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Dwailing wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

http://t2.gstatic.co...e_jSD_J7kSbVlWR

proof harbinger just wanted to get laid


Where.  Did.  You.  Get.  That?


Dude, they're boobs. You can't buy them at your local store.

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Dwailing wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Vahilor wrote...
Somhow I get the impression BW is playing with us or trying to make fools out of us... Why the hell do they pick such an entry.. a lot of people even did not read take as major point in the endings ? I really only can shake my head.. and if sombody again of them starts to talk about that "artistic integrity" I'll vomit right into their face[/b]...

It is really sad that there is no BW-Person that admits they made real sh... with the endings (even when it is IT, they still faild to deliver the message.. cause if not there were not that outrage). Allways this "I totaly stand behind our team".. it's ok to stand with the team really, but a good team would also admit if they made somthing wrong.. and I don't think there were so much people dissapointed if there was all fine...

And now they make fun of us throwing hints on us that are so fishy.. and make even more people angry...probably somone needs to learn that if you trait your fans like that.. there will no one be left who buys the stuff BW/EA are producing...

I'm normaly a really calm person and I have a lot of faith in the good of people.. but somhow I'm starting to get really pissed cause of some comments of BW personal...


Now that I would pay to see.

Otherwise, I completely agree with your ending [b]post 
(EDIT: obviously got endings on my mind!). Whoever taught PR to BioWare needs shooting. I don't care if it's "by the book", their constant ambiguous and enigmatic double-speak is really beginning to alienate their fans. It feels more and more like they don't realise how confusing and annoying they're being.

Regardless of all the ' we stand as a team' talk, I still have a nagging feeling that some sort of large rift has occurred between these two companies. And as I said many pages ago, I know nothing about these two companies. But still ......


You know, I'm starting to wonder if there is actually a rift between some of the BW writers.


Probably there is.. I don't know if they were all satisfied with what they did there.. and most irritating is.. that 99% of the game are really well written.. and the last 10 minutes are so bad.. and so non fitting.. like somone took the original team, fired it and took somone totaly else to make the ending...

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Sammuthegreat wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

http://t2.gstatic.co...e_jSD_J7kSbVlWR

proof harbinger just wanted to get laid


Where.  Did.  You.  Get.  That?


Dude, they're boobs. You can't buy them at your local store.


I was refering to the picture.  Get your minds out of the... OK, get your minds a LITTLE bit out of the gutter.

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Dwailing wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Falloutwarfare wrote...

http://t2.gstatic.co...e_jSD_J7kSbVlWR

proof harbinger just wanted to get laid


Where.  Did.  You.  Get.  That?


Dude, they're boobs. You can't buy them at your local store.


I was refering to the picture.  Get your minds out of the... OK, get your minds a LITTLE bit out of the gutter.


But it's so warm and safe there...

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Vahilor wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Vahilor wrote...
Somhow I get the impression BW is playing with us or trying to make fools out of us... Why the hell do they pick such an entry.. a lot of people even did not read take as major point in the endings ? I really only can shake my head.. and if sombody again of them starts to talk about that "artistic integrity" I'll vomit right into their face[/b]...

It is really sad that there is no BW-Person that admits they made real sh... with the endings (even when it is IT, they still faild to deliver the message.. cause if not there were not that outrage). Allways this "I totaly stand behind our team".. it's ok to stand with the team really, but a good team would also admit if they made somthing wrong.. and I don't think there were so much people dissapointed if there was all fine...

And now they make fun of us throwing hints on us that are so fishy.. and make even more people angry...probably somone needs to learn that if you trait your fans like that.. there will no one be left who buys the stuff BW/EA are producing...

I'm normaly a really calm person and I have a lot of faith in the good of people.. but somhow I'm starting to get really pissed cause of some comments of BW personal...


Now that I would pay to see.

Otherwise, I completely agree with your ending [b]post 
(EDIT: obviously got endings on my mind!). Whoever taught PR to BioWare needs shooting. I don't care if it's "by the book", their constant ambiguous and enigmatic double-speak is really beginning to alienate their fans. It feels more and more like they don't realise how confusing and annoying they're being.

