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[NotAnotherDisplayName]

Flash_Death wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

All the endings will be "real endings" IT will probably be the red one with blue and green being "real" in their own way. That way there is no "canon" ending.

But that's just my perspective

My only argument with that is they said they want to make more games. so if there are three seporate outcomes they couldn't be set after the events of me3.  Well then again as the endings stand they can't do that either so...yeah.

Sure they can- either make it in the far future or in a local sector.  If you establish it in a section of space where standard FTL is sufficient to get you from A to B, you've got plenty of opportunity to keep going.  Just fill in what's going on in the 'rest of the galaxy' via your save game decisions.  If you go far future you build in 10,000 years of time for the writiers to twist the galaxy to their will.

But however they slice it, I imagine the previews, triailers, etc., of any sort of ME4 would reveal enough of the universe to let those that are bitter with the current resolution decide if that galaxy is a palce they want to visit.

[liggy002]

balance5050 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Pat Weekes just tweeted these two things.

https://twitter.com/...509888924319744 

https://twitter.com/...510162615250944 

Who the hell is using Weekes to attack other devs. Cause that's downright scummy. Patrick took time out to answer questions and people are using that to attack others? Ugh.

Every one wants something different, it's kinda like how the PAX footage had conveniently edited out the part where the crowd cheered when they mentioned I.T.. And  left the part where people laughed at the word "commited"

Did they really edit that out?  LOL! 

[Sire Styx]

balance5050 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Pat Weekes just tweeted these two things.

https://twitter.com/...509888924319744 

https://twitter.com/...510162615250944 

Who the hell is using Weekes to attack other devs. Cause that's downright scummy. Patrick took time out to answer questions and people are using that to attack others? Ugh.

Every one wants something different, it's kinda like how the PAX footage had conveniently edited out the part where the crowd cheered when they mentioned I.T.. And  left the part where people laughed at the word "commited"

Really? That's.... odd.....

[Sire Styx]

Lol I like how we both replied to the same thing and have the same avatar

[Eshaye]

Voodzik wrote...

Okay. So this got kinda buried but...if reapers are like geth, and exist as digital entities, breaking free of indoctrination could really HURT them. An event for them doesn't have to be physical to be "real." And there's your IT affecting the real world. Harbinger just got shot in the mind.

Also, a thought: if I, personally, was actually given those three options? Pick control. Make reapers kill each other. Geth saved, galaxy saved, woot.

My personal take is that even though Shep is indoctrinated, meaning that the Reapers are talking to her in her head, her choices do still have a real impact. I'm leaving myself open for the possibility that it was all fake, or that it really did happen but the whole citadel scene was still in her mind and Anderson/TIM were not really there but symbolism of her choices. 

I think IT and reality can coexist. And unless the extended cut DLC does an AMAZING job at making sense of the ending, this is what will forever be true to me. 

[Rifneno]

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Well some paragon choices hinder the war effort as well- saving the council in ME1 reduced the strength of the alliance fleets. Saving Grunt instead of the Rachni (depending on which queen you have) means you miss out on a potential ally. Saving the Krogan means most of the Salarians don't join up.

I think one of the things they were going for in 3 was that not everything is black and white. Though I agree some of the actions seem pretty ruthless- but remember ME 1, there were several options to 'shoot him' in that game

Actually, saving the council effects a bunch of stuff. Once all are figured in, saving the council nets 25 more than letting them die. As for the krogan, Wrex finds out if you sabotage the cure and withdraws support (plus gets himself killed attacking Shepard). So you lose a bunch. If you have Wreav... well... Wreav sucks. He never finds out about the sabotage but he's just not as good at leading the krogan. So the krogan's assets are meh there too. The best case scenario is to cure the genophage and save the Salarian councilor in the next mission.

[liggy002]

Sire Styx wrote...

Lol I like how we both replied to the same thing and have the same avatar

Yeah, Salarians are quick to reply

[liggy002]

Eshaye wrote...

Voodzik wrote...

Okay. So this got kinda buried but...if reapers are like geth, and exist as digital entities, breaking free of indoctrination could really HURT them. An event for them doesn't have to be physical to be "real." And there's your IT affecting the real world. Harbinger just got shot in the mind.

