming out? Summer? I don't wanna wait that long cmon now BioWare.. But then again, maybe it's better if they take their time to clean up this mess.
BTW, I finished MGS3 HD... Now that's an ending, take notes BioWare..

[Arian Dynas]

On the plus side, I feel whole again, according to some info that a guy posted about PAX http://social.biowar...dex/11207428/1' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'> http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11207428/1, he's basically making the claim that the ORIGINAL intention was;

A). Destroy the Reapers, have a chance to reunite with your squad, and survive your ordeal, but galactic society will take more time to recover as the relays are rebuilt in a MUCH slower time frame.

. Unknown as of yet, or

C.) Take control of the Reapers, running the chance that they may break free, but Shepard becomes one to keep the others in line, galactic society recovers much more quickly as the Reapers leave, their tech is untouched and the relays can be built again with greater speed, but Shepard will have sacrificed himself.

And, tbh, it does seem a bit more appropriate with the color switch, either be self sacrificing for the good of all - Paragon

Or say "Screw the rest Galaxy, we'll recover quickly enough." and be selfish - Renegade

It's not IT and it doesn't explain all the evidence we have for IT, but, in the end, it's something I can live with. Now for me at least, IT doesn't feel like the only option and, in the end, yeah, it makes the ending fairly mediocre, but at least it's somewhat unique unto itself and is at least, livable. Leaves alot of questions about IT, and WAAAAAY too many "It had to be intentional" things they would have to take time to program in, but, now it's not a life or death situation for Mass Effect if IT is wrong.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 09 avril 2012 - 10:44 .

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Shooting that tube, triggers the crucible to fire. can you logically explain that one to me? It's like shooting your phone to call someone. or throwing bricks at your tv to switch channels....you know what..forget it. doesn't seem to be important anyways, and i suggest my english is not good enouhh to get across what i'm actually talking about. (this was written in a very calm tone without intentions of offending anyone)

So this is wild speculation off the cuff, I'm assuming a real author/writer or someone more obsessed with the fluff could come up with something better: the crucible/catalyst isn't in fact a weapon, it's a device that interacts with/controls the reapers.  By destroying the tube, you overload the device and it sends out some kind of backlash/shockwave that overloads the reapers, much like killing Saren in ME1 finished off Sovereign.

That's theory mind you, just a way to explain it, it's not what I think is actually the case.

[monrapias]

Any news?
Or are we still on "space magic"?

[N7xELITE]

Any news

[chidingewe8036]

Mass Effect 3 should have ended as easily as ME2 did with a clear cut and dry outcome.

- The Reaper War has begun
- if you don't prepare well enough and just half ass the game you get the worst outcome (a la Suicide Mission where Shepard and everyone else dies except Joker)
- if you prepare well enough but still leave out or ignore some vital choices you can still succeed but with a high casualty rate possibly even Shepard's life (a la The Suicide Mission where most of the crew dies but you still succeed)
- if you explore every avenue of preparation and are a completionist you are rewarded with defeating the Reapers, saving the galaxy, and living to tell the story at the end of the day (a la The Suicide Mission where everyone survives, and the normandy is fully upgraded, and all loyalties are done)