Regardless of all the ' we stand as a team' talk, I still have a nagging feeling that some sort of large rift has occurred between these two companies. And as I said many pages ago, I know nothing about these two companies. But still ......


You know, I'm starting to wonder if there is actually a rift between some of the BW writers.


Probably there is.. I don't know if they were all satisfied with what they did there.. and most irritating is.. that 99% of the game are really well written.. and the last 10 minutes are so bad.. and so non fitting.. like somone took the original team, fired it and took somone totaly else to make the ending...


Yeah.  In all honesty, I could deal with the endings if it wasn't for Star-Brat.  The TIM/Anderson/Shepard scene was fine, mysterious control device aside.  I could have dealt with that.  But the Star-Brat.... he ruined everything.

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Dwailing wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Vahilor wrote...
Somhow I get the impression BW is playing with us or trying to make fools out of us... Why the hell do they pick such an entry.. a lot of people even did not read take as major point in the endings ? I really only can shake my head.. and if sombody again of them starts to talk about that "artistic integrity" I'll vomit right into their face[/b]...

It is really sad that there is no BW-Person that admits they made real sh... with the endings (even when it is IT, they still faild to deliver the message.. cause if not there were not that outrage). Allways this "I totaly stand behind our team".. it's ok to stand with the team really, but a good team would also admit if they made somthing wrong.. and I don't think there were so much people dissapointed if there was all fine...

And now they make fun of us throwing hints on us that are so fishy.. and make even more people angry...probably somone needs to learn that if you trait your fans like that.. there will no one be left who buys the stuff BW/EA are producing...

I'm normaly a really calm person and I have a lot of faith in the good of people.. but somhow I'm starting to get really pissed cause of some comments of BW personal...


Now that I would pay to see.

Otherwise, I completely agree with your ending [b]post 
(EDIT: obviously got endings on my mind!). Whoever taught PR to BioWare needs shooting. I don't care if it's "by the book", their constant ambiguous and enigmatic double-speak is really beginning to alienate their fans. It feels more and more like they don't realise how confusing and annoying they're being.

Regardless of all the ' we stand as a team' talk, I still have a nagging feeling that some sort of large rift has occurred between these two companies. And as I said many pages ago, I know nothing about these two companies. But still ......


You know, I'm starting to wonder if there is actually a rift between some of the BW writers.

The more I see that ending the more it feels like someone walked into the room and said, " HEY, we gotta GO. Slap an ending on this thing and lets GO, GO, GO."  and then the writers said, " O.K. you want a quick ending? Here ya go. And F you very much."

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Big G13 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Vahilor wrote...
Somhow I get the impression BW is playing with us or trying to make fools out of us... Why the hell do they pick such an entry.. a lot of people even did not read take as major point in the endings ? I really only can shake my head.. and if sombody again of them starts to talk about that "artistic integrity" I'll vomit right into their face[/b]...

It is really sad that there is no BW-Person that admits they made real sh... with the endings (even when it is IT, they still faild to deliver the message.. cause if not there were not that outrage). Allways this "I totaly stand behind our team".. it's ok to stand with the team really, but a good team would also admit if they made somthing wrong.. and I don't think there were so much people dissapointed if there was all fine...

And now they make fun of us throwing hints on us that are so fishy.. and make even more people angry...probably somone needs to learn that if you trait your fans like that.. there will no one be left who buys the stuff BW/EA are producing...

I'm normaly a really calm person and I have a lot of faith in the good of people.. but somhow I'm starting to get really pissed cause of some comments of BW personal...


Now that I would pay to see.

Otherwise, I completely agree with your ending [b]post 
(EDIT: obviously got endings on my mind!). Whoever taught PR to BioWare needs shooting. I don't care if it's "by the book", their constant ambiguous and enigmatic double-speak is really beginning to alienate their fans. It feels more and more like they don't realise how confusing and annoying they're being.