Also, a thought: if I, personally, was actually given those three options? Pick control. Make reapers kill each other. Geth saved, galaxy saved, woot.

My personal take is that even though Shep is indoctrinated, meaning that the Reapers are talking to her in her head, her choices do still have a real impact. I'm leaving myself open for the possibility that it was all fake, or that it really did happen but the whole citadel scene was still in her mind and Anderson/TIM were not really there but symbolism of her choices. 

I think IT and reality can coexist. And unless the extended cut DLC does an AMAZING job at making sense of the ending, this is what will forever be true to me. 

My thoughts did veer in a similar direction.  This may be how they handle the ending but we will see.

[Golferguy758]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Flash_Death wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

All the endings will be "real endings" IT will probably be the red one with blue and green being "real" in their own way. That way there is no "canon" ending.

But that's just my perspective

My only argument with that is they said they want to make more games. so if there are three seporate outcomes they couldn't be set after the events of me3.  Well then again as the endings stand they can't do that either so...yeah.

Explained well enough I'm sure they could, and enough time passes I'm sure they could. And specifically dealing with green since that's the one that would stand out most, it's not like creatures look very different than they do now. At least not that I noticed. Animate things the same and just not draw circuitry on them. 
 And for all we know the green beam could alter memories to make everyone think that they had always been synthetic organic abominations. 

Any reference to the original series would be something akin to The reapers were stopped, how they were stopped was lost to time, all that is known is that they no longer pose a threat to galactic civilization. 
As time passed the threat of the reapers went from imminent, to story, to legend.  

 However, as the reaper threat passed into fading memory a new threat has risen... 

Bumping because 1. Discord. 2. it has an, albeit vague, explanation for what could happen

[Kelwing]

Just made my 3rd run and grabbed the pic of Harbingers beam just about to hit Shepard. He was already being blown backwards and well away from the conduit beam. No way in hell he would wake up mere yards away after that.

[liggy002]

Kelwing wrote...

Just made my 3rd run and grabbed the pic of Harbingers beam just about to hit Shepard. He was already being blown backwards and well away from the conduit beam. No way in hell he would wake up mere yards away after that.

This is the point that I have been trying to make to the IT doubters.  There is no way that was just a lazy design choice.  It is just TOO OBVIOUS.  He intentionally missed Shepard and this beam wasn't meant to kill.

Modifié par liggy002, 10 avril 2012 - 01:33 .

[lex0r11]

Good observation.

And i took the liberty to shamelessly use your picture for this.

[Kelwing]

lex0r11 wrote...

Good observation.

And i took the liberty to shamelessly use your picture for this.

Nice


I grabbed about 100 screen shots from that point forward. Some would make for great wallpaper I think.

Modifié par Kelwing, 10 avril 2012 - 01:42 .

[Golferguy758]

liggy002 wrote...

Kelwing wrote...

Just made my 3rd run and grabbed the pic of Harbingers beam just about to hit Shepard. He was already being blown backwards and well away from the conduit beam. No way in hell he would wake up mere yards away after that.

This is the point that I have been trying to make to the IT doubters.  There is no way that was just a lazy design choice.  It is just TOO OBVIOUS.  He intentionally missed Shepard and this beam wasn't meant to kill.

In defense of the doubters: It can be done as a way to critically injure Shepard. Also, that beam attack is way too close to not be meant to kill. The fact that Shep survives that is more luck than anything.

Additionally, Harbinger is rapid firing his beam to take out hammer, he's not going to have pinpoint accuracy.

Just sayin'

[balance5050]

shoshbear wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 Pat Weekes just tweeted these two things.

https://twitter.com/...509888924319744 

https://twitter.com/...510162615250944 

Who the hell is using Weekes to attack other devs. Cause that's downright scummy. Patrick took time out to answer questions and people are using that to attack others? Ugh.

Every one wants something different, it's kinda like how the PAX footage had conveniently edited out the part where the crowd cheered when they mentioned I.T.. And  left the part where people laughed at the word "commited"

Is he referring to the unofficial Q & A that are posted on the boards or something else entirely?