Regardless of all the ' we stand as a team' talk, I still have a nagging feeling that some sort of large rift has occurred between these two companies. And as I said many pages ago, I know nothing about these two companies. But still ......


You know, I'm starting to wonder if there is actually a rift between some of the BW writers.

The more I see that ending the more it feels like someone walked into the room and said, " HEY, we gotta GO. Slap an ending on this thing and lets GO, GO, GO."  and then the writers said, " O.K. you want a quick ending? Here ya go. And F you very much."


Of course, if they had done that, then they could have slipped in the clues for IT anyway and everything would be fine... as long as they release an extended ending DLC, like, oh, I don't know, the extended cut they are doing right now.

Edit: Also, I love your quote Big G13.

Modifié par Dwailing, 10 avril 2012 - 03:18 .


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Dwailing wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Vahilor wrote...
Somhow I get the impression BW is playing with us or trying to make fools out of us... Why the hell do they pick such an entry.. a lot of people even did not read take as major point in the endings ? I really only can shake my head.. and if sombody again of them starts to talk about that "artistic integrity" I'll vomit right into their face[/b]...

It is really sad that there is no BW-Person that admits they made real sh... with the endings (even when it is IT, they still faild to deliver the message.. cause if not there were not that outrage). Allways this "I totaly stand behind our team".. it's ok to stand with the team really, but a good team would also admit if they made somthing wrong.. and I don't think there were so much people dissapointed if there was all fine...

And now they make fun of us throwing hints on us that are so fishy.. and make even more people angry...probably somone needs to learn that if you trait your fans like that.. there will no one be left who buys the stuff BW/EA are producing...

I'm normaly a really calm person and I have a lot of faith in the good of people.. but somhow I'm starting to get really pissed cause of some comments of BW personal...


Now that I would pay to see.

Otherwise, I completely agree with your ending [b]post 
(EDIT: obviously got endings on my mind!). Whoever taught PR to BioWare needs shooting. I don't care if it's "by the book", their constant ambiguous and enigmatic double-speak is really beginning to alienate their fans. It feels more and more like they don't realise how confusing and annoying they're being.

Regardless of all the ' we stand as a team' talk, I still have a nagging feeling that some sort of large rift has occurred between these two companies. And as I said many pages ago, I know nothing about these two companies. But still ......


You know, I'm starting to wonder if there is actually a rift between some of the BW writers.

The more I see that ending the more it feels like someone walked into the room and said, " HEY, we gotta GO. Slap an ending on this thing and lets GO, GO, GO."  and then the writers said, " O.K. you want a quick ending? Here ya go. And F you very much."


Of course, if they had done that, then they could have slipped in the clues for IT anyway and everything would be fine... as long as they release an extended ending DLC, like, oh, I don't know, the extended cut they are doing right now.

YES. and this time the afore mentioned "someone" will stay out of the room.
    EDIT: Thanks. Profanity is my medium.

Modifié par Big G13, 10 avril 2012 - 03:23 .


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Nauks wrote...

https://twitter.com/...420195968847873

Reckon this is just to throw us off? I've seen people in here talk about Bioware possibly trying to avoid "being beaten to the punch" in showing us their final indoctrination reveal, or at least downplay it so we dismiss it enough until then, for it to have more of an impact.

She does say "presumed" after all, and again, this codec entry is way obscure and even if enough people have heard about it, will wright it off as mental instability or indoctrination anyway.



I've got to say, I'm not sure what to make of her tweet. On the one hand, it may be just to keep debate alive. But then how I can say that about this particular tweet and not all the others she has made in apparent support of IT? Mmmm . . . <_<

Plus, the GodChild being a being of light just . . . it doesn't make any sense to me. According to the codex, the beings of light were "supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic `machine devils.'" So that means that the Reapers were either already around, or the beings of light were made at the same time as the Reapers. This begs the question, "Who created them?"

And this contradicts what the GodChild said. He said he created the Reapers. So then . . . the beings of light created themselves to protect organic life from the synthetic `machine devils' that they themselves created?

WHAT? :blink:

Even if you point to the phrase "supposedly created at the dawn of time," it still makes no sense! 
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GAH! :pinched:

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@Kayzee, Hoooo Dude, mind = BLOWN

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 ::snort:: And then, of course, Jessica Merizan comes out with this tweet:
twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/189421239788519425 
I love you, lady, but GOD, do you play with my heart strings! :lol:

Edit: fixed link

Modifié par Kyzee, 10 avril 2012 - 03:35 .


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Kyzee wrote...

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And this contradicts what the GodChild said. He said he created the Reapers. So then . . . the beings of light created themselves to protect organic life from the synthetic `machine devils' that they themselves created?

WHAT? :blink:


Well, maybe they try to find out how much nonsense the fanbase can actually take before someone walks up to their office and slaps all writers with a large trout ...

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@kyzee so the beings of light were created to protect us from "devil machines" AKA reapers?

I gotta say if thats the lore then the being of light are doing one craptastic job of stopping said reapers.

bioware confuses me

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Red herring, I think...

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balance5050 wrote...

Red herring, I think...


Yeah, right. Definitely red herring (instead of trout ;)).

Modifié par schneeland, 10 avril 2012 - 03:31 .


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Kyzee wrote...

 ::snort:: And then, of course, Jessica Merizan comes out with this tweet: http://twitter.com/#...421239788519425

I love you, lady, but GOD, do you play with my heart strings! :lol:


They have, in several Tweets, pretty much confirmed that StarBrat is lying through his teeth. Whether that points to Indoctrination Theory is unclear, but it definitely points to all not being as it seems with the endings.

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Falloutwarfare wrote...

@kyzee so the beings of light were created to protect us from "devil machines" AKA reapers?

I gotta say if thats the lore then the being of light are doing one craptastic job of stopping said reapers.

bioware confuses me


No, the lore is that this was all in the "visions" of an "eccentric" Volus, and the reason that in ME3 it says "they don't seem so far fetched" is because everyone assumes that he was referring to Prothean A.I.s. This is just showing that Jessica is basically just a fan for the most part and really doesn't know exactly what the E.C. will contain. But I also beleived she gave them a lot of feedback on I.T. just cause she seems to be a huge fan of it.

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Ahhhh this women makes me .. argh.. probably I should take my sword and slap the writers with it...

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I have to say, I give you guys props for believing in something so strongly. I was a believer, but lost faith as soon as the "Extended Cut" was announced...

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Starchildren love a bit of this on a Saturday afternoon

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I'm convinced BioWare at this point is just avoiding the IT at all costs because it's been out and around the internet and it's VERY popular now.

They've been very open with the literal ending and how it makes sense, but yet they said they weren't going to talk about the Extended Cut in further detail because they wanted it to speak for itself.

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schneeland wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Red herring, I think...


Yeah, right. Definitely red herring (instead of trout ;)).


Well, yeah, you could see it that way. But as I said, the problem with that it is, how can you point to this tweet being a red herring, but not do the same to all the tweets in support of IT?

For clarity (before any hate comes my way), I still support IT. I am just being a logic based lifeform who sees the world as a series of 1s and 0s. And a lawyer-spawn who loves debate. :lol: Sorry!

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Who's Starchild?Posted Image

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Tven0 wrote...

Starchildren love a bit of this on a Saturday afternoon

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OH GAWD! IT BURNS!!

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Kyzee wrote...

schneeland wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Red herring, I think...


Yeah, right. Definitely red herring (instead of trout ;)).


Well, yeah, you could see it that way. But as I said, the problem with that it is, how can you point to this tweet being a red herring, but not do the same to all the tweets in support of IT?

For clarity (before any hate comes my way), I still support IT. I am just being a logic based lifeform who sees the world as a series of 1s and 0s. And a lawyer-spawn who loves debate. :lol: Sorry!


Well, at this time, I'd say, we cannot take anything she states as supporting pieces of evidence for IT, at least not without a grain of salt. So we're basically left with the in-game and meta-gaming evidence we have (which is not that bad, after all).

By the way: did anyone start the comprehensive writeup yet?