Yes. That was the most recent thing to happen so thats what I think.

[byne]

Yknow, I just realized another lie godchild tells us: He claims the Reapers harvest only the advanced species, and leave the less advance ones alone.

So whats the deal with the harvesters? They're pretty clearly just mindless animals. Less advanced than even the yahg, but the Reapers dont leave them alone.

Its like the more you think about it the less sense godchild makes, even afer all this time I still find new stuff he says that doesnt make sense.

[Rifneno]

lex0r11 wrote...

Good observation.

And i took the liberty to shamelessly use your picture for this.
-snip-

Very nice. Although personally I would've used Mordin's "implications... unpleasant." line.

Golferguy758 wrote...

In defense of the doubters: It can be done as a way to critically injure Shepard. Also, that beam attack is way too close to not be meant to kill. The fact that Shep survives that is more luck than anything.

Additionally, Harbinger is rapid firing his beam to take out hammer, he's not going to have pinpoint accuracy.

Just sayin'

Because Reapers don't have much processing power?

[byne]

Golferguy758 wrote...

In defense of the doubters: It can be done as a way to critically injure Shepard. Also, that beam attack is way too close to not be meant to kill. The fact that Shep survives that is more luck than anything.

Additionally, Harbinger is rapid firing his beam to take out hammer, he's not going to have pinpoint accuracy.

Just sayin'

But before the final push, EDI says the Reapers have no reason not to use their full capabilities to stop us.

You'd think an AI based off of Reaper tech would know them better than anyone, yet they send only one Destroyer and Harbinger to stop you.

[Golferguy758]

Rifneno wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Good observation.

And i took the liberty to shamelessly use your picture for this.
-snip-

Very nice. Although personally I would've used Mordin's "implications... unpleasant." line.

Golferguy758 wrote...

In defense of the doubters: It can be done as a way to critically injure Shepard. Also, that beam attack is way too close to not be meant to kill. The fact that Shep survives that is more luck than anything.

Additionally, Harbinger is rapid firing his beam to take out hammer, he's not going to have pinpoint accuracy.

Just sayin'

Because Reapers don't have much processing power?

I'm just offering an alternative explanation as to why Shepard could have been missed

[MassEffectFan11]

I'm sure this has already been said, but also, when the Reapers say they harvest the most advanced species, that doesn't seem entirely true. They only seem to want to harvest humanity, what about the turians or salarians or asari or batarians or any of the other space-faring, advanced species? They aren't preserving advanced life if they only care about one species and try to kill off all the rest.

[IronSabbath88]

That still doesn't explain how Shepard's armor ends up being a default set if you're wearing custom armor, or where this other weapons went.

Or the biggest question.

Why did my Paladin turn into a Carnifex?

[RealStyli]

Just watched some "debunking IT" vids on YouTube... Seemed to support IT more as none of their "evidence" held up. One guy kept using the excuse that it's "convenience for videogames sake" argument. I watched a 14 minute video on why we're wrong on the child not existing at the start of the game... Only to be more sure that he doesn't exist.

It seems we have the more intelligent people supporting the IT theory and most of the "debunkers" seem to be trolling.

[RealStyli]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

That still doesn't explain how Shepard's armor ends up being a default set if you're wearing custom armor, or where this other weapons went.

Or the biggest question.

Why did my Paladin turn into a Carnifex?

With infinite ammo.

[MassEffectFan11]

RealStyli wrote...

Just watched some "debunking IT" vids on YouTube... Seemed to support IT more as none of their "evidence" held up. One guy kept using the excuse that it's "convenience for videogames sake" argument. I watched a 14 minute video on why we're wrong on the child not existing at the start of the game... Only to be more sure that he doesn't exist.

It seems we have the more intelligent people supporting the IT theory and most of the "debunkers" seem to be trolling.

I would like to be able to be respectful and say it's more of a "IT believers say 1 is less than 2, IT debunkers say 2 is less than 3" type situation where nobody is really "wrong" and it's just differing ideas, but at this point I don't think that's true anymore. IT seems too true to say it's just a differing idea